Hello Clemens,

The hardware readout is triggered by the interrupt within this thread. The main thread poll on  
the data availability (from the rb) to filter/compose the frontend event.
In a similar multi-threaded implementation presently used in a dark matter experiment we start 
as many thread as necessary to constantly poll on the hardware for "data fragment" collection.
The event composition is done in the main thread through polling on the RBs.

Depending on the trigger rate and readout time, we can afford to analyze the data fragment at 
the thread level and add computed/summary information to the ring buffer on a event-by-event 
basis. This facilitate the overall event filtering happening later on in our event builder. 

"polling the trigger signal?", I don't understand. You can poll on the trigger condition but 
then you don't need interrupt.

The original Midas interrupt implementation was to let the interrupt function set a acknowledge 
flag which is picked up by the standard midas polling function (user code) for triggering the 
readout. This method ensure a minimal time spent in the IRQ and works fine for a single thread.

In regards of the CAEN V1742, we do have a VME driver for it, but it hasn't been added to the 
Midas yet (quite recent), but please don't hesitate to send us a copy.

Cheers, PAA

 

> Hi Pierre-Andre,
> 
> thanks for your comments. If I understand you correctly you are advising to separate the
> triggering based on the interrupt signal and the actual data readout. In principal wouldn't
> it be also possible to facilitate the multi-threading equipment type to poll the trigger
> signal? Then veto new triggers and start the readout of the different detector modules by a
> "manual trigger" ?
> 
> I'll check the example you've recommended to compare the different solutions.
> 
> By the way I've written a driver for the CAEN V1742 VME module, it's working but the code is
> currently not in a "nice" state. but if you are interested I could provide the driver code.
> 
> Cheers,
> Clemens
> 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
> > > driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
> > > just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
> > > just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
> > > their driver with interrupts.
> > > 
> > > Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
> > > the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Clemens Sauerzopf
> > 
> > Hi Clemens,
> > 
> > We did have interrupt handling at some point under VxWorks and later with Linux, but it 
> > has always been a challenge.
> > As you may have found, the current frontend (mfe.c) still has some code to that purpose. 
> > But I wouldn't guarantee that recent development related to multi-threading didn't 
> > affect the expected interrupt operation (not been tested).
> > 
> > Now-a-days, I would suggest that you encapsulate your interrupt handling function based 
> > on the provided software into a independent thread started by a standard midas frontend. 
> > While the main frontend task could operate a periodic equipment as you've done so far, a 
> > polling equipment would poll on the data availability from the ring buffer. The readout 
> > function would compose the appropriate data bank.
> > 
> > This method has the advantage to decouple all the interrupt timing/restriction related 
> > issues from midas and run a conventional frontend. The ring buffer functions are part of 
> > midas (rb_...()).
> > Example for multi-threading can be found in examples/mtfe which include the use of the 
> > ring buffer as well.
> > 
> > Cheers, PAA

Hi Pierre-Andre,

thanks for your comments. If I understand you correctly you are advising to separate the
triggering based on the interrupt signal and the actual data readout. In principal wouldn't
it be also possible to facilitate the multi-threading equipment type to poll the trigger
signal? Then veto new triggers and start the readout of the different detector modules by a
"manual trigger" ?

I'll check the example you've recommended to compare the different solutions.

By the way I've written a driver for the CAEN V1742 VME module, it's working but the code is
currently not in a "nice" state. but if you are interested I could provide the driver code.

Cheers,
Clemens

> > Hello,
> > 
> > we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
> > driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
> > just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
> > just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
> > their driver with interrupts.
> > 
> > Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
> > the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Clemens Sauerzopf
> 
> Hi Clemens,
> 
> We did have interrupt handling at some point under VxWorks and later with Linux, but it 
> has always been a challenge.
> As you may have found, the current frontend (mfe.c) still has some code to that purpose. 
> But I wouldn't guarantee that recent development related to multi-threading didn't 
> affect the expected interrupt operation (not been tested).
> 
> Now-a-days, I would suggest that you encapsulate your interrupt handling function based 
> on the provided software into a independent thread started by a standard midas frontend. 
> While the main frontend task could operate a periodic equipment as you've done so far, a 
> polling equipment would poll on the data availability from the ring buffer. The readout 
> function would compose the appropriate data bank.
> 
> This method has the advantage to decouple all the interrupt timing/restriction related 
> issues from midas and run a conventional frontend. The ring buffer functions are part of 
> midas (rb_...()).
> Example for multi-threading can be found in examples/mtfe which include the use of the 
> ring buffer as well.
> 
> Cheers, PAA

We have tested operation of MIDAS using a 10GigE network connection. Using a dummy frontend 
generating fake data, we can record MIDAS data to disk at at least 700 Mbytes/sec as reported by 
the MIDAS status page.

Two configurations were tested, both run at at least 700Mbytes/sec sustained:

1) MIDAS mhttpd, mserver, mlogger running on the disk server machine (mlogger writes to local 
disk), frontend running on remote machine (10GigE mserver connection).
2) MIDAS mhttpd, mserver, mlogger, frontend running on remote machine (mlogger writes data to 
an NFS-mounted disk over a 10GigE connection).

In addition, for configuration (2), I simulated online analysis reading fresh midas files at the same 
time as MIDAS writes new data. The resulting observation is that Linux seems to be giving main 
priority to disk write traffic (700 Mbytes/sec) with the remaining disk bandwidth given to read traffic 
(50-100Mbytes/sec). In other words, when running online data analysis on fresh data files, mlogger 
continues to run at full speed (analysis does not slow down data taking).

A few problems with MIDAS were observed during this test:

a) mlogger data compression using gzip-1 has to be turned off (limits data rate to about 
200Mbytes/sec). We plan to implement high speed LZO/LZ4 data compression that we expect to 
keep up with a 10GigE network interface.
b) CPU use by mserver and mlogger is rather high (about 40% CPU)
c) when writing to the NFS disk, mlogger has a pause of 1-2 seconds when closing and reopening 
subrun data files. To avoid a interruption in data taking, the SYSTEM event buffer has to be big 
enough to ride through this pause, but stock MIDAS limits the maximum size of event buffer to 1GB 
(too small), this can be easily increased to 2GB (almost big enough) and with some more work it can 
be increased to 4GB, but no more because the buffer length is a 32-bit integer.
d) when writing to the NFS disk, we also see periodic 3-5 second interruptions ("write operation took 
5123 ms") and we had one death of mlogger by a timeout of 60 sec.

Details of the hardware:

1) the disk server machine CPU is 3.4GHz Intel i7-4770, mobo is ASUS Z87 WS (10 SATA, 2xGigE), 
RAM is 32GB DDR3-1600.
2) disk array is 8x4TB Seagate ST4000VN000-1H4168 NAS disks RAID0 (striped) configuration, raw 
data read/write rate is around 1 GByte/sec, disks are directly attached to mobo (no raid card), linux 
software raid.
3) the frontend machine CPU is 3.7GHz Intel i7-4820, mobo is ASUS P9X79 WS, RAM is 32GB DDR3-
1600.
4) 10GigE network is Solarflare Communications SFC9120 (both machines) with a cross-over fiber 
cable (direct connection,no switches)
5) OS is up-to-date SL6.5 (both machines)

K.O.

> Hello,
> 
> we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
> driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
> just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
> just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
> their driver with interrupts.
> 
> Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
> the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?
> 
> Best regards,
> Clemens Sauerzopf

Hi Clemens,

We did have interrupt handling at some point under VxWorks and later with Linux, but it 
has always been a challenge.
As you may have found, the current frontend (mfe.c) still has some code to that purpose. 
But I wouldn't guarantee that recent development related to multi-threading didn't 
affect the expected interrupt operation (not been tested).

Now-a-days, I would suggest that you encapsulate your interrupt handling function based 
on the provided software into a independent thread started by a standard midas frontend. 
While the main frontend task could operate a periodic equipment as you've done so far, a 
polling equipment would poll on the data availability from the ring buffer. The readout 
function would compose the appropriate data bank.

This method has the advantage to decouple all the interrupt timing/restriction related 
issues from midas and run a conventional frontend. The ring buffer functions are part of 
midas (rb_...()).
Example for multi-threading can be found in examples/mtfe which include the use of the 
ring buffer as well.

Cheers, PAA

Hello,

we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
their driver with interrupts.

Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?

Best regards,
Clemens Sauerzopf

mhist -s 140705 -p 140707 -e "HV".

diff --git a/utils/mhist.cxx b/utils/mhist.cxx
index 930de3b..10cc6ad 100755
--- a/utils/mhist.cxx
+++ b/utils/mhist.cxx
@@ -652,7 +652,6 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
             else if (strncmp(argv[i], "-s", 2) == 0) {
                strcpy(start_name, argv[++i]);
                start_time = convert_time(argv[i]);
-               do_hst_file = true;
             } else if (strncmp(argv[i], "-p", 2) == 0)
                end_time = convert_time(argv[++i]);
             else if (strncmp(argv[i], "-t", 2) == 0)

Hello, 
I'm in deppression.
I removed Everything from computer with mserver and reinstall system and midas.
Then I tried to run tutorial example.
Often run did not stop by pushing STOP button (mlogger stuck it, odbedit stop 
works)
After first START button pushed number of event taken by frontend equals mlogger 
events 
written. Next run (without mlogger restarting) mlogger double the number of 
events taken by 
frontend.(see attachment).Restarting mlogger fix this double counting.
What i've did wrong?

Hello, once again.
What I found is when I tryed to stop the run, mlogger still working and writing some 
data, that i'm sure is not right, because frontend's are in stopped state
( for ex. every 3*frontend got 50k, mlogger showes 120k . Stop button pushed, but data 
in .mid file collect more then 150k~300k ev)
. And it continue writing until it crashes by the default waiting period 10s.

Thanks, this seems very helpful, and we'll give it a try.

> > I have a possibly simple feature request for the MIDAS sequencer.  It would be
> > helpful to be able to save an ODB key's value to a variable, for later use, and
> > would be the analogue of the ODBSET command.  I had in mind an application where
> > a user wants to temporarily change some settings in the ODB, then restore the
> > ODB to its original values.  Maybe something like on ODBRead command:
> 
> I implemented your request, committed the changed to GIT and updated the documentation. Now you can run 
> things like:
> 
> ODBSET /System/tmp/test 1234 
> ODBGET /System/tmp/test v 
> MESSAGE $v 
> 
> (first you must create the key in the ODB manually).
> 
> Best regards,
> Stefan

> I have a possibly simple feature request for the MIDAS sequencer.  It would be
> helpful to be able to save an ODB key's value to a variable, for later use, and
> would be the analogue of the ODBSET command.  I had in mind an application where
> a user wants to temporarily change some settings in the ODB, then restore the
> ODB to its original values.  Maybe something like on ODBRead command:

I implemented your request, committed the changed to GIT and updated the documentation. Now you can run 
things like:

ODBSET /System/tmp/test 1234 
ODBGET /System/tmp/test v 
MESSAGE $v 

(first you must create the key in the ODB manually).

Best regards,
Stefan

Hello,
Our experiment based on MIDAS 2.x DAQ.
I'm using several identical frontend-%d  with only lam source & event id changed, 
running on 2 computers(~3frontends per one).
Each recieve about 10k Events (Max_SIZE =8*1024, but usually it is less then 
sizeof(DWORD)*400) per 7sec.
With no mlogger running it works just fine, but when I'm starting mlogger (on 3-d 
computer with mserver running)... looking at ethernet stat graph first 2-3 spills 
goes well, with one peak per 7 sec, then it becomes junky and everithing crushed 
(mlogger and frontends).
I tried to increase SYSTEM buffer and restart everything. What I saw was Logger 
writes only half of recieved events from sum of frontends, it stays running for 
awhile ~15minutes. If I push STOP button  before crashing, mlogger continious 
writing data on disk enough priod of time.
I will try to look at disk usage for bad sectors @HDD, but may be there is an easy 
way to fix this problem and i did something wrong. 
structure of frontend has code like
EQ_POLLED , POLL for 500,

frontend_loop{
read big buffer with 10k events;bufferread=true;
}

poll_event{
for (i=0;i<count;i++){
 if (bufferread) lam=1;
 if (!test) return lam;
 }
return 0;
}

read_trigger{
bk_init32();
//fill event with buffer until current word!=0xffffffff
if (currentposition+2 >buffer_size) bufferread=false
}
|
Help needed, please. Suggestions.
Thanks, Alexey.

Thank you very much for your input, it finally works. I succeeded in crosscompiling the frontend and running it on the ArduinoYun. The 64 MB RAM is more than
enough to run the mserver and a frontend and connect to a remote midas server over ethernet or wifi. 

Yust for reference if someone tries something similar: to directly access the serial interface between the Linux running processor and the Atmel processor it
is required to comment out a line in /etc/inittab: #ttyATH0::askfirst:/bin/ash --login
 this line starts a shell on the serial connection, by preventing this it is possible to run more or less unmodified code (serial interface needs to be
Serial1) on the Atmel side and use the linux processor as slow control pc.

Thanks again for your help!

I have a possibly simple feature request for the MIDAS sequencer.  It would be
helpful to be able to save an ODB key's value to a variable, for later use, and
would be the analogue of the ODBSET command.  I had in mind an application where
a user wants to temporarily change some settings in the ODB, then restore the
ODB to its original values.  Maybe something like on ODBRead command:

<ODBRead path="/Path/ODBkey">varname</ODBRead>
<ODBSet path="/Path/ODBkey">0</ODBRead> 
<Wait for="events">3000</Wait>
<ODBSet path="/Path/ODBkey">$varname</ODBRead> 

(In which the key's value is saved to variable varname, then later written back
to the ODB.)

I'm open to other suggestions for simple ways to do this through the sequencer.

Thanks! 

> Ok, I'm currently trying to get things running, setting up a crosscompiler toolchain for the Arduino Yun is fairly
> easy, just follow the tutorial on the  OpenWrt webpage.
> 
> The main problem is that openwrt uses the uClibc library instead of glibc this produces lots of difficulties
>

Okey, I see. I do not think we used uClibc with MIDAS yet.

>
> one is that building of the shared library is complaining about symbol name mismatches, but I guess this can be
> fixed somehow, I wont use the midas-shared library, therefore I just disabled it in the Makefile. 
> 

The shared library is generally not used. The Makefile builds it as a convenience for things like pymidas, etc.

> 
> The next problem is the backtrace functions tjhat are used within system.c, the functions backtrace and
> backtrace_symbols are only available in glibc for a quick fix I just changed the #ifdef directive in a way that this
> code is not built.
>

Yes. They should probably be behind an #ifdef GLIBC (whatever the GLIBC identifier is)

> 
> There is a more tricky problem, the compiler complains about mismatched function defintions:
> 
> error: declaration of 'size_t strlcat(char*, const char*, size_t) throw ()' has a different exception specifier
> error: declaration of 'size_t strlcpy(char*, const char*, size_t) throw ()' has a different exception specifier
> 
> This can be solved by editing the midas.h file:
> size_t EXPRT strlcpy(char *dst, const char *src, size_t size); -> size_t EXPRT strlcpy(char *dst, const char *src,
> size_t size) __THROW __nonnull ((1, 2));
> 

No need to edit anything, this is controlled by NEED_STRLCPY in the Makefile - to enable our own strlcpy on systems that do not provide it (hello, GLIBC!)

> 
> After changing this midas compiles with the crosscompiler and the resulting programs are executable on the Arduino
> Yun. I'll report back if I got my frontend to run and connect to the midas server.

Congratulations!

K.O.

Ok, I'm currently trying to get things running, setting up a crosscompiler toolchain for the Arduino Yun is fairly
easy, just follow the tutorial on the  OpenWrt webpage.

The main problem is that openwrt uses the uClibc library instead of glibc this produces lots of difficulties, first
one is that building of the shared library is complaining about symbol name mismatches, but I guess this can be
fixed somehow, I wont use the midas-shared library, therefore I just disabled it in the Makefile. 

The next problem is the backtrace functions tjhat are used within system.c, the functions backtrace and
backtrace_symbols are only available in glibc for a quick fix I just changed the #ifdef directive in a way that this
code is not built. 
 

There is a more tricky problem, the compiler complains about mismatched function defintions:

In file included from include/midasinc.h:17:0,
                 from include/msystem.h:35,
                 from src/sequencer.cxx:13:
/home/clemens/arduino/openwrt-yun/build_dir/toolchain-mips_r2_gcc-4.6-linaro_uClibc-0.9.33.2/uClibc-0.9.33.2/include/string.h:495:41:
error: declaration of 'size_t strlcat(char*, const char*, size_t) throw ()' has a different exception specifier
include/midas.h:1955:17: error: from previous declaration 'size_t strlcat(char*, const char*, size_t)'
/home/clemens/arduino/openwrt-yun/build_dir/toolchain-mips_r2_gcc-4.6-linaro_uClibc-0.9.33.2/uClibc-0.9.33.2/include/string.h:498:41:
error: declaration of 'size_t strlcpy(char*, const char*, size_t) throw ()' has a different exception specifier
include/midas.h:1954:17: error: from previous declaration 'size_t strlcpy(char*, const char*, size_t)'

This can be solved by editing the midas.h file:
size_t EXPRT strlcpy(char *dst, const char *src, size_t size); -> size_t EXPRT strlcpy(char *dst, const char *src,
size_t size) __THROW __nonnull ((1, 2));

and 

size_t EXPRT strlcat(char *dst, const char *src, size_t size); -> size_t EXPRT strlcat(char *dst, const char *src,
size_t size) __THROW __nonnull ((1, 2));

the same trick has to be done in ../mxml/strlcpy.h

After changing this midas compiles with the crosscompiler and the resulting programs are executable on the Arduino
Yun. I'll report back if I got my frontend to run and connect to the midas server.

We have similar demands, and we solve it in the following:

We use a run database. In the simplest case, this can be a text file which gets written at the end of the file. The 
mlogger has a built in SQL interface, so one can keep that table even inside a SQL interface. The per-run-
information then contains the run number, start/stop time, number of events, some run parameters and a "junk" 
flag. So if a run has a problem, one can set the junk flag by accessing the database (or text file) and setting this 
flag. In many cases you see that a run had a problem not at the end of the run, but a bit later. You mayby realize 
that the last two or three runs had the problem. With the run database approach, you can flag any run as "junk" 
later, which we need often, An edit-on-end would not make this possible.

So technically putting and edit-on-end is not a problem, but your life might be much easier if you use a run 
database as outlined above.

Best regards,
Stefan

We use the "Edit-on-start" and it's great.  But sometimes, something breaks
during the run, or you didn't realize you forgot to plug in a cable, or
whatever.  It'd be nice to have an "Edit-on-end" where you could prompt the user
to answer simple questions (like "Was this a good run?  [y/n]" or "Was the data
polarized?  [y/n]") and/or add a quick summary of what happened that run.


Thanks in advance,

Dan

> I'm trying to get a frontend running on an arduino yun single board computer
> (cpu is Atheros AR9331 and OS is a linux derivate
> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun )

What you want to do should be possible.

Here, the smallest machine we used to run a MIDAS frontend was a 300MHz PowerPC processor inside a 
Virtex4 FPGA with 256 Mbytes of RAM. Looks like your machine is a 400MHz MIPS with 64 Mbytes of RAM 
so there should be enough hardware available to run a MIDAS frontend underLinux.

One source of trouble could be if your MIPS CPU is running in big-endian mode (MIPS can do either big-
endian or little-endian). MIDAS supports big-endian frontends connecting to little-endian x86 PC hosts, 
but with big-endian machines getting less common, this code does not get much testing. If you run into 
trouble with this, please let us know and we will fix it for you.

> The idea is to use this device for some slow control for our experiment (ASACUSA
> Antihydrogen) we are using midas as main DAQ system and we would like to
> integrate the slow control with this small boards.

> My question is: How can I compile the midas library with the openwrt crosscompiler?

In the MIDAS Makefile, looks for the "crosscompile" target which we use to cross-build MIDAS for our 
PowerPC target using the regular GCC cross compiler chain. If you have very new MIDAS, you will also see 
some make targets for ARM Linux machines, also using GCC cross compilers.

> the system discspace is very limited (6 MB) therefore I don't want to have mysql, zlib an so on.

The MIDAS Makefile crosscompiler builds a very minimalistic version of MIDAS - no mysql, no sqlite, etc 
requirements for the MIDAS libraries and frontend. zlib may be required but it is not used by frontend 
code, so you may try to disable it.

If that is still too big, there is a possibility for building a super-minimal version of MIDAS just for running 
cross-compiled frontends. We use this function to build MIDAS for VxWorks. If you want to try that, I 
think it is not in the main Makefile, but in the VxWorks Makefile. Let me know if you want this and I can 
probable restore this function into the main Makefile fairly quickly.

> Do you have any suggestions on how to realize something like that?

1) cross compile MIDAS (see  the Makefile "make crosscompile" target)
2) cross compile your frontend
3) run it, with luck, it will fit into your 64 Mbytes of RAM

If you run into problems, please post them here (so other people can see the problems and the solutions)

K.O.

Hello,

I'm trying to get a frontend running on an arduino yun single board computer
(cpu is Atheros AR9331 and OS is a linux derivate
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun ) 

The idea is to use this device for some slow control for our experiment (ASACUSA
Antihydrogen) we are using midas as main DAQ system and we would like to
integrate the slow control with this small boards. My question is: How can I
compile the midas library with the openwrt crosscompiler? the system discspace
is very limited (6 MB) therefore I don't want to have mysql, zlib an so on.
Other software can be stored on an sd-card.

 In the end what I would need is only creating hotlinks to the odb on our server
to get and report the current and desired values.

Do you have any suggestions on how to realize something like that?

Thanks!