Hi Pierre,

Thanks for your instructions. Before I run the wavedump software, I need to load a driver file for A2818, thus I think I've got this interface of A2818.

I would be grateful to have a look at the frontend example used for v1720 (closer to v1721 I suppose), would you be so kind to offer me the Makefile as well? I
really want to have a compilable/executable DAQ frontend for vme modules, and know better how to link to CAEN library in the Makefile.

About hardware currently used in the vme crate(A2818), there is a VME controller(V2718, CONET VME Bridge), and a FADC(VX1721 waveform digitizer). I'm now preparing
this DAQ system to compare relative quantum efficiency, timing resolution, 1 pe distribution of photomultipliers, also measure decay time of cosmic muons, and
electron spectrum. Humbly, I want to know your opinion on whether I need additional hardware to finish these experiments.

Thanks,
Li

> Hi Li,
> 
> You mention that you've got the wavedump working. It suggests that you have a A3818 
> interface, can you confirm that?
> 
> If so, you can make a Midas frontend using the CAEN libraries to access your VX1721. I can provide you with a frontend example used for the V1720 or V1740. The 
> modifications for the VX1721 shouldn't be too hard as most of the CAEN digitizers 
> are fortunately based on a similar configuration mechanism.
> If you have a Midas CAMAC frontend, the trick would be to replace the CAMAC calls by 
> the appropriate CAENComm_xxx() for the equivalent functionality.
> 
> Can you remind me what hardware do you have in your lab for acquisition?
> CAMAC controller, VME controller etc.
> 
> Cheers, PAA
> 
> > Dear guys,
> > 
> > I’m Zhi Li from China, and I’m now working on my graduation project, which now
> > basically gets stuck in the part of preparing the frontend for my FADC (CAEN
> > VX1721) using Midas.
> > 
> > Now the current set-up includes a VME crate, a CAEN v2718 (Optical Bridge and
> > Controller) and a CAEN VX1721(8ch 8bit 500MS/s Waveform digitizer). The hardware
> > set-up has been finished and I could capture the analog waveform using CAEN
> > software(wavedump). 
> > 
> > Could anyone please tell me what are the basic things to do for using MIDAS?
> > I’ve installed MIDAS in PC and it works well for CAMAC, but do I need any extra
> > hardware module on using VME crate? Also, how to download
> > Universe-II VME driver?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Li

> > > odbedit can now save ODB in JSON-formatted files.
> encode NaN, Inf and -Inf as JSON string values "NaN", "Infinity" and "-Infinity". (Corresponding to the respective Javascript values).

A new standard just came out - Oasis OData JSON format 4.0 - 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/odata/odata-json-format/v4.0/os/odata-json-format-v4.0-os.html

Section 7.1 reads:

> Values of types [...] Edm.Single, Edm.Double, and Edm.Decimal are represented as JSON numbers, except for NaN, INF, and –INF which are represented as strings.

This is consistent with what we do in MIDAS - encode special numbers as strings. For now I think we stay with Javascript-standard "Infinity", "-Infinity",
but if more standards start using "INF", "-INF", maybe we will switch. It is easy enough to support both encodings in the JSON parser and in the ODB decoder.

https://xkcd.com/927/
K.O.

Hi Li,

You mention that you've got the wavedump working. It suggests that you have a A3818 
interface, can you confirm that?

If so, you can make a Midas frontend using the CAEN libraries to access your VX1721. I can provide you with a frontend example used for the V1720 or V1740. The 
modifications for the VX1721 shouldn't be too hard as most of the CAEN digitizers 
are fortunately based on a similar configuration mechanism.
If you have a Midas CAMAC frontend, the trick would be to replace the CAMAC calls by 
the appropriate CAENComm_xxx() for the equivalent functionality.

Can you remind me what hardware do you have in your lab for acquisition?
CAMAC controller, VME controller etc.

Cheers, PAA

> Dear guys,
> 
> I’m Zhi Li from China, and I’m now working on my graduation project, which now
> basically gets stuck in the part of preparing the frontend for my FADC (CAEN
> VX1721) using Midas.
> 
> Now the current set-up includes a VME crate, a CAEN v2718 (Optical Bridge and
> Controller) and a CAEN VX1721(8ch 8bit 500MS/s Waveform digitizer). The hardware
> set-up has been finished and I could capture the analog waveform using CAEN
> software(wavedump). 
> 
> Could anyone please tell me what are the basic things to do for using MIDAS?
> I’ve installed MIDAS in PC and it works well for CAMAC, but do I need any extra
> hardware module on using VME crate? Also, how to download
> Universe-II VME driver?
> 
> Thanks,
> Li

> The Windows executables are no longer included in the midas git repository. Old versions are still available in 
> the git repository - they got pulled in during conversion from svn.
> 
> One reason for removing them is that neither myself, nor Pierre, nor Stefan have ready access to a Windows 
> development environment and we cannot keep Windows binaries up to date. Theoretically we can setup a 
> Windows machine just for compiling MIDAS, but then there is a question of which Windows we should use and 
> how much priority we should put into it. I do not think there is any demand for MIDAS on Windows at TRIUMF.

I double checked and can confirm that the executables in GIT are very old. So I tried to compile the current version for Windows. I found that I had to change lots 
of places (basically all the new files written by KO) to make it work again, so it took me half a day, but now should be fine.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to keep .exe files in GIT, maybe we should remove it some day, but for the moment I updated the executables to the current 
version. Feedback welcome.

/Stefan

Dear guys,

I’m Zhi Li from China, and I’m now working on my graduation project, which now
basically gets stuck in the part of preparing the frontend for my FADC (CAEN
VX1721) using Midas.

Now the current set-up includes a VME crate, a CAEN v2718 (Optical Bridge and
Controller) and a CAEN VX1721(8ch 8bit 500MS/s Waveform digitizer). The hardware
set-up has been finished and I could capture the analog waveform using CAEN
software(wavedump). 

Could anyone please tell me what are the basic things to do for using MIDAS?
I’ve installed MIDAS in PC and it works well for CAMAC, but do I need any extra
hardware module on using VME crate? Also, how to download
Universe-II VME driver?

Thanks,
Li

> I stumbled over a problem which I cannot pin point and would appreciate suggestions.
> 
> [nemu@lem00 2014]$ odbedit -e nemu
> odbedit: src/odb.c:753: db_update_open_record: Assertion `xkey->notify_count == pkey-
>notify_count' failed.
> Aborted

I think this is a real bug in MIDAS - I will have to take a look to figure out where this is coming from. At the 
least, if I cannot replace the assert with some corrective action, I may replace it with an error message.

I am glad you could recover by reloading odb.

K.O.

> In the old SVN midas world it was typically such that the Windows dll's and
> exe's were ready to be used when checking out.

The Windows executables are no longer included in the midas git repository. Old versions are still available in 
the git repository - they got pulled in during conversion from svn.

One reason for removing them is that neither myself, nor Pierre, nor Stefan have ready access to a Windows 
development environment and we cannot keep Windows binaries up to date. Theoretically we can setup a 
Windows machine just for compiling MIDAS, but then there is a question of which Windows we should use and 
how much priority we should put into it. I do not think there is any demand for MIDAS on Windows at TRIUMF.

(Personally, I think Windows is no longer a viable platform for any business use - with Microsoft focusing on 
"experiences", "tiles", touch screens, portable devices, and other gimmicks - rather than on providing a solid OS 
to get work done)

> I am not so sure this is the case
> for the current version, since when I use the packed dll's  and exe's (e.g.
> odbedit.exe) I get the warning that this is running midas 2.0.0 but the current
> version (on the linux server) is 2.1. What does this mean?

You can ignore this message. Stefan incremented the MIDAS version when we migrated to git, but
there are no changes to the MIDAS RPC mechanism and we are still fully compatible with old versions,
at least in the MIDAS RPC and in the mserver.

So tools like odbedit.exe should still work okey when connecting from Windows to MIDAS running on Linux or 
MacOS.

But old frontend programs may cause some trouble because the ODB layout changed somewhat with new things 
added to /eq/xxx/common. Simplest is to try, if it works, it works.

> 1) A little bug in the packed windows part, but up-to-date dll's and exe's?
> 2) The dll's and exe's are not bundled any more to up-to-date version?

Case (2) is the case. Personally I do not have any capability to build Windows binaries. Same for Pierre and I think 
for Stefan.

> If 2) is the case, I would like to get a hint how to build midas under Windows
> (Windows 7), since we still have some few Windows clients.  

I do not think pre-built executables will ever return - the new way of things is to "cut-and-paste" the "git clone" 
command from a web page, type "make", and be done with it. If your OS does not have "git", "make" & etc, you 
should switch to a real OS.

On the MIDAS software side, we have no problem with supporting Windows - same as on any other platform, 
please try to build and run it, report any problems, fixes, patches and improvements - we will commit them into 
the midas repository.

K.O.

The midas wiki at https://midas.triumf.ca was updated to mediawiki 1.22.4 - the latest production version. 
If you see any problems, please report them to this elog. K.O.

In the old SVN midas world it was typically such that the Windows dll's and
exe's were ready to be used when checking out. I am not so sure this is the case
for the current version, since when I use the packed dll's  and exe's (e.g.
odbedit.exe) I get the warning that this is running midas 2.0.0 but the current
version (on the linux server) is 2.1.

What does this mean?

1) A little bug in the packed windows part, but up-to-date dll's and exe's?
2) The dll's and exe's are not bundled any more to up-to-date version?

If 2) is the case, I would like to get a hint how to build midas under Windows
(Windows 7), since we still have some few Windows clients.  

16:07:06 [Logger,INFO] Program Logger on host lem00 started
[local:nemu:S]/>q
[nemu@lem00 2014]$ odbedit -e nemu
odbedit: src/odb.c:753: db_update_open_record: Assertion `xkey->notify_count == pkey->notify_count' failed.
Aborted

I put mhttpd.css and mhttpd.js into the ODB, so every experiment can change it. I put also Andreas' modifications of the CSS file for the runlog table and 
committed the changes.

/Stefan

> Works, and here is how I did it. The attached example is based on the standard MIDAS
> example in "src/midas/examples/experiment". 

If you have such huge events, it does not make sense to put them into the ODB. The size needs to be increased (as 
you realized correctly) and the run stop takes long if you write last.xml. So just remove the RO_ODB flag in the 
frontend program and you won't have these problems.

/Stefan

Works, and here is how I did it. The attached example is based on the standard MIDAS
example in "src/midas/examples/experiment". 

My somewhat unsorted notes, haven't really tweaked the numbers. But it WORKS.

(1) mlogger writes "last.xml" (hard-coded!) which takes an awful amount of time
    as it writes the complete ODB containing the 10MB bank!
    just outcomment 
       // odb_save("last.xml");
    in mlogger.cxx, function 
    INT tr_start(INT run_number, char *error)
    (line ~3870 in mlogger rev. 5377, .cxx-file included)

(2) frontend.c:
     * the most important declarations are

/* BIG_DATA_BYTES is the data in 1 bank
   BIG_EVENT_SIZE is the event size. It's a bit larger than the bank size
                  because MIDAS needs to add some header bytes, I think
 */

#define BIG_DATA_BYTES  (10*1024*1024)   // 10 MB
#define BIG_EVENT_SIZE  (BIG_DATA_BYTES + 100)

/* maximum event size produced by this frontend */
INT max_event_size = BIG_EVENT_SIZE;

/* maximum event size for fragmented events (EQ_FRAGMENTED) */
INT max_event_size_frag = 5 * BIG_EVENT_SIZE;

/* buffer size to hold 10 events */
INT event_buffer_size = 10 * BIG_EVENT_SIZE;


     * bk_init() can hold at most 32kByte size events! Use bk_init32() instead.

     * complete frontend.c is attached

(3) in an xterm do
    # . setup.sh
    # odbedit -s 41943040
          (first invocation of odbedit must create large enough odb,
           otherwise you'll get "odb full" errors)
(4) odbedit> load big.odb      
    (attached). Essentials are:

    /Experiment/MAX_EVENT_SIZE = 20971520
    /Experiment/Buffer sizes/SYSTEM = 41943040   <- at least 2 events!

    To avoid excessive latecies when starting/stopping a run, do
    /Logger/ODB Dump = no 
    /Logger/Channels/0/Settings/ODB Dump = no 
     
    and create an Equipment Tree to make the mlogger happy

(5) a few more xterms, always ". setup.sh":
    # mlogger_patched (see (1))
    # ./frontend  (attched)

(6) in your odbedit (4) say "start". You should fill your disk rather quickly.

 > If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd.

I agree that this should be removed, Unfortunately I'm away right now, so I will fix it next week. Also will put in 
Andreas' diffs.

/Stefan

Understand me right, I mostly like the new style, except the runlog as reported.
Attached you will find the diff's you were asking for. But as pointed out, I
haven't worked so far on CSS and hence this should be checked!!

I understand that the mhttpd.js needs to be the default one, however, mhttpd.css
might be left to the end-user to adopt to their specific needs. I shortly
checked in the mhttpd demon. It checks for the resources path in the ODB. If it
also would check for a CSS name, mhttpd.css could be changed/adopted by the
end-users without breaking things (at least it would then be their one business).

> > If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd.
> 
> mhttpd.css is served from $MIDASSYS/resources/mhttpd.css. The actual path is
reported on the mhttpd 
> "help" page.
> 
> (I think the internal mhttpd.css and mhttpd.js should be removed as no longer
useful - nothing will work 
> right if the real mhttpd.js and mhttpd.css cannot be served).
> 
> > Especially the look and feel of the runlog is unsatisfactorily from my point
of view.
> 
> persons in charge of implementing the CSS stuff failed to convert quite a few
pages, for example, the elog 
> and the history editor pages were left completely broken. (mostly fixed now).
> 
> so thank you for reporting the runlog breakage, I hope Stefan & co can fix it
quickly. (I cannot do - I have 
> have no runlog pages on any of my test experiments).
> 
> > the old style was much more readable.
> 
> I think the new style is not too bad, except for a few visual artefacts here
and there, the general comment 
> that CSS is too complicated and hard to debug and the fact that over-subtle
colouring yields inconsistent 
> visuals between different monitors and ambient lighting conditions. (persons
who select the colours always 
> respond that "but to me, it looks just fine on my laptop", making it hard to
resolve any issues).
> 
> > I could recover the old style look and feel by slightly changing the mhttpd.cxx
> 
> If you post the patches that fix it for you, I can commit them to midas. (git
diff | mail olchansk@triumf.ca).
> 
> K.O.

> > 
> > I don't know if this actually fits the Bug Report category. I've been trying to install Midas on my Mac OS 
> > Mavericks and I keep getting errors like "conflicting types for '___builtin____strlcpy_chk' ..." and similarly for 
> > strlcat. I googled a bit and I think the problem might be that in Mavericks strlcat and strlcpy are already 
> > defined in string.h, and so there might be a redundant definition somewhere. I'm not sure what the best 
> > way to fix this would be though. Any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> 
> We have run into this problem - MacOS 10.9 plays funny games with definitions of strlcpy() & co - and it has been fixed since last Summer.
> 
> For the record, current MIDAS builds just fine on MacOS 10.9.2.
> 
> For a pure test, try the instructions posted at midas.triumf.ca:
> 
> cd $HOME
> mkdir packages
> cd packages
> git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas
> git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mscb
> git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mxml
> cd midas
> make
> 
> K.O.

Thanks, it works like a charm now! I must have obtained an outdated version of Midas.

Andre

> 
> I don't know if this actually fits the Bug Report category. I've been trying to install Midas on my Mac OS 
> Mavericks and I keep getting errors like "conflicting types for '___builtin____strlcpy_chk' ..." and similarly for 
> strlcat. I googled a bit and I think the problem might be that in Mavericks strlcat and strlcpy are already 
> defined in string.h, and so there might be a redundant definition somewhere. I'm not sure what the best 
> way to fix this would be though. Any help would be appreciated.
> 

We have run into this problem - MacOS 10.9 plays funny games with definitions of strlcpy() & co - and it has been fixed since last Summer.

For the record, current MIDAS builds just fine on MacOS 10.9.2.

For a pure test, try the instructions posted at midas.triumf.ca:

cd $HOME
mkdir packages
cd packages
git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas
git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mscb
git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mxml
cd midas
make

K.O.

> If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd.

mhttpd.css is served from $MIDASSYS/resources/mhttpd.css. The actual path is reported on the mhttpd 
"help" page.

(I think the internal mhttpd.css and mhttpd.js should be removed as no longer useful - nothing will work 
right if the real mhttpd.js and mhttpd.css cannot be served).

> Especially the look and feel of the runlog is unsatisfactorily from my point of view.

persons in charge of implementing the CSS stuff failed to convert quite a few pages, for example, the elog 
and the history editor pages were left completely broken. (mostly fixed now).

so thank you for reporting the runlog breakage, I hope Stefan & co can fix it quickly. (I cannot do - I have 
have no runlog pages on any of my test experiments).

> the old style was much more readable.

I think the new style is not too bad, except for a few visual artefacts here and there, the general comment 
that CSS is too complicated and hard to debug and the fact that over-subtle colouring yields inconsistent 
visuals between different monitors and ambient lighting conditions. (persons who select the colours always 
respond that "but to me, it looks just fine on my laptop", making it hard to resolve any issues).

> I could recover the old style look and feel by slightly changing the mhttpd.cxx

If you post the patches that fix it for you, I can commit them to midas. (git diff | mail olchansk@triumf.ca).

K.O.