> In MEG II we also kind of achieved this rate.
>
> Instead of an expensive high-grade switch, we chose a cheap "Chinese" high-grade switch.

Right. We built this DAQ system about 3 years ago and the cheep Chineese switches arrived
on the market about 1 year after we purchased the big 96 port juniper switch. Bad timing/good timing.

Actually I have a very nice 24-port 1gige switch ($2000 about 3 years ago), I could have
used 4 of them in parallel, but they were discontinued and replaced with a $5000 switch
(+$3000 for a 10gige uplink. I think I got the last very last one cheap switch).

But not all Chineese switches are equal. We have an Ubiquity 10gige switch, and it does
not have working end-to-end ethernet flow control. (yikes!).

BTW, for this project we could not use just any cheap switch, we must have 64 fiber SFP ports
for connecting on-TPC electronics. This narrows the market significantly and it does
not match the industry standard port counts 8-16-24-48-96.

> MikroTik CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+RM 54 port
> MikroTik CRS326-24S-2Q+RM 26 Port

We have a hard time buying this stuff in Vancouver BC, Canada. Most of our regular suppliers
are US based and there is a technology trade war still going on between the US and China.
I guess we could buy direct on alibaba, but for the risk of scammers, scalpers and iffy shipping.

> both cost in the order of 500 US$

tell one how much we overpay for US based stuff. not surprising, with how Cisco & co can afford
to buy sports arenas, etc.

> We were astonished that they don't loose UDP packets when all inputs send a packet at the 
> same time, and they have to pipe them to the single output one after the other,
> but apparently the switch have enough buffers.

You probably see ethernet flow control in action. Look at the counters for ethernet pause frames
in your daq boards and in your main computer.

> (which is usually NOT written in the data sheets).

True, when I looked into this, I found a paper by somebody in Berkley for special
technique to measure the size of such buffers.

(The big Juniper switch has only 8 Mbytes of buffer. The current wisdom for backbone networks
is to have as little buffering as possible).

> To avoid UDP packet loss for several events, we do traffic shaping by arming the trigger only when the previous event is 
> completely received by the frontend. This eliminates all flow control and other complicated methods. Marco can tell you the 
> details.

We do not do this. (very bad!). When each trigger arrives, all 64+8 DAQ boards send a train of UDP packets
at maximum line speed (64+8 at 1 gige) all funneled into one 10 gige ((64+8)/10 oversubscription).

Before we got ethernet flow control to work properly, we had to throttle all the 1gige links by about 60%
to get any complete events at all. This would not have been acceptable for physics data taking.

> Another interesting aspect: While we get the data into the frontend, we have problems in getting it through midas. Your 
> bm_send_event_sg() is maybe a good approach which we should try. To benchmark the out-of-the-box midas, I run the dummy frontend 
> attached on my MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, 4 cores, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD disk.

Dummy frontend is not very representative, because limitation is the memory bandwidth
and CPU load, and a real ethernet receiver has quite a bit of both (interrupt processing,
DMA into memory, implicit memcpy() inside the socket read()).

For example, typical memcpy() speeds are between 22 and 10 Gbytes/sec for current
generation CPUs and DRAM. This translates for a total budget of 22 and 10 memcpy()
at 10gige speeds. Subtract from this 1 memcpy() to DMA data from ethernet into memory
and 1 memcpy() to DMA data from memory to storage. Subtract from this 2 implicit
memcpy() for read() in the frontend and write() in mlogger. (the Linux sendfile() syscall
was invented to cut them out). Subtract from this 1 memcpy() for instruction and incidental
data fetch (no interesting program fits into cache). Subtract from this memory bandwidth
for running the rest of linux (systemd, ssh, cron jobs, NFS, etc). Hardly anything
left when all is said and done. (Found it, the alphagdaq memcpy() runs at 14 Gbytes/sec,
so total budget of 14 memcpy() at 10gige speeds).

And the event builder eats up 2 CPU cores to process the UDP packets at 10gige rate,
there is quite a bit of CPU-expensive data unpacking, inspection and processing
going on that cannot be cut out. (alphagdaq has 4 cores, "8 threads").

K.O.

P.S. Waiting for rack-mounted machines with AMD "X" series processors... K.O.

> ... MEG II ... 34 crates each with 32 DRS4 digitiser chips and a single 1 Gbps readout link through a Xilinx Zynq SoC.
>
> Zynq ... embedded ethernet MAC does not support jumbo frames (always read the fine prints in the manuals!)
> and the embedded Linux ethernet stack seems to struggle when we go beyond 250 Mbps of UDP traffic.

that's an ouch. we use the altera ethernet mac, and jumbo frames are supported, but the firmware data path
was originally written assuming 1500-byte packets and it is too much work to rewrite it for jumbo frames.

we send the data directly from the FPGA fabric to the ethernet, there is an avalon/axi bus multiplexer
to split the ethernet packets to the NIOS slow control CPU. not sure if such scheme is possible
for SoC FPGAs with embedded ARM CPUs.

and yes, a 1 GHz ARM CPU will not do 10gige. You see it yourself, measure your memcpy() speed. Where
typical PC will have dual-channel 128-bit wide memory (and the famous for it's low latency
Intel memory controller), ARM SoC will have at best 64-bit wide memory (some boards are only 32-bit wide!),
with DDR3 (not DDR4) severely under-clocked (i.e. DDR3-900, etc). This is why the new Apple ARM chips
are so interesting - can Apple ARM memory controller beat the Intel x86 memory controller?

> On the receiver side, we have the DAQ server with an Intel E5-2630 v4 CPU

that's the right gear for the job. quad-channel memory with nominal "Max Memory Bandwidth 68.3 GB/s",
10 CPU cores. My benchmark of memcpy() for the much older duad-channel memory i7-4820 with DDR3-1600 DIMMs
is 20 Gbytes/sec. waiting for ARM CPU with similar specs.

> and a 10 Gbit connection to the network using an Intel X710 Network card.
> In the past, we used also a "cheap" 10 Gbit card from Tehuti but the driver performance was so bad that it could not digest more than 5 Gbps of data.

yup, same here. use Intel ethernet exclusively, even for 1gige links.

> A major modification to Konstantin scheme is that we need to calibrate all WFMs online so that a software zero suppression

I implemented hardware zero suppression in the FPGA code. I think 1 GHz ARM CPU does not have the oomph for this.

> rb_get_wp() returns almost always DB_TIMEOUT

replace rb_xxx() with std::deque<std::vector<char>> (protected by a mutex, of course). lots of stuff in the mfe.c frontend
is obsolete in the same way. check out the newer tmfe frontends (tmfe.md, tmfe.h and tmfe examples).

> It is difficult to report three years of development in a single Elog

but quite successful at it. big thanks for your write-up. I think our info is quite useful for the next people.

K.O.

> mlogger (history_image) now supports rtsp cameras

my goodness, we will drive the video surveillance industry out of business.

> My suggestion / request would be to move the camera management out of 
> mlogger and into a new program (mcamera?), so that users can choose to off 
> load the CPU load to another system (I understand the OpenCV will use GPU 
> decoders if available also, which can also lighten the CPU load).

every 2 years I itch to separate mlogger into two parts - data logger
and history logger.

but then I remember that the "I" in MIDAS stands for "integrated",
and "M" stands for "maximum" and I say, "nah..."

(I guess we are not maximum integrated enough to have mhttpd, mserver
and mlogger to be one monolithic executable).

There is also a line of thinking that mlogger should remain single-threaded
for maximum reliability and ease of debugging. So if we keep adding multithreaded
stuff to it, perhaps it should be split-apart after all. (anything that makes
the size of mlogger.cxx smaller is a good thing, imo).

K.O.

I agree that those two things are problems, but I don't see why it is preferable to leave the MidasConfig.cmake in this "broken" state. For us 
problem 1 is less of an issue, becaues we run "link_directories(${MIDAS_LIBRARY_DIRS})" in the top CMakeLists.txt and then just link against "midas", 
not "${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}". However, number 2 would be nice, to not manually hack in target_include_directories(target ${MIDASSYS}/mscb/include), 
especially because ${MIDASSYS} is not set in cmake. 

I see two solutions for problem 2: Treat mscb as a submodule and compile and install it together with midas, or add the include directory to 
${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} (same applies to the other submodules, mscb is the one that made me open this elog just now)

Cheers
Lukas
 
> > find_package(Midas)
> 
> I am testing find_package(Midas). There is a number of problems:
> 
> 1) ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} is set to "midas;midas-shared;midas-c-compat;mfe".
> 
> This seem to be an incomplete list of all libraries build by midas (rmana is missing).
> 
> This means ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} should not be used for linking midas programs (unlike ${ROOT_LIBRARIES}, etc):
> 
> - we discourage use of midas shared library because it always leads to problems with shared library version mismatch (static linking is preferred)
> - midas-c-compat is for building python interfaces, not for linking midas programs
> - mfe contains a main() function, it will collide with the user main() function
> 
> So I think this should be changed to just "midas" and midas linking dependancy
> libraries (-lutil, -lrt, -lpthread) should also be added to this list.
> 
> Of course the "install(EXPORT)" method does all this automatically. (so my fixing find_package(Midas) is a waste of time)
> 
> 2) ${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} is missing the mxml, mjson, mvodb, midasio submodule directories
> 
> Again, install(EXPORT) handles all this automatically, in find_package(Midas) it has to be done by hand.
> 
> Anyhow, this is easy to add, but it does me no good in the rootana cmake if I want to build against old versions
> of midas. So in the rootana cmake, I still have to add $MIDASSYS/mvodb & co by hand. Messy.
> 
> I do not know the history of cmake and why they have two ways of doing things (find_package and install(EXPORT)),
> this second method seems to be much simpler, everything is exported automatically into one file,
> and it is much easier to use (include the export file and say target_link_libraries(rootana PUBLIC midas)).
> 
> So how much time should I spend in fixing find_package(Midas) to make it generally usable?
> 
> - include path is incomplete
> - library list is nonsense
> - compiler flags are not exported (we do not need -DOS_LINUX, but we do need -DHAVE_ZLIB, etc)
> - dependency libraries are not exported (-lz, -lutil, -lrt, -lpthread, etc)
> 
> K.O.

> I agree that those two things are problems, but I don't see why it is preferable to leave the MidasConfig.cmake in this "broken" state. For us 
> problem 1 is less of an issue, becaues we run "link_directories(${MIDAS_LIBRARY_DIRS})" in the top CMakeLists.txt and then just link against "midas", 
> not "${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}". However, number 2 would be nice, to not manually hack in target_include_directories(target ${MIDASSYS}/mscb/include), 
> especially because ${MIDASSYS} is not set in cmake.

So you say "nuke ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}" and "fix ${MIDAS_INCLUDE}". Ok.

Problem still remains with required auxiliary libraries for linking "-lmidas". Sometimes you
need "-lutil" and "-lrt" and "-lpthread", sometimes not. Some way to pass this information
automatically would be nice.

Problem still remains that I cannot do these changes because I have no test harness
for any of this. Would be great if you could contribute this and post the documentation
blurb that we can paste into the midas wiki documentation.

And I still do not understand why we have to do all this work when cmake "import(EXPORT)"
already does all of this automatically. What am I missing?

K.O.

> 
> I see two solutions for problem 2: Treat mscb as a submodule and compile and install it together with midas, or add the include directory to 
> ${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} (same applies to the other submodules, mscb is the one that made me open this elog just now)
> 
> Cheers
> Lukas
>  
> > > find_package(Midas)
> > 
> > I am testing find_package(Midas). There is a number of problems:
> > 
> > 1) ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} is set to "midas;midas-shared;midas-c-compat;mfe".
> > 
> > This seem to be an incomplete list of all libraries build by midas (rmana is missing).
> > 
> > This means ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} should not be used for linking midas programs (unlike ${ROOT_LIBRARIES}, etc):
> > 
> > - we discourage use of midas shared library because it always leads to problems with shared library version mismatch (static linking is preferred)
> > - midas-c-compat is for building python interfaces, not for linking midas programs
> > - mfe contains a main() function, it will collide with the user main() function
> > 
> > So I think this should be changed to just "midas" and midas linking dependancy
> > libraries (-lutil, -lrt, -lpthread) should also be added to this list.
> > 
> > Of course the "install(EXPORT)" method does all this automatically. (so my fixing find_package(Midas) is a waste of time)
> > 
> > 2) ${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} is missing the mxml, mjson, mvodb, midasio submodule directories
> > 
> > Again, install(EXPORT) handles all this automatically, in find_package(Midas) it has to be done by hand.
> > 
> > Anyhow, this is easy to add, but it does me no good in the rootana cmake if I want to build against old versions
> > of midas. So in the rootana cmake, I still have to add $MIDASSYS/mvodb & co by hand. Messy.
> > 
> > I do not know the history of cmake and why they have two ways of doing things (find_package and install(EXPORT)),
> > this second method seems to be much simpler, everything is exported automatically into one file,
> > and it is much easier to use (include the export file and say target_link_libraries(rootana PUBLIC midas)).
> > 
> > So how much time should I spend in fixing find_package(Midas) to make it generally usable?
> > 
> > - include path is incomplete
> > - library list is nonsense
> > - compiler flags are not exported (we do not need -DOS_LINUX, but we do need -DHAVE_ZLIB, etc)
> > - dependency libraries are not exported (-lz, -lutil, -lrt, -lpthread, etc)
> > 
> > K.O.

The documentation fro the Elog ODB tree here:
https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php//Elog_ODB_tree#Url

says:

The Built-in elog will ignore this key.

If using an Built-in Elog, this key must NOT be present.

I assume this is an artifact from amending the documentation, but it's unclear if 
the key has to be removed or not. I.e. if the key exists and is empty, will the 
built-in elog work? In what way will it break?

> So you say "nuke ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}" and "fix ${MIDAS_INCLUDE}". Ok.

A more moderate option would be to remove mfe from ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}, but as far as I understand mfe is not the only problem, so nuking might be the 
better option after all. In addition, setting ${MIDASSYS} in MidasConfig.cmake would probably improve compatibility.

>Sometimes you need "-lutil" and "-lrt" and "-lpthread", sometimes not. 
>Some way to pass this information automatically would be nice.

I do not properly understand when you need this and when not, but can't this be communicated with the PUBLIC keyword of target_link_libraries()? If I 
understand if we can use PUBLIC for -lutil, -lrt and -lpthread, I can write something, test it here and create a pull request.

> And I still do not understand why we have to do all this work when cmake "import(EXPORT)"
> already does all of this automatically. What am I missing?

Does this not require midas to be built every time you import it? I know, it's a bit the "billions of flies can't be wrong" argument, but I've never seen 
any package that uses import(EXPORT) over find_package().

> > I agree that those two things are problems, but I don't see why it is preferable to leave the MidasConfig.cmake in this "broken" state. For us 
> > problem 1 is less of an issue, becaues we run "link_directories(${MIDAS_LIBRARY_DIRS})" in the top CMakeLists.txt and then just link against "midas", 
> > not "${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}". However, number 2 would be nice, to not manually hack in target_include_directories(target ${MIDASSYS}/mscb/include), 
> > especially because ${MIDASSYS} is not set in cmake.
> 
> So you say "nuke ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}" and "fix ${MIDAS_INCLUDE}". Ok.
> 
> Problem still remains with required auxiliary libraries for linking "-lmidas". Sometimes you
> need "-lutil" and "-lrt" and "-lpthread", sometimes not. Some way to pass this information
> automatically would be nice.
> 
> Problem still remains that I cannot do these changes because I have no test harness
> for any of this. Would be great if you could contribute this and post the documentation
> blurb that we can paste into the midas wiki documentation.
> 
> And I still do not understand why we have to do all this work when cmake "import(EXPORT)"
> already does all of this automatically. What am I missing?
> 
> K.O.
> 
> > 
> > I see two solutions for problem 2: Treat mscb as a submodule and compile and install it together with midas, or add the include directory to 
> > ${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} (same applies to the other submodules, mscb is the one that made me open this elog just now)
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Lukas
> >  
> > > > find_package(Midas)
> > > 
> > > I am testing find_package(Midas). There is a number of problems:
> > > 
> > > 1) ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} is set to "midas;midas-shared;midas-c-compat;mfe".
> > > 
> > > This seem to be an incomplete list of all libraries build by midas (rmana is missing).
> > > 
> > > This means ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} should not be used for linking midas programs (unlike ${ROOT_LIBRARIES}, etc):
> > > 
> > > - we discourage use of midas shared library because it always leads to problems with shared library version mismatch (static linking is preferred)
> > > - midas-c-compat is for building python interfaces, not for linking midas programs
> > > - mfe contains a main() function, it will collide with the user main() function
> > > 
> > > So I think this should be changed to just "midas" and midas linking dependancy
> > > libraries (-lutil, -lrt, -lpthread) should also be added to this list.
> > > 
> > > Of course the "install(EXPORT)" method does all this automatically. (so my fixing find_package(Midas) is a waste of time)
> > > 
> > > 2) ${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} is missing the mxml, mjson, mvodb, midasio submodule directories
> > > 
> > > Again, install(EXPORT) handles all this automatically, in find_package(Midas) it has to be done by hand.
> > > 
> > > Anyhow, this is easy to add, but it does me no good in the rootana cmake if I want to build against old versions
> > > of midas. So in the rootana cmake, I still have to add $MIDASSYS/mvodb & co by hand. Messy.
> > > 
> > > I do not know the history of cmake and why they have two ways of doing things (find_package and install(EXPORT)),
> > > this second method seems to be much simpler, everything is exported automatically into one file,
> > > and it is much easier to use (include the export file and say target_link_libraries(rootana PUBLIC midas)).
> > > 
> > > So how much time should I spend in fixing find_package(Midas) to make it generally usable?
> > > 
> > > - include path is incomplete
> > > - library list is nonsense
> > > - compiler flags are not exported (we do not need -DOS_LINUX, but we do need -DHAVE_ZLIB, etc)
> > > - dependency libraries are not exported (-lz, -lutil, -lrt, -lpthread, etc)
> > > 
> > > K.O.

I am updating the history plots. Main changes:

- the old history display code should again be easily usable (use the "open in old history display" checkbox)
- the history plot editor has an "edit in ODB" button that takes as to the plot definition in ODB (sometimes it is 
easier to editing things in the ODB editor)
- error in history plot editor that created "formula" entry of incorrect size should be fixed
- "reorder" (and "delete entry") functions in the history plot editor should work again (plus added explanation text)
- "factor" and "offset" restored in the history plot editor
- added the long desired "voffset" to simplify plot scaling and positioning
- (factor, offset and voffset do not yet work in the new history plots, TBI ASAP)
- history plot editor and generate_hist_graph() now use the same code to read plot definitions from ODB. There should 
be no more confusion about content of history plot entries in ODB and what each entry is supposed to do.

These changes have been precipitated by our inability to plot high voltage voltage and current on the same plot,
see bug https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/issues/308/history-plot-formula-cannot-be-used-to

Voltage is in the range 0..1000 (volts) and current is in the range 0..50 and 0..0.100, autoscaling on voltage
makes the currents invisible at the zero line. In the past, we used the "factor" setting to scale
the graphs so we can see both voltage and currents at the same time (currents scaled up by factor 25 and 600,
as example).

The new "formula" feature was supposed to replace (and improve upon) the "factor" and "offset". But if I use
the formula "x*25", suddenly the plot is telling us that current values are not 50 uA, but 1250 uA (50*25),
and this is just wrong. We do not want to scale the micro-amps, we want to better position the plot on the graph,
like the old "factor" and "offset" allowed us to do.

So the idea is to use this computation:

y_position_on_plot = offset + factor*(formula(history_value) - voffset)

- "formula" is to transform history values into physical values (i.e. pressure meter reports bars, but we want atm, or 
voltmeter is reading in discrete units of 0.125V, we want to see volts)
- "factor" and "offset" is to position the graphs on the plot for best visual presentation of data
- I also added is the much desired "voffset", you only know it is needed if you have a non-zero "offset" and you need 
to change the "factor", surprise, "offset" has ot be changed, too, and good luck recalculating it correctly in one 
try.

The way to use this stuff:
- adjust "voffset" to bring the graph to around y=0
- increase the "factor" to zoom-in on features and stuff
- adjust "offset" to move the graph up and down relative to all the other graphs on the plot
- now one can zoom in and out as needed by changing the "factor" and the plot will stay roughly in the right place 
without having to readjust the offsets.

K.O.

> > So you say "nuke ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}" and "fix ${MIDAS_INCLUDE}". Ok.
> A more moderate option ...

For the record, I did not disappear. I have a very short time window
to complete commissioning the alpha-g daq (now that the network
and the event builder are cooperating). To add to the fun, our high voltage
power supply turned into a pumpkin, so plotting voltages and currents 
on the same history plot at the same time (like we used to be able to do)
went up in priority. 

K.O.

I disagree with the proposed change to scale the HV current for a "nice" display. If values are scaled, the axis should be 
scaled in the same way. Otherwise people might read the current from the plot, look at the axis, and again get the wrong 
value (the factor of 25x you mention). Sure you can hover with the cursor over the graph, and see the right value, but think 
of taking a screen shot, putting this into a publication, and get complaints from the reviewer.

The only "correct" way in my opinion is to implement two vertical axis, as can be seen in some papers. One for the HV, and a 
new TBD right axis for the current values, then indicating for each graph if the left or right vertical axis applies. For 
the secondary axis we can have autoscaling or fixed scaling, as we have for the primary axis.

Stefan

Can you post your complete page here so that I can have a look?

Stefan

A general warning: With the recent history changes implemented in the develop branch, starting from a fresh ODB and editing 
any history panel, on gets tons of errors and debug output from mhttpd:

MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Minimum" returned status 312
MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Minimum" returned status 312
MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Maximum" returned status 312
MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Maximum" returned status 312
MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Zero ylow" returned status 312
MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Log axis" returned status 312
MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Zero ylow" returned status 312
Load from ODB History/Display/Default/Trigger rate: hist plot: 2 variables
timescale: 1h, minimum: 0.000000, maximum: 0.000000, zero_ylow: 0, log_axis: 0, show_run_markers: 1, show_values: 1, 
show_fill: 1
var[0] event [System][Trigger per sec.] formula [], colour [#00AAFF] label [] factor 1.000000 offset 0.000000 voffset 
0.000000 order 10
var[1] event [System][Trigger kB per sec.] formula [], colour [#FF9000] label [] factor 1.000000 offset 0.000000 voffset 
0.000000 order 20



This has to be fixed by the original author. I strongly recommend to make such modifications on a separate branch not to 
break running experiments.

Stefan

We are using the new history formula as a quick way to convert signals from sensors to actual physical values (for example Voltage->Temperature, Voltage->relative humidity 
...), so it is great that the shown voltage is the calculated one.

I would like to add a point to this discussion.
In our collaboration people attach images of history plots to elogs, meeting presentation and/or physical logbooks.
The proposed scaling formula may work fine online using the cursors, but, once an image is created, I do not understand how it is possible to extract the value for a scaled 
variables.
Suppose you see a graph in a presentation with a current increase by some PSU and the current was scaled to be in the same plot of the voltage.
Looking at the delta in the image, how can you judge the current increase without any axis/grid to refer to?

So I support Stefan proposal for a secondary axis, as long as it is clear which value belong to which axis.
Maybe marking the channels in the description or using different line styles/thickness?

Best,
Marco

> A general warning: With the recent history changes implemented in the develop branch, starting from a fresh ODB and editing 
> any history panel, on gets tons of errors and debug output from mhttpd: ...

This is the reason most projects have separate development and production branches.

I recommend everybody to use the released tagged versions of midas for production.

> I strongly recommend to make such modifications on a separate branch not to 
> break running experiments.

Is there something that does not work anymore? Did I break something? The debug messages I am still
tuning.

K.O.


> 
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Minimum" returned status 312
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Minimum" returned status 312
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Maximum" returned status 312
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Maximum" returned status 312
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Zero ylow" returned status 312
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Log axis" returned status 312
> MVOdb: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "/History/Display/Default/Trigger rate/Zero ylow" returned status 312
> Load from ODB History/Display/Default/Trigger rate: hist plot: 2 variables
> timescale: 1h, minimum: 0.000000, maximum: 0.000000, zero_ylow: 0, log_axis: 0, show_run_markers: 1, show_values: 1, 
> show_fill: 1
> var[0] event [System][Trigger per sec.] formula [], colour [#00AAFF] label [] factor 1.000000 offset 0.000000 voffset 
> 0.000000 order 10
> var[1] event [System][Trigger kB per sec.] formula [], colour [#FF9000] label [] factor 1.000000 offset 0.000000 voffset 
> 0.000000 order 20
> 
> 
> 
> This has to be fixed by the original author. I strongly recommend to make such modifications on a separate branch not to 
> break running experiments.
> 
> Stefan

> I disagree ...

I am happy with disagreement and differences of opinions. Zest of life, driver of progress and improvements, etc.

I am even more happy with solutions to problems. The current problem is that the offset and factor feature
of history plots has been removed without much discussion.

I stress, we have been using this feature to run experiments for the last 20 years.

I do not understand objections to it being restored. If you do not want to use it, do not use it.

K.O.

> with the proposed change to scale the HV current for a "nice" display. If values are scaled, the axis should be 
> scaled in the same way. Otherwise people might read the current from the plot, look at the axis, and again get the wrong 
> value (the factor of 25x you mention). Sure you can hover with the cursor over the graph, and see the right value, but think 
> of taking a screen shot, putting this into a publication, and get complaints from the reviewer.
> 
> The only "correct" way in my opinion is to implement two vertical axis, as can be seen in some papers. One for the HV, and a 
> new TBD right axis for the current values, then indicating for each graph if the left or right vertical axis applies. For 
> the secondary axis we can have autoscaling or fixed scaling, as we have for the primary axis.
> 
> Stefan

> > The only "correct" way in my opinion is to implement two vertical axis, as can be seen in some papers. One for the HV, and a 
> > new TBD right axis for the current values, then indicating for each graph if the left or right vertical axis applies. For 
> > the secondary axis we can have autoscaling or fixed scaling, as we have for the primary axis.

In the past, we have done some useful plots with maybe 10 variables plotted
at the same time with different scaling and positioning on the graph.

Having 2 vertical axis is maybe useful for the specific case of plotting high voltages,
but not in the general case.

Actually, just 2 vertical axis will not work to plot high voltages in ALPHA-g, because
we have anode currents on the scale 0..0.1 uA and cathode currents on the scale 50..60 uA.

K.O.

I will have to post an example of a scaled plot. I figure everybody forgot how they look like.

K.O.


> We are using the new history formula as a quick way to convert signals from sensors to actual physical values (for example Voltage->Temperature, Voltage->relative humidity 
> ...), so it is great that the shown voltage is the calculated one.
> 
> I would like to add a point to this discussion.
> In our collaboration people attach images of history plots to elogs, meeting presentation and/or physical logbooks.
> The proposed scaling formula may work fine online using the cursors, but, once an image is created, I do not understand how it is possible to extract the value for a scaled 
> variables.
> Suppose you see a graph in a presentation with a current increase by some PSU and the current was scaled to be in the same plot of the voltage.
> Looking at the delta in the image, how can you judge the current increase without any axis/grid to refer to?
> 
> So I support Stefan proposal for a secondary axis, as long as it is clear which value belong to which axis.
> Maybe marking the channels in the description or using different line styles/thickness?
> 
> Best,
> Marco

Hi all,
for my experiment we ended up with the need of changing lot of parameters (~9000 values) in the ODB at once by the sequencer.
The very first solution was to use a sequencer function with a ton of ODBSET calls, however a more elegant solution may be to provide an "ODBLoad" command which mimics the "load" command of odbedit.
I already have a working modification to the sequencer for this, if you agree I will commit it to a dedicated brach.
Let me know if you think this is a good approach.

Marco F

> Hi all,
> for my experiment we ended up with the need of changing lot of parameters (~9000 values) in the ODB at once by the sequencer.
> The very first solution was to use a sequencer function with a ton of ODBSET calls, however a more elegant solution may be to provide an "ODBLoad" command which mimics the "load" command of odbedit.
> I already have a working modification to the sequencer for this, if you agree I will commit it to a dedicated brach.
> Let me know if you think this is a good approach.
> 
> Marco F

How can people judge your modification if they cannot see it? Why don't you make a pull request, so it can be properly reviewed.

Stefan

> Hi all,
> for my experiment we ended up with the need of changing lot of parameters (~9000 values) in the ODB at once by the sequencer.
> The very first solution was to use a sequencer function with a ton of ODBSET calls, however a more elegant solution may be to provide an "ODBLoad" command which mimics the "load" command of odbedit.
> I already have a working modification to the sequencer for this, if you agree I will commit it to a dedicated brach.
> Let me know if you think this is a good approach.
> 

Sounds like a good idea. I trust you are using the data in json format? Perhaps the command
should be named "ODBLoadJSON" to be clear about this.

(JSON is preferred over .odb and .xml for many reasons (ask me))

K.O.