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== DAQ PC Configurations ==
== DAQ PC Configurations ==
=== Buying from newegg.ca ===
* select "shipped by newegg"
* select "ship from country: Canada"


=== Standard components ===
=== Standard components ===
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Power supply requirements:
Power supply requirements:
* 120mm cooling fan (longer life, better air flow vs small fans)
* 120mm cooling fan (longer life, better air flow vs small fans)
* ActivePFC (no 110/220V switch, high power factor required for use with UPSes)
* ActivePFC (no 110/220V switch, high power factor is required for use with UPSes)
* 4 or more SATA power connectors
* 4 or more SATA power connectors
* high power: Antec Neo Eco 450C 450W http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1210
* high power: Antec EA-430 Green http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=69575&vpn=EA-430%20Green&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1305
* low power: Seasonic SS-350ET 350W http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=75778&vpn=SS-350ET-1YR&manufacture=Seasonic%20Electronics and http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=30144&vpn=SS-350ET&manufacture=Seasonic%20Electronics


==== SSD ====
==== SSD ====
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* (obsolete) SATA: Kingston V200, V200+, V300 - 60GB, 120GB
* (obsolete) SATA: Kingston V200, V200+, V300 - 60GB, 120GB
* (obsolete) M.2: (proposed) Kingston SSDNow M.2 2280 120GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104482
* (obsolete) M.2: (proposed) Kingston SSDNow M.2 2280 120GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104482
=== Version 2022-Dec AMD DDR5 PC ===
(still current as of 2023-Sep, 2024-Jan, 2024-May)
Notes:
* use 65W CPU for normal air cooled box
** 100W CPU could be air cooled, with difficulties
** above 100W CPU must be water cooled
* use B650/X670 chipset, avoid mobo with small chipset cooling fan (sometimes they hide it)
* count available PCIe slots:
** often only 1 x16 slot wired for pcie x16
** often 2 x16-size slots wired for 1x16 or 2x8 (if both are in use)
** often additional x16 slot is wired for x4
** x1 slots can be used for ethernet or video card
* standard DDR5 DRAM includes on-chip ECC and is called "non-ECC RAM"
* DDR5 ECC DRAM memory has additional lanes for on-CPU ECC. CPU and mobo must say "ECC supported", i.e. AMD 7700X and Supermicro mobo
* how to select DDR5 modules:
* choose speed supported by CPU:
** https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7700 says DDR5-5200, yes ECC
** https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-7-7700x.html says DDR5-5200, yes ECC
** https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/8000-series/amd-ryzen-7-8700g.html says DDR5-5200, no ECC
* choose minimum voltage and CAS latency, i.e.
* typical 1.1V DDR5-5200 has CAS40
* typical 1.25V DDR5-5200 has CAS36
* typical 1.30V is DDR5-6000
* typical 1.35V is DDR5-5600 and 6000
* typical 1.4V is DDR5-6000
* chosen GSKill DDR5 modules are DDR5-5600 CAS36 1.25V actually run at 1.1V
* WD Blue SA510 series SSDs are not as good as previous WD Blue series: always report 0 power-on hours, on busy machines (dsdaqgw) seem to be actually wearing out. We should try the WD Red series.
Notes:
* for add-on 10gige NIC, use Intel X710-DA2 or Intel X710-BM2 (I struggle to find the differences between the two part numbers)
Parts list:
* $450 AMD 7700 8-Core 3.8/5.3 GHz 65W DDR5-5200 https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-7700/p/N82E16819113786?Item=N82E16819113786
* $300->$250 ASUS Prime B650-PLUS (PCIe x16,x4,x1,x1) https://www.newegg.ca/asus-prime-b650-plus/p/N82E16813119607?Item=N82E16813119607
* $400->$190 2x32GB,DDR5-5200,36-36-36-83,1.25V (actual 1.1V) https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-64gb/p/N82E16820374440?Item=N82E16820374440
* $65 500W P.S. https://www.newegg.ca/thermaltake-smart-500w-ps-spd-0500npcwus-w/p/N82E16817153233?Item=N82E16817153233
* $90 2x WD Blue 250GB SA5 SSD https://www.newegg.ca/western-digital-250gb-blue-sa510/p/N82E16820250227
* large case compatible with water cooling https://www.newegg.ca/black-antec-performance-series-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811129242?Item=N82E16811129242


=== Version 2022-Aug AMD reduced cost PC ===
=== Version 2022-Aug AMD reduced cost PC ===


(in progress)
Differences from "big PC":
* cheapest 5000-series "G" CPU
* non-ECC memory
* small size motherboard


Notes:
* use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
* use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
* use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
* use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
* use 1.2V DDR4 SDRAM. current size is 2x 32GB (dual-channel memory)


* https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-ryzen-7-5000-g-series/p/N82E16819113682
Parts:
* https://www.newegg.ca/asus-rog-strix-b550-xe-gaming-wifi/p/N82E16813119363
* $250 https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-5-5600g-ryzen-5-5000-g-series/p/N82E16819113683
* https://www.newegg.ca/p/1X5-003Z-018J2
* $300 https://www.newegg.ca/team-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331582?Item=N82E16820331582
* https://www.newegg.ca/western-digital-blue-250gb/p/N82E16820250086
* $210 https://www.newegg.ca/asus-tuf-gaming-b550m-plus-wifi-ii/p/N82E16813119569?Item=N82E16813119569
* https://www.newegg.ca/antec-vp-plus-series-vp550-plus-550w/p/N82E16817371113?Item=N82E16817371113
* 2x$55 https://www.newegg.ca/western-digital-250gb-blue-sa510/p/N82E16820250227?Item=N82E16820250227
 
* $70 https://www.newegg.ca/rosewill-arc-series-arc-550-continuous-550w-40-degree-c/p/N82E16817182297?Item=N82E16817182297
* AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-Core Processor with graphics
* $0 chassis (reuse existing)
* mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING
* total: 250+300+210+2*55+70 = 940
* 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
* ECC memory is recommended, NEMIX RAM always available on newegg.ca
* dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04, install on ZFS)
* dual HDDs as needed


=== Version 2021-Sep AMD big PC ===
=== Version 2021-Sep AMD big PC ===

Latest revision as of 08:53, 14 May 2024

DAQ PC Configurations

Buying from newegg.ca

  • select "shipped by newegg"
  • select "ship from country: Canada"

Standard components

Fans

Power supplies

Power supply requirements:

  • 120mm cooling fan (longer life, better air flow vs small fans)
  • ActivePFC (no 110/220V switch, high power factor is required for use with UPSes)
  • 4 or more SATA power connectors

SSD

  • M.2 PCIe SSD not recommended, if there is a glitch, PCIe bus hangs, computer stops without error messages, impossible to debug. also not clear how to recover data from this type of SSD if mobo dies.
  • SATA: WD blue 250GB, 500GB, 1TB, 2TB
  • M.2 SATA: WD blue
  • (obsolete) SATA: Kingston V200, V200+, V300 - 60GB, 120GB
  • (obsolete) M.2: (proposed) Kingston SSDNow M.2 2280 120GB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104482

Version 2022-Dec AMD DDR5 PC

(still current as of 2023-Sep, 2024-Jan, 2024-May)

Notes:

  • use 65W CPU for normal air cooled box
    • 100W CPU could be air cooled, with difficulties
    • above 100W CPU must be water cooled
  • use B650/X670 chipset, avoid mobo with small chipset cooling fan (sometimes they hide it)
  • count available PCIe slots:
    • often only 1 x16 slot wired for pcie x16
    • often 2 x16-size slots wired for 1x16 or 2x8 (if both are in use)
    • often additional x16 slot is wired for x4
    • x1 slots can be used for ethernet or video card
  • standard DDR5 DRAM includes on-chip ECC and is called "non-ECC RAM"
  • DDR5 ECC DRAM memory has additional lanes for on-CPU ECC. CPU and mobo must say "ECC supported", i.e. AMD 7700X and Supermicro mobo
  • how to select DDR5 modules:
  • choose speed supported by CPU:
  • choose minimum voltage and CAS latency, i.e.
  • typical 1.1V DDR5-5200 has CAS40
  • typical 1.25V DDR5-5200 has CAS36
  • typical 1.30V is DDR5-6000
  • typical 1.35V is DDR5-5600 and 6000
  • typical 1.4V is DDR5-6000
  • chosen GSKill DDR5 modules are DDR5-5600 CAS36 1.25V actually run at 1.1V
  • WD Blue SA510 series SSDs are not as good as previous WD Blue series: always report 0 power-on hours, on busy machines (dsdaqgw) seem to be actually wearing out. We should try the WD Red series.

Notes:

  • for add-on 10gige NIC, use Intel X710-DA2 or Intel X710-BM2 (I struggle to find the differences between the two part numbers)

Parts list:

Version 2022-Aug AMD reduced cost PC

Differences from "big PC":

  • cheapest 5000-series "G" CPU
  • non-ECC memory
  • small size motherboard

Notes:

  • use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
  • use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
  • use 1.2V DDR4 SDRAM. current size is 2x 32GB (dual-channel memory)

Parts:

Version 2021-Sep AMD big PC

  • use B550 chipset (X570 runs hot, requires short-life small cooling fan. avoid)
  • use AMD "5000X" CPUs for ECC memory support ("5000G" CPUs are missing Linux ECC drivers)
  • AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 8-Core Processor with graphics
  • mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-XE GAMING
  • 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
  • ECC memory is recommended, NEMIX RAM always available on newegg.ca
  • dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04, install on ZFS)
  • dual HDDs as needed

Version 2021-Jan AMD big PC

  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor
  • mobo ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING
  • 2x32GB DDR4-3200 RAM (64GB total with 2 empty slots to add more later)
  • ECC memory is recommended, but availability and price not clear
  • dual SATA SSD for OS (Ubuntu LTS 20.04)
  • dual HDDs as needed

Version 2019-July-05 Reduced Cost PC

Purchased for MUSR DAQ refresh. $900 per machine.

  • mobo: ASUS TUF Z390M-Pro
  • CPU: Intel i5-9400 2.9GHz 65W
  • RAM: DDR4-3200
  • P.S.: Thermaltake 500W
  • Case: Antec VSK3000 Elite MicroATX minitower

Version 2018-June-29 Intel Socket 1151

Recently bought three new DAQ computers from ELCO, with following MOBO and CPU

  • MOBO: ASUS TUF Z370 Plus Gaming LGA 1151 ATX
  • CPU: Intel Core i7-8700 LGA1151 (3.20GHz, L3:12M, Hex Core, TDP: 65W)
  • RAM: DDR4-2667

Full quote available here.

Version ??? Intel Socket 1151

  • Mobo: Z270
  • Mobo: Z170
  • RAM: DDR4

Version 2017-01-17 Reduced Cost PC

$700 per machine

  • CPU: Intel i3-7100 CPU @ 3.90GHz
  • Mobo: ASUS H110M-A/M.2
  • RAM: single 16GB DIMM DDR4-2133
  • SSD: Kingston 120GB SATA M.2
  • P.S.: Thermaltake TR2 500W
  • Chassis: Antec VSK3000E-U3 minitower

Version 2015-NOV-17 Intel Socket 1151

Version 2014-DEC-8 Intel Socket 1150

Version 2014-May-07 Reduced cost PC

Version 2014-MAY-8 Intel Socket 1150

Version 2014-MAY-8 Intel Socket 2011

Version 2012-OCT-4 AMD-E450 reduced cost PC (PRELIMINARY)

Version 2011-SEP-05 AMD-E350 reduced cost PC

Version 2011-OCT-31 Intel Socket 1366

Version 2011-FEB-08 Intel Socket 1366

Version 2010-May-13 Intel Socket 1156

Version X Intel Socket 775

  • mobo: ASUS P5B-VM
  • CPU: Intel dual core 2.4 GHz
  • RAM: DDR2-800
  • SATA disks

Version X AMD AM2/AM3

  • mobo: ASUS Crosshair and Crosshair II
  • CPU: assorted multicore socket AM2/AM3 CPU
  • RAM: DDR2-800

Version X AMD Socket 939

  • mobo: ASUS A8N-E
  • CPU: AMD assorted socket 939 1-2 core CPUs
  • RAM: DDR400 UDIMMs up to 4x1GB=4GB total
  • up to 4x SATA disks

Version X AMD Dual Socket 940

  • mobo: assorted supermicro, asus, msi
  • CPU: AMD Opteron Socket 940 assorted speed grades
  • RAM: registered and registered+ECC DDR400

Version X AMD Dual Socket A

  • mobo: ASUS A7M266-D
  • CPU: dual Athlon-MP 1.8-2.2 GHz
  • RAM: DDR266

Version X Intel Dual Pentium3

  • mobo: ASUS CUV4X-D
  • CPU: dual Pentium3 1GHz
  • RAM: SDR133

Version X Intel Dual Pentium2 ISA

  • mobo: ASUS P2B-D
  • CPU: dual slot Pentium2 400-800 MHz
  • RAM: SDR100, SDR133
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