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== DAQ PC Configurations ==
== DAQ PC Configurations ==
=== Buying from newegg.ca ===
* select "shipped by newegg"
* select "ship from country: Canada"


=== Standard components ===
=== Standard components ===
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Power supply requirements:
Power supply requirements:
* 120mm cooling fan (longer life, better air flow vs small fans)
* 120mm cooling fan (longer life, better air flow vs small fans)
* ActivePFC (no 110/220V switch, high power factor required for use with UPSes)
* ActivePFC (no 110/220V switch, high power factor is required for use with UPSes)
* 4 or more SATA power connectors
* 4 or more SATA power connectors


* high power: Antec Neo Eco 450C 450W http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1210
==== SSD ====
* high power: Antec EA-430 Green http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=69575&vpn=EA-430%20Green&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1305
 
* low power: Seasonic SS-350ET 350W http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=75778&vpn=SS-350ET-1YR&manufacture=Seasonic%20Electronics and http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=30144&vpn=SS-350ET&manufacture=Seasonic%20Electronics
* M.2 PCIe SSD not recommended, if there is a glitch, PCIe bus hangs, computer stops without error messages, impossible to debug. also not clear how to recover data from this type of SSD if mobo dies.
* SATA: WD blue 250GB, 500GB, 1TB, 2TB
* M.2 SATA: WD blue
* (obsolete) SATA: Kingston V200, V200+, V300 - 60GB, 120GB
* (obsolete) M.2: (proposed) Kingston SSDNow M.2 2280 120GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104482
 
=== Version 2022-Dec AMD DDR5 PC ===
 
(still current as of 2023-Sep, 2024-Jan, 2024-May)
 
Notes:
* use 65W CPU for normal air cooled box
** 100W CPU could be air cooled, with difficulties
** above 100W CPU must be water cooled
* use B650/X670 chipset, avoid mobo with small chipset cooling fan (sometimes they hide it)
* count available PCIe slots:
** often only 1 x16 slot wired for pcie x16
** often 2 x16-size slots wired for 1x16 or 2x8 (if both are in use)
** often additional x16 slot is wired for x4
** x1 slots can be used for ethernet or video card
* standard DDR5 DRAM includes on-chip ECC and is called "non-ECC RAM"
* DDR5 ECC DRAM memory has additional lanes for on-CPU ECC. CPU and mobo must say "ECC supported", i.e. AMD 7700X and Supermicro mobo
* how to select DDR5 modules:
* choose speed supported by CPU:
** https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7700 says DDR5-5200, yes ECC
** https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-7-7700x.html says DDR5-5200, yes ECC
** https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/8000-series/amd-ryzen-7-8700g.html says DDR5-5200, no ECC
* choose minimum voltage and CAS latency, i.e.
* typical 1.1V DDR5-5200 has CAS40
* typical 1.25V DDR5-5200 has CAS36
* typical 1.30V is DDR5-6000
* typical 1.35V is DDR5-5600 and 6000
* typical 1.4V is DDR5-6000
* chosen GSKill DDR5 modules are DDR5-5600 CAS36 1.25V actually run at 1.1V
* WD Blue SA510 series SSDs are not as good as previous WD Blue series: always report 0 power-on hours, on busy machines (dsdaqgw) seem to be actually wearing out. We should try the WD Red series.
 
Notes:
* for add-on 10gige NIC, use Intel X710-DA2 or Intel X710-BM2 (I struggle to find the differences between the two part numbers)
 
Parts list:
* $450 AMD 7700 8-Core 3.8/5.3 GHz 65W DDR5-5200 https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-7700/p/N82E16819113786?Item=N82E16819113786
* $300->$250 ASUS Prime B650-PLUS (PCIe x16,x4,x1,x1) https://www.newegg.ca/asus-prime-b650-plus/p/N82E16813119607?Item=N82E16813119607
* $400->$190 2x32GB,DDR5-5200,36-36-36-83,1.25V (actual 1.1V) https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-64gb/p/N82E16820374440?Item=N82E16820374440
* $65 500W P.S. https://www.newegg.ca/thermaltake-smart-500w-ps-spd-0500npcwus-w/p/N82E16817153233?Item=N82E16817153233
* $90 2x WD Blue 250GB SA5 SSD https://www.newegg.ca/western-digital-250gb-blue-sa510/p/N82E16820250227
* large case compatible with water cooling https://www.newegg.ca/black-antec-performance-series-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811129242?Item=N82E16811129242
 
=== Version 2022-Aug AMD reduced cost PC ===
 
Differences from "big PC":
* cheapest 5000-series "G" CPU
* non-ECC memory
* small size motherboard
 
Notes:
* use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
* use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
* use 1.2V DDR4 SDRAM. current size is 2x 32GB (dual-channel memory)
 
Parts:
* $250 https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-5-5600g-ryzen-5-5000-g-series/p/N82E16819113683
* $300 https://www.newegg.ca/team-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331582?Item=N82E16820331582
* $210 https://www.newegg.ca/asus-tuf-gaming-b550m-plus-wifi-ii/p/N82E16813119569?Item=N82E16813119569
* 2x$55 https://www.newegg.ca/western-digital-250gb-blue-sa510/p/N82E16820250227?Item=N82E16820250227
* $70 https://www.newegg.ca/rosewill-arc-series-arc-550-continuous-550w-40-degree-c/p/N82E16817182297?Item=N82E16817182297
* $0 chassis (reuse existing)
* total: 250+300+210+2*55+70 = 940
 
=== Version 2021-Sep AMD big PC ===
 
* use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
* use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
 
* https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-ryzen-7-5000-g-series/p/N82E16819113682
* https://www.newegg.ca/asus-rog-strix-b550-xe-gaming-wifi/p/N82E16813119363
* https://www.newegg.ca/p/1X5-003Z-018J2
* https://www.newegg.ca/western-digital-blue-250gb/p/N82E16820250086
* https://www.newegg.ca/antec-vp-plus-series-vp550-plus-550w/p/N82E16817371113?Item=N82E16817371113
 
* AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-Core Processor with graphics
* mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING
* 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
* ECC memory is recommended, NEMIX RAM always available on newegg.ca
* dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04, install on ZFS)
* dual HDDs as needed
 
=== Version 2021-Jan AMD big PC ===
 
* AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor
* mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING
* 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
* ECC memory is recommended, but availability and price not clear
* dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04)
* dual HDDs as needed
 
=== Version 2019-July-05 Reduced Cost PC ===
 
Purchased for MUSR DAQ refresh. $900 per machine.
 
* mobo: ASUS TUF Z390M-Pro
* CPU: Intel i5-9400 2.9GHz 65W
* RAM: DDR4-3200
* P.S.: Thermaltake 500W
* Case: Antec VSK3000 Elite MicroATX minitower
 
=== Version 2018-June-29 Intel Socket 1151 ===
 
Recently bought three new DAQ computers from ELCO, with following MOBO and CPU


==== SSD ====
* MOBO: ASUS TUF Z370 Plus Gaming LGA 1151 ATX
* CPU: Intel Core i7-8700 LGA1151 (3.20GHz, L3:12M, Hex Core, TDP: 65W)
* RAM: DDR4-2667
 
Full quote available [https://www.triumf.info/wiki/DAQwiki/index.php/Image:Quote_3078.pdf here].
 
=== Version ??? Intel Socket 1151 ===
 
* Mobo: Z270
* Mobo: Z170
* RAM: DDR4


* Kingston V200, V200+, V300 - 60GB, 120GB
=== Version 2017-01-17 Reduced Cost PC ===


==== Obsolete items ====
$700 per machine


* 3pin/molex ball bearing 120mm fan (no PWM): http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=18432&vpn=PRO%20120MM%20DBB&manufacture=Antec
* CPU: Intel i3-7100 CPU @ 3.90GHz
* Mobo: ASUS H110M-A/M.2
* RAM: single 16GB DIMM DDR4-2133
* SSD: Kingston 120GB SATA M.2
* P.S.: Thermaltake TR2 500W
* Chassis: Antec VSK3000E-U3 minitower


=== Version 2015-NOV-17 Intel Socket 1151 (proposed) ===
=== Version 2015-NOV-17 Intel Socket 1151 ===


* this is the new standard DAQ PC replacing the socket 1150 DAQ PC. Improvement: max of 64GB RAM (vs 32GB on Z87/Z97), max 2 monitors (vs 3 on Z87/Z97)
* this is the new standard DAQ PC replacing the socket 1150 DAQ PC. Improvement: max of 64GB RAM (vs 32GB on Z87/Z97), max 2 monitors (vs 3 on Z87/Z97)
* price: $xxx + RAM ($300 for 32GB) + SSD ($75 for 120GB) + storage ($xxx for dual mirrored 6TB) = $xxx.
* price: mobo($400) + CPU($300) + RAM ($600 for 64GB) + SSD ($75 for 120GB) + storage ($xxx for dual mirrored 6TB) = $1500 + storage.
* Mobo: ASUS Z170-DELUXE CAD$400 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132568 https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/Z170-DELUXE/
* Mobo: ASUS Z170-DELUXE CAD$400 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132568 https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/Z170-DELUXE/
* CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3M Dual-Core 3.7 GHz (supports ECC RAM) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=2MN-0004-00002 http://ark.intel.com/products/90729/Intel-Core-i3-6100-Processor-3M-Cache-3_70-GHz
* CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 6M Quad-Core 3.3 GHz (no ECC) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117562 http://ark.intel.com/products/88188/Intel-Core-i5-6600-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz
* CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 6M Quad-Core 3.3 GHz (no ECC) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117562 http://ark.intel.com/products/88188/Intel-Core-i5-6600-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz
* CPU: Intel Core i7 4GHz requires 95W of cooling, not recommended yet in the Sonata case. Also needs 3rd party cooler.
* Case1: Antec Sonata III 500: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=24294&vpn=SONATA%20III%20500&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1285
* Case1: Antec Sonata III 500: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=24294&vpn=SONATA%20III%20500&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1285
* Case2: Antec Sonata Proto (no power supply) http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=52550&vpn=SONATA%20PROTO&manufacture=Antec, add high power power supply from list above.
* Case2: Antec Sonata Proto (no power supply) http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=52550&vpn=SONATA%20PROTO&manufacture=Antec, add high power power supply from list above.
* SSD storage: use SSD from list above. (Possible to use "M.2 Socket 3 with M Key" SSD, see mobo manual)
* SSD storage: KINGSTON SM2280S3120G http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104482&cm_re=KINGSTON_SM2280S3120G-_-20-104-482-_-Product
* SSD storage: Kingston SM2280S3G2/120G M.2 2280 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=2BN-001M-00010
* Storage: 2x 6TB in fully mirrored (RAID1) configuration: (use cheapest available NAS 6TB disks, i.e. WD "red" or "purple")
* Storage: 2x 6TB in fully mirrored (RAID1) configuration: (use cheapest available NAS 6TB disks, i.e. WD "red" or "purple")
* RAM: 32GB: use cheapest kit of 2x16GB DDR4 - CAD$300 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231965
* RAM: 32GB: use cheapest kit of 2x16GB DDR4 - CAD$300 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231965
* RAM: 64GB: use cheapest kit of 4x16GB DDR4 - CAD$650 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231834
* RAM: 64GB: use cheapest kit of 4x16GB DDR4 - CAD$600 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231968
* Cooling fans: replace stock short-life-time fans with new long-life-time fans, see list above.
* Cooling fans: replace stock short-life-time fans with new long-life-time fans, see list above.
* Instructions for mounting cooling fans: remove stock short-life-time fans, mount replacement fans for air flow from back to front of the case: 1 rear case fan, 1 front mounted fan blowing on the hard drives. Remove front air filter, duct-tape shut all rear, side and bottom air holes - air flow should be: rear fan pushes air into computer, front fan pushes air into hard disk enclosure, out of computer through the front of the case where the air filter used to be.
* Instructions for mounting cooling fans: remove stock short-life-time fans, mount replacement fans for air flow from back to front of the case: 1 rear case fan, 1 front mounted fan blowing on the hard drives. Remove front air filter, duct-tape shut all rear, side and bottom air holes - air flow should be: rear fan pushes air into computer, front fan pushes air into hard disk enclosure, out of computer through the front of the case where the air filter used to be.

Latest revision as of 08:53, 14 May 2024

DAQ PC Configurations

Buying from newegg.ca

  • select "shipped by newegg"
  • select "ship from country: Canada"

Standard components

Fans

Power supplies

Power supply requirements:

  • 120mm cooling fan (longer life, better air flow vs small fans)
  • ActivePFC (no 110/220V switch, high power factor is required for use with UPSes)
  • 4 or more SATA power connectors

SSD

  • M.2 PCIe SSD not recommended, if there is a glitch, PCIe bus hangs, computer stops without error messages, impossible to debug. also not clear how to recover data from this type of SSD if mobo dies.
  • SATA: WD blue 250GB, 500GB, 1TB, 2TB
  • M.2 SATA: WD blue
  • (obsolete) SATA: Kingston V200, V200+, V300 - 60GB, 120GB
  • (obsolete) M.2: (proposed) Kingston SSDNow M.2 2280 120GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104482

Version 2022-Dec AMD DDR5 PC

(still current as of 2023-Sep, 2024-Jan, 2024-May)

Notes:

  • use 65W CPU for normal air cooled box
    • 100W CPU could be air cooled, with difficulties
    • above 100W CPU must be water cooled
  • use B650/X670 chipset, avoid mobo with small chipset cooling fan (sometimes they hide it)
  • count available PCIe slots:
    • often only 1 x16 slot wired for pcie x16
    • often 2 x16-size slots wired for 1x16 or 2x8 (if both are in use)
    • often additional x16 slot is wired for x4
    • x1 slots can be used for ethernet or video card
  • standard DDR5 DRAM includes on-chip ECC and is called "non-ECC RAM"
  • DDR5 ECC DRAM memory has additional lanes for on-CPU ECC. CPU and mobo must say "ECC supported", i.e. AMD 7700X and Supermicro mobo
  • how to select DDR5 modules:
  • choose speed supported by CPU:
  • choose minimum voltage and CAS latency, i.e.
  • typical 1.1V DDR5-5200 has CAS40
  • typical 1.25V DDR5-5200 has CAS36
  • typical 1.30V is DDR5-6000
  • typical 1.35V is DDR5-5600 and 6000
  • typical 1.4V is DDR5-6000
  • chosen GSKill DDR5 modules are DDR5-5600 CAS36 1.25V actually run at 1.1V
  • WD Blue SA510 series SSDs are not as good as previous WD Blue series: always report 0 power-on hours, on busy machines (dsdaqgw) seem to be actually wearing out. We should try the WD Red series.

Notes:

  • for add-on 10gige NIC, use Intel X710-DA2 or Intel X710-BM2 (I struggle to find the differences between the two part numbers)

Parts list:

Version 2022-Aug AMD reduced cost PC

Differences from "big PC":

  • cheapest 5000-series "G" CPU
  • non-ECC memory
  • small size motherboard

Notes:

  • use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
  • use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
  • use 1.2V DDR4 SDRAM. current size is 2x 32GB (dual-channel memory)

Parts:

Version 2021-Sep AMD big PC

  • use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
  • use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
  • AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-Core Processor with graphics
  • mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING
  • 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
  • ECC memory is recommended, NEMIX RAM always available on newegg.ca
  • dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04, install on ZFS)
  • dual HDDs as needed

Version 2021-Jan AMD big PC

  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor
  • mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING
  • 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
  • ECC memory is recommended, but availability and price not clear
  • dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04)
  • dual HDDs as needed

Version 2019-July-05 Reduced Cost PC

Purchased for MUSR DAQ refresh. $900 per machine.

  • mobo: ASUS TUF Z390M-Pro
  • CPU: Intel i5-9400 2.9GHz 65W
  • RAM: DDR4-3200
  • P.S.: Thermaltake 500W
  • Case: Antec VSK3000 Elite MicroATX minitower

Version 2018-June-29 Intel Socket 1151

Recently bought three new DAQ computers from ELCO, with following MOBO and CPU

  • MOBO: ASUS TUF Z370 Plus Gaming LGA 1151 ATX
  • CPU: Intel Core i7-8700 LGA1151 (3.20GHz, L3:12M, Hex Core, TDP: 65W)
  • RAM: DDR4-2667

Full quote available here.

Version ??? Intel Socket 1151

  • Mobo: Z270
  • Mobo: Z170
  • RAM: DDR4

Version 2017-01-17 Reduced Cost PC

$700 per machine

  • CPU: Intel i3-7100 CPU @ 3.90GHz
  • Mobo: ASUS H110M-A/M.2
  • RAM: single 16GB DIMM DDR4-2133
  • SSD: Kingston 120GB SATA M.2
  • P.S.: Thermaltake TR2 500W
  • Chassis: Antec VSK3000E-U3 minitower

Version 2015-NOV-17 Intel Socket 1151

Version 2014-DEC-8 Intel Socket 1150

Version 2014-May-07 Reduced cost PC

Version 2014-MAY-8 Intel Socket 1150

Version 2014-MAY-8 Intel Socket 2011

Version 2012-OCT-4 AMD-E450 reduced cost PC (PRELIMINARY)

Version 2011-SEP-05 AMD-E350 reduced cost PC

Version 2011-OCT-31 Intel Socket 1366

Version 2011-FEB-08 Intel Socket 1366

Version 2010-May-13 Intel Socket 1156

Version X Intel Socket 775

  • mobo: ASUS P5B-VM
  • CPU: Intel dual core 2.4 GHz
  • RAM: DDR2-800
  • SATA disks

Version X AMD AM2/AM3

  • mobo: ASUS Crosshair and Crosshair II
  • CPU: assorted multicore socket AM2/AM3 CPU
  • RAM: DDR2-800

Version X AMD Socket 939

  • mobo: ASUS A8N-E
  • CPU: AMD assorted socket 939 1-2 core CPUs
  • RAM: DDR400 UDIMMs up to 4x1GB=4GB total
  • up to 4x SATA disks

Version X AMD Dual Socket 940

  • mobo: assorted supermicro, asus, msi
  • CPU: AMD Opteron Socket 940 assorted speed grades
  • RAM: registered and registered+ECC DDR400

Version X AMD Dual Socket A

  • mobo: ASUS A7M266-D
  • CPU: dual Athlon-MP 1.8-2.2 GHz
  • RAM: DDR266

Version X Intel Dual Pentium3

  • mobo: ASUS CUV4X-D
  • CPU: dual Pentium3 1GHz
  • RAM: SDR133

Version X Intel Dual Pentium2 ISA

  • mobo: ASUS P2B-D
  • CPU: dual slot Pentium2 400-800 MHz
  • RAM: SDR100, SDR133
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