Hi Konstantin,

we are considering to make the range selection uniform among json, sequencer and 
odbedit "set" command. Having multiple ranges like [1,4-5] will be quite some work, so 
my question is did you just implement it on the json side because it was easy, or are 
there experiments who really need it? Wouldn't it be enough to have

[*]
[n]
[n-m]

This way we always have only one db_set_data() value behind that. Any set of indices 
we have to split into several db_set_data(), which especially for the front-end 
configuration can cause trouble by triggering a hot link on each access.

Stefan

> I totally agree that we should have a consistent formatting for array index expansion.
> I had a look to the mjsonrpc code and I found the function parse_array_index_list(...) which does this job.

Yes, it is good to review this stuff. I think the json-rpc call should accept more array index patterns:

a[*] - whole array (even though it is unnatural use in javascript, we do not say "let a[*] = b[*]", we say "let a = b".
a[5-] - from 5th element to the end (in the case we do not know the length)
a[-10] - from first element to element 10 (this is same as a[0-10], but needed for consistency with previous case).

K.O.

> I have a similar function (adapted form previous code) in odb.cxx called strarrayindex(...) that is designed for the same "consistency" purposes between odbedit and sequencer.
> 
> Let me put few points that I noticed:
> - mjsonrpc has a very different way to write the full array (no indexes given) while currently sequencer requires "[*]" to do the same (otherwise it only changes the first value of the array)
> - currently the sequencer and the underlying ODB calls use two indexes (that are the same if you want to write only one key) so we will need a serious rewriting to allow something like "ODBSET array[1,3,5]"
> - if I correctly understood the code, mjsonrpc instead generates a list of indices and then calls an ODB write on each of them. That's not always a good thing, for example if you are writing an array of n parameters on a DAQ 
> board you will call the hotlink on that key n times
> - in addition to that the sequencer will also have to cope with variable-based indexes like "ODBSET array[$val]", but then how it should parse something like "[$a,1]" or "[$a*]"?
> 
> For the very first point I do not see a clean way to do this without breaking the compatibility of existing sequencers or having a difference between the two implementations.
> For the others I guess we can find a way out, however that's a major modification so I will put it on my todo list when I can find some free time.
> In any case I would propose to merge the two functions, so we have only to maintain a single implementation of the parsing.
> 
> I guess it's a good moment to brainstorm about that, let me know what you think
> 
> Marco
> 
> 
> > > The following all fail with "Cannot find ODB key "<key>""
> > > 
> > > ODBSET "/Detectors/Det*/Settings/Charge/Bias (V)[*]" 0
> > > ODBSET "/Detectors/Det*/Settings/Charge/Bias (V)[0-9]" 0
> > > ODBSET "/Detectors/Det*/Settings/Charge/Bias (V)[1]" 0
> > > ODBSET "/Detectors/Det*/Settings/Charge/Bias (V)*" 0
> > > ODBSET "/Detectors/Det*/Settings/Charge/Bias (V)" 0
> > > 
> > 
> > It would be cool if ODB pattern matching in the sequencer
> > were consistent with the ODB pattern matching in the json-rpc
> > interface for web pages:
> > 
> > https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Mjsonrpc#Supported_array_index_syntax
> > 
> > K.O.

> 
> we are considering to make the range selection uniform among json, sequencer and 
> odbedit "set" command. Having multiple ranges like [1,4-5] will be quite some work, so 
> my question is did you just implement it on the json side because it was easy, or are 
> there experiments who really need it? Wouldn't it be enough to have
> 
> [*]
> [n]
> [n-m]
> 

It has been a long time, but most likely I designed the interface to work this
way to permit maximum flexibility for writing into an array using just one
rpc operation.

The generalized form is:
[range,range,range...]

where range is:
array index or
index1-index2 or
index2-index1 (write in reverse order)

This is all documented here:
https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Mjsonrpc#Supported_array_index_syntax

I think it is too late to change it.

>
> This way we always have only one db_set_data() value behind that. Any set of indices 
> we have to split into several db_set_data()
> 

Sounds good. I think it is easy to have a common implementation:

One would need following functions:
parse range selection from string into std::vector<int> of array indices (we already have it)
call db_set_data_range() (this is easy to add).

>
> trouble by triggering a hot link on each access.
>

There is no escaping this trouble. Half the experiments want notification
"per array", the other half, "per array element". We cannot choose one or the other for them,
we have to provide a way for the user to say how they want it.

P.S. With existing ODB calls, you cannot do [n-m] ranges. You can do whole array or you
can do one-element-at-a-time.

K.O.

Hi all,

I am having some issues getting the ODBINC command to work within the MIDAS 
sequencer. I am trying to increment one of the ODB values but it is returning a 
mismatch data-type size error (see attached image).

All the ODB variables are MIDAS data-type FLOAT and should all be 32-bit values, 
but for some reason MIDAS is thinking they are 4-bit values. I have tried creating 
new ODB keys of type INT32, UINT32 and DOUBLE but they all give the same error.

If anybody has any suggestions I would really appreciate some help:)

Thanks



 

Please post the output of odbedit "ls -l" for /eq/ar.../variables. (you posted the 
variable name as an image, and I cannot cut-and-paste the odb path!). BTW data size 4 is 
correct, 4 bytes for INT32/UINT32/FLOAT. For DOUBLE it should be 8. For you it prints 32 
and this is wrong, we need to see the output of "ls -l".
K.O.

> Please post the output of odbedit "ls -l" for /eq/ar.../variables. (you posted the 
> variable name as an image, and I cannot cut-and-paste the odb path!). BTW data size 4 is 
> correct, 4 bytes for INT32/UINT32/FLOAT. For DOUBLE it should be 8. For you it prints 32 
> and this is wrong, we need to see the output of "ls -l".
> K.O.

Hi,

Thanks for getting back to me regarding this. The output of "ls -l" is:

[local:mu3eMSci:S]/>cd Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables
[local:mu3eMSci:S]Variables>ls -l
Key name                        Type    #Val  Size  Last Opn Mode Value
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
_T_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  20.93
_F_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  12.8
_P_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  56
_S_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  5
_H_                             FLOAT   1     4     60h  0   RWD  44.74
_B_                             FLOAT   1     4     60h  0   RWD  18.54
_A_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  14.41
_RH_                            FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  41.81
_AT_                            FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  20.46
SP                              INT16   1     2     1h   0   RWD  10

Many Thanks
Jago

> 
> [local:mu3eMSci:S]/>cd Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables
> [local:mu3eMSci:S]Variables>ls -l
> Key name                        Type    #Val  Size  Last Opn Mode Value
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _T_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  20.93
> _F_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  12.8
> _P_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  56
> _S_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  5
> _H_                             FLOAT   1     4     60h  0   RWD  44.74
> _B_                             FLOAT   1     4     60h  0   RWD  18.54
> _A_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  14.41
> _RH_                            FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  41.81
> _AT_                            FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  20.46
> SP                              INT16   1     2     1h   0   RWD  10
> 

This looks okey, so we still have no explanation for your error. Please post your sequencer 
script?

K.O.

I tried following script:

ODBSET /Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables/_S_, 10

LOOP 10
  WAIT seconds, 3
  ODBINC /Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables/_S_
ENDLOOP

and it worked as expected. So I conclude the problem must be in your script. Probably a typo in 
the ODB path pointing to a 32-byte string instead to a 4-byte float.

Stefan  

> I tried following script:
> 
> ODBSET /Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables/_S_, 10
> 
> LOOP 10
>   WAIT seconds, 3
>   ODBINC /Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables/_S_
> ENDLOOP
> 
> and it worked as expected. So I conclude the problem must be in your script. Probably a typo in 
> the ODB path pointing to a 32-byte string instead to a 4-byte float.
> 
> Stefan  

Hi Stefan,

Cheers for the reply. I believe the syntax we are using is correct. I have tried copying the script 
you used above and it results in the same error as before. Perhaps something is going wrong 
elsewhere - I will take another look today.

Jago

> > 
> > [local:mu3eMSci:S]/>cd Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables
> > [local:mu3eMSci:S]Variables>ls -l
> > Key name                        Type    #Val  Size  Last Opn Mode Value
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > _T_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  20.93
> > _F_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  12.8
> > _P_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  56
> > _S_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  5
> > _H_                             FLOAT   1     4     60h  0   RWD  44.74
> > _B_                             FLOAT   1     4     60h  0   RWD  18.54
> > _A_                             FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  14.41
> > _RH_                            FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  41.81
> > _AT_                            FLOAT   1     4     1h   0   RWD  20.46
> > SP                              INT16   1     2     1h   0   RWD  10
> > 
> 
> This looks okey, so we still have no explanation for your error. Please post your sequencer 
> script?
> 
> K.O.

Hey, thanks for getting back to me

We are fairly confident the syntax is correct. Having tried the test script posted by Stefan:

> ODBSET /Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables/_S_, 10
> 
> LOOP 10
>   WAIT seconds, 3
>   ODBINC 

The same error is returned:/

We will take another look today.

Jago

Just post here a minimal script which produces the error, so that I can try myself.

... and make sure that you have the latest develop version of midas.

Stefan

> Just post here a minimal script which produces the error, so that I can try myself.
> 
> ... and make sure that you have the latest develop version of midas.
> 
> Stefan

Here is the simplest script which produces the error:

WAIT seconds, 3
ODBINC /Equipment/ArduinoTestStation/Variables/_S_

I noticed that "Jacob Thorne"  in the forum had the same issue as us in Novemeber last 
year. Indeed we have not installed any later versions of MIDAS since then so we will 
double check we have the latest version.

Jago

> I noticed that "Jacob Thorne"  in the forum had the same issue as us in Novemeber last 
> year. Indeed we have not installed any later versions of MIDAS since then so we will 
> double check we have the latest version.

As you see from my reply to Jacob, the bug has been fixed in midas since then, so just 
update.

Stefan

> > I noticed that "Jacob Thorne"  in the forum had the same issue as us in Novemeber last 
> > year. Indeed we have not installed any later versions of MIDAS since then so we will 
> > double check we have the latest version.
> 
> As you see from my reply to Jacob, the bug has been fixed in midas since then, so just 
> update.
> 
> Stefan

We have tried updating using both:

git submodule update --init --recursive

and:

git pull --recurse-submodules

But the error still persists. Is there another way to update which we are missing?

Cheers
Jago

> But the error still persists. Is there another way to update which we are missing?

The bug was definitively fixed in this modification:

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/5f33f9f7f21bcaa474455ab72b15abc424bbebf2

You probably forgot to compile/install correctly after your pull. Of you start "odbedit" and do 
a "ver" you see which git revision you are currently running. Make sure to get this output:

MIDAS version:      2.1
GIT revision:       Fri Feb 11 08:56:02 2022 +0100 - midas-2020-08-a-509-g585faa96 on branch 
develop
ODB version:        3


Stefan

> > But the error still persists. Is there another way to update which we are missing?
> 
> The bug was definitively fixed in this modification:
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/5f33f9f7f21bcaa474455ab72b15abc424bbebf2
> 
> You probably forgot to compile/install correctly after your pull. Of you start "odbedit" and do 
> a "ver" you see which git revision you are currently running. Make sure to get this output:
> 
> MIDAS version:      2.1
> GIT revision:       Fri Feb 11 08:56:02 2022 +0100 - midas-2020-08-a-509-g585faa96 on branch 
> develop
> ODB version:        3
> 
> 
> Stefan

Hey Stefan,

We are running the GIT revision midas-2020-08-a-509-g585faa96:

[local:mu3eMSci:S]/>ver
MIDAS version:      2.1
GIT revision:       Tue Feb 15 16:31:07 2022 +0000 - midas-2020-08-a-521-ge43ea7c5 on branch develop
ODB version:        3


which is still giving the error unfortunately. 

> > But the error still persists. Is there another way to update which we are missing?
> 
> The bug was definitively fixed in this modification:
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/5f33f9f7f21bcaa474455ab72b15abc424bbebf2
> 
> You probably forgot to compile/install correctly after your pull. Of you start "odbedit" and do 
> a "ver" you see which git revision you are currently running. Make sure to get this output:
> 
> MIDAS version:      2.1
> GIT revision:       Fri Feb 11 08:56:02 2022 +0100 - midas-2020-08-a-509-g585faa96 on branch 
> develop
> ODB version:        3
> 
> 
> Stefan

We we're having some problems compiling but have got it sorted now - thanks for your help:)

Jago

At TRIUMF, we use several different versions of code to interface MIDAS and
EPICS (http://www.aps.anl.gov/epics). Now that we more or less understand
our needs, I propose this design for a simplified "EPICS" MIDAS frontend. I
would like to keep this new front end in the MIDAS CVS repository, possibly
replacing the existing EPICS frontend in examples/epics.

The basic idea is to provide an ODB-driven bi-directional gateway between
EPICS and ODB with this functionality: periodically read EPICS data and save
it in ODB, optionally generate MIDAS events with EPICS data; for writing
data to EPICS, use hotlinks- if the user changes "write" variables in ODB,
the changes are sent to EPICS.

1) ODB structure
   /equipment/epicsgw/
     common/...
     statistics/...
     variables/
       epics[...] <--- EPICS->ODB data (double[])
       write[...] <--- ODB->EPICS data (double[])
     settings/
       num epics  <--- number of epics variables (int)
       num write  <--- number of write variables (int)
       names epics <--- human-readable names for EPICS variables (string[])
       names write <--- human-readable names for EPICS variables (string[])
       chans epics <--- EPICS channels for epics-read data (string[])
       chans write <--- EPICS channels for epics-write data (string[])
       period      <--- EPICS read period in milliseconds (int[])
       enable epics <-- enable (y/n) epics-read (bool[])
       enable write <-- enable (y/n) epics-write (bool[])
       enable events <- enable event generation (bool)

2) EPICS to ODB data path: periodically read each enabled "epics" variable
and write the data values to ODB. Other front ends can hotlink the "epics"
variables to receive updated epics data.

3) ODB to EPICS data path: monitor the hotlink to ".../variables/write". If
data changes, send the changes to EPICS. At startup, write all "write"
variables to EPICS.

4) event generation: TBD.

5) error handling: TBD.

K.O.

The easiest way to achieve this is to write a new class driver, probably derived
from the multi.c class driver. One has just to rename all "output" with "write"
(or better "ODB2EPICS") and all "input" with "EPICS2ODB". The multi class driver
handles already a factor/offset for each channel (which could be 1/0 of course),
a threshold to update the ODB/EPICS only when a value changes significantly, to
retrieve labes from the bus driver (EPICS labes -> ODB settings), automatic
event generation and error handling. So it would be a good starting point.

What one gets from the class driver in the ODB is:

  /equipment/<name>/
     variables/
        Input[]     <--- read from the bus driver (float)
        Output[]    <--- witten to the bus driver (float)
     settings/
        Names Input[]        <--- human readable names
        Names Output[]       <--- human readable names
        Update Threshold[]
        Input Offset[]
        Input Factor[]
        Output Offset[]
        Output Factor[]
        Devices/
           Input/
              DD/   <--- parameters for Device Driver
                 ... Epics addresses, flags etc.
              BD/   <--- parameters for Bus Driver
           Output/
        
So if one uses the standard mfe.c code together with the multi.c class driver
and epics_ca.c device driver all what is left is the following:

- replace cd_gen.c by multi.c in the examples/epics directory
- break down the already existing flags into enable epics/write/events
- maybe add th EPICS read period

The last two things should be done in the epics_ca.c device driver, so one can
use the multi.c class driver without any change. Event generation and error
handling then comes for free.

Hello everybody,

I am really appreciate the development of the new odb++ API. So I directly started to rewrite the code for the Mu3e DAQ system.

I have a view questions / suggestions which came up during my work so fare:

1. The documentation seems to be quite new so there are some variables wrong named and small typo stuff. I would like to fix them. Should I request for an account or what else is needed to change them?

2. When I create an ODB structure with the new API I do for example:

    midas::odb stream_settings = {
            {"Test_odb_api", {
                                      {"Divider", 1000},     // int
                                      {"Enable", false},     // bool
                              }},
    };
    stream_settings.connect("/Equipment/Test/Settings", true);

and with 

midas::odb datagen("/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api");
std::cout << "Datagenerator Enable is " << datagen["Enable"] << std::endl;

I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

Thank you again for the nice development!

Cheers,
Marius