> Hi, I have three naive questions about this:

all good questions, ask more of them.

>  - have you posted somewhere this guide about converting C frontends to C++?

yes, in this elog here I posted a guide for converting C mfe.c frontends to C++ and
a guide for converting mfe.c frontend to C++ TMFE frontend. please use the "find" function,
if you cannot find them, let me know, I will look for it for you.

>  - it was mentioned previously that there will be a 'tag the last "C" midas', which version is it?

correct. please run "git tag", tags before "midas-2019-05-cxx"is "C", after is "C++".

>  - it means that even a simple example like odb_test.c cannot be compile anymore? Even when using g++?
> g++ -I $HOME/daq/packages/midas/include/ -L $HOME/daq/packages/midas/lib/ odb_test.c -l midas
> is expected to fail or is just me glitching? Is it because of thread library differences?

yes, it is expected to fail, you have spaces after "-I", "-L" and "-l", incorrect g++ command syntax. after
correcting this, it may or may not work depending on what you have inside odb_test.c. I would be happy
to help you debug this, but please start a separate thread instead of necroposting into the C++ announcements.

K.O.

> In ALPHA, I get RPC timeouts running a (reasonably heavy) analyzer on a remote machine (connected directly via a ~30 meter 10Gbe Ethernet cable) after ~5 minutes of running. If I run the analyser locally, I dont not see a timeout...

there is a subtle bug in the mserver. under rare conditions, ss_suspend() will recurse in an unexpected way
and mserver will go to sleep waiting for data from a udp socket (that will never arrive, so sleep forever).
remote client will see it as an rpc timeout. in my tests (and in ALPHA-g at CERN, as reported by Joseph),
I see this rare condition to happen about every 5 minutes. in normal use, this is the first time we become
aware of this problem, the best I can tell this bug was in the mserver since day one.

commit https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/fbd06ad9d665b1341bd58b0e28d6625877f3cbd0
to develop and
to release/midas-2022-05

The stack trace that shows the mserver hang/crash (sleep() is the stand-in for the sleep-forever socket read).

(gdb) bt
#0  0x00007f922c53f9e0 in __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x00007f922c53f894 in sleep () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#2  0x0000000000451922 in ss_suspend (millisec=millisec@entry=100, msg=msg@entry=1) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/system.cxx:4433
#3  0x0000000000411d53 in bm_wait_for_more_events_locked (pbuf_guard=..., pc=pc@entry=0x7f920639b93c, timeout_msec=timeout_msec@entry=100, 
    unlock_read_cache=unlock_read_cache@entry=1) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:9429
#4  0x00000000004238c3 in bm_fill_read_cache_locked (timeout_msec=100, pbuf_guard=...) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:9003
#5  bm_read_buffer (pbuf=pbuf@entry=0xdf8b50, buffer_handle=buffer_handle@entry=2, bufptr=bufptr@entry=0x0, buf=buf@entry=0x7f9203d75020, 
    buf_size=buf_size@entry=0x7f920639aa20, vecptr=vecptr@entry=0x0, timeout_msec=timeout_msec@entry=100, convert_flags=0, 
    dispatch=dispatch@entry=0) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:10279
#6  0x0000000000424161 in bm_receive_event (buffer_handle=2, destination=0x7f9203d75020, buf_size=0x7f920639aa20, timeout_msec=100)
    at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:10649
#7  0x0000000000406ae4 in rpc_server_dispatch (index=11111, prpc_param=0x7ffcad70b7a0) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/progs/mserver.cxx:575
#8  0x000000000041ce9c in rpc_execute (sock=10, buffer=buffer@entry=0xe11570 "g+", convert_flags=0)
    at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:15003
#9  0x000000000041d7a5 in rpc_server_receive_rpc (idx=idx@entry=0, sa=0xde6ba0) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:15958
#10 0x0000000000451455 in ss_suspend (millisec=millisec@entry=1000, msg=msg@entry=0) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/system.cxx:4575
#11 0x000000000041deb2 in rpc_server_loop () at /home/agmini/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:15907
#12 0x0000000000405266 in main (argc=9, argv=<optimized out>) at /home/agmini/packages/midas/progs/mserver.cxx:390
(gdb) 

K.O.

There is a release branch for midas-2022-05 and corresponding git tag midas-2022-
05-b. This branch is known to be stable and is working well for the ALPHA 
experiment at CERN. Latest update to this branch fixes two problems in the 
mserver (rpc timeout and a use-after-free internal error).

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/branch/release/midas-2022-05
K.O.

reporting that as of commit 78f707c0686d22f8329c7a1f1c46d7dccf35ceff, midas builds 
without errors or warnings on Ubuntu LTS 22.04, 20.04, CentOS-7 and MacOS 12.4. 
(except for some warnings from mscb and msc). K.O.

> git pull --recurse-submodules
> git submodule update --init --recursive
> git config submodule.recurse true

does not work for me, macos 12.4 git 2.32.1.

after I set "submodule.recurse true", I still have to type "git submodule update --
init --recursive", without --recursive, mscb/mxml is empty and the build bombs.

P.S. the underlying issue is that the mxml submodule is now included twice 
(midas/mxml and midas/mscb/mxml) and there is nothing to enforce that both copies are 
the same. (No idea what happens if the two mxml's are different).

while testing the new odb editor, we ran into a number of problems with key names 
that start or end with spaces. we cannot think of any valid use case for such key 
names (subdirectories and variables) and we think they could only have been 
created by mistake. ODB now disallows such names. K.O.

> > > Firefox is hanging/becoming unresponsive due to javascript code.
> 
> The URL (reachable only within PSI) is http://lem03.psi.ch:8081/?cmd=custom&page=Mudas

so malfunction is not in the midas history page, but in a custom page. I could help you debug it,
but you would have to provide the complete source code (javascript and html).

> Firefox is version 91.12.0esr (64-bit), but I had similar issues with chrome/chromium too.

my firefox is 103.something. when you say google-chrome has "similar issues",
I read it as "google-chrome does not show this same bug, but shows some other
bug somewhere else". (if I misread you, you have to write better).

but this gives you a front to attack your bugs. basically all browsers should render your
custom page exactly the same (unless you use some obscure or experimental feature, which I
recommend against).

so you tweak your page to identify the source of different rendering results, and try to eliminate it,
hopefully by the time you get your page render exactly the same everywhere, all the real bugs
have gotten shaken out, too. (this is similar to debugging a c++ program by compiling
it on linux, mac, windows, vax, raspbery pi, etc and checking that you get the same result everywhere).

> The hangs seem to happen randomly so I have not been able to reproduce it yet.

I find that javascript debuggers are not setup to debug hangs. I think debugger runs partially
inside the same javascript engine you are debugging, so both hang and debugging is impossible.

(latest google-chrome has another improvement, all pages from the same computer run in the same
javascript engine, so if one midas page stops (on exception or because I debug it), all midas pages
stop and I have to run two different browsers if I want to debug (i.e.) a history page crash
and look at odb at the same time. fun).

K.O.

serious (but rare) bug was fixed in the history reader. unlucky experiment would see 
errors about "Detected duplicate or non-monotonous data" in some history file, fixed by 
removing/renaming the offending file. (reported by MEG experiment)

it turns out there was nothing wrong with the data files (good), but there
was a nasty bug in the history reader. it did not ensure that we read history
files in chronological order. under some conditions order of files could be
reversed, older files would be read after newer files and trip the built-in
protection against returning non-monotonically increasing history data to the user.

fixed commit 
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/9893f85ebe33e96cc63f501a0f89e1f8932c894d

for more details, see https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/issues/350/file-history-non-
monotonic-time

K.O.

> serious (but rare) bug was fixed in the history reader.

previous fix was incomplete. please update to git commit
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/b343c3c98e4e6fd00a00cf686c74c7ccc6da0c63

K.O.

> > midas currently does not compile on linux
> > fix is to give open in midas/examples/lowlevel/split.cxx a default mode, e.g. 006600

I got more warnings from split.cxx, looked at the code and see so many problems that it is easier
to delete it than it is to fix it.

Check for end of file is done incorrectly (check for read() return 0, -1 or short read),
memory overrun if given file name is longer than 80 bytes, no check for valid event length
read from the file, and so on and so on.

A better example for reading and writing midas files is in midasio/test_midasio.cxx. Proper c++ coding, and can read compressed files.

K.O.

> > serious (but rare) bug was fixed in the history reader.
> previous fix was incomplete. please update to git commit
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/b343c3c98e4e6fd00a00cf686c74c7ccc6da0c63

a race condition between reading history file in mhttpd and writing history file in 
mlogger was accidentally introduced. mhttpd would file spurious errors about "timestamp 
is after last timestamp".

fixed, please update to git commit
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/7a9f6e0c58ffddcacb9ee19934ce3e2033a805ef

fix race condition in history file reader - a race condition was added accidentally - 
first the reader remembers the history file size and the time of the last entry, then it 
goes to read the file and bombs if at the same time mlogger added more entries - their 
time is after the remembered time of last entry and error "timestamp is after last 
timestamp" is triggered.

K.O.

> some minutes ago I published a PR for PostgreSQL support I developed
> at INFN-Napoli for Darkside experiment...
> 
> I don't know if you receive a notification about this PR and in doubt
> I wrote this message...

Hi, Gennaro, thank you for the very useful contribution. I saw the previous version 
of your pull request and everything looked quite good. But that pull request was 
for an older version of midas and it would not have applied cleanly to the current 
version. I will take a look at your updated pull request. In theory it should only 
add the Postgres class and modify a few other places in history_schema.cxx and have 
no changes to anything else. (if you need those changes, it should be a separate 
pull request).

Also I am curious what benefits and drawbacks of Postgres vs mysql/mariadb you have 
observed for storing and using midas history data.

K.O.

midas bitbucket repository had a spam attack, about 40 spam messages were posted 
into the issues. I was able to delete them manually. No idea how they got past 
bitbucket spam filters and if they are spam or an attack against automated issue 
tracker tools or an attack against the repo owner (who is vulnerable as they rush 
in to deal with the spam). if this happens again, "anonymous issues" may have to 
be disabled, bitbucket login required. K.O.

> I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this query

this might be the right place, depending.

> I'm having a little bit of trouble with the setup of a Midas system ...
> inherited after the previous guy ...

a rather major problem, but a typical situation.

> There was a point at which it was working.

this is very good. if it worked before, there is good chance it will work again.

> And then there was an unrelated issue in the electrical system which, as a side effect,
> meant that the building lost power for a time, and the entire system had to be rebooted.
> No problem, I thought. I'll just reset and restart all of the software...
> ...and I can't seem to get it to work.

this happens often enough. several things are likely to happen:
- unexpected software updates, i.e. new linux kernel was installed but inactive, waiting for a reboot
- hardware failures, i.e. we usually see blown up power supplies. check that all VME crate voltages are okey. (ask me how).
- firmware corruption, i.e. we have seen VME modules lose their firmware after power outage, had to be reloaded by jtag

> I keep getting the error message "mvme_read_value: Could not perform read!: Bad address".

this is a generic error, it does not mean that software suddenly is trying to read from wrong address.

> I imagine that there is something that needs to be set, twiddled, tweaked, or turned on in the driver. The output of 'lsmod | grep vme' is:
> vmedriver             117742  0

this is not the vme driver we use at TRIUMF, so I am not familiar with it's errors. we use the vme_tsi148 driver and the vme_universe driver. (ask me about them).

> so presumably the driver is at least *present*, even if I have no idea how to twiddle anything on it.

could be the wrong version of the driver or the wrong version of the linux kernel. worth checking log files
to see if kernel and driver version numbers are the same.

> Could anyone perhaps suggest a way forward?

Yes. You will have to tell me much more about your system. You can do this publicly here or privately by email to olchansk@triumf.ca

To start, I need to know your VME setup, what is the crate, what is the VME processor, what OS you run, what VME driver you use, what VME modules you have installed.

K.O.

> midas bitbucket repository had a spam attack, about 40 spam messages were posted 
> into the issues. I was able to delete them manually. No idea how they got past 
> bitbucket spam filters and if they are spam or an attack against automated issue 
> tracker tools or an attack against the repo owner (who is vulnerable as they rush 
> in to deal with the spam). if this happens again, "anonymous issues" may have to 
> be disabled, bitbucket login required. K.O.

Two more spam messages, deleted. "Anonymous users can create issues" is now turned off.

K.O.

> > midas bitbucket repository had a spam attack, about 40 spam messages were posted 
> > into the issues. I was able to delete them manually. No idea how they got past 
> > bitbucket spam filters and if they are spam or an attack against automated issue 
> > tracker tools or an attack against the repo owner (who is vulnerable as they rush 
> > in to deal with the spam). if this happens again, "anonymous issues" may have to 
> > be disabled, bitbucket login required. K.O.
> 
> Two more spam messages, deleted. "Anonymous users can create issues" is now turned off.

Also, same for: rootana.
Also, empty issue trackers disabled: mvodb, midasio, mscb.

K.O.

Forwarded from the T2K/ND280 elog:

Author              : Nick Hastings
Subject             : Many warning from ten year old variables in ODB
Logbook URL         : http://elog.nd280.org/elog/FGD/2553

Midas does period checks that the variables in the ODB are ok.
One of these is a check to see if each variable was set with +/- 10
years. Since this experiment has been running for longer than 10
years there are *many* variables that fail this check.

As a result the midas.log and messages in mhttpd are spammed
with many warnings. Eg

Mon Feb 13 14:49:18 2023 [ODBEdit,ERROR] [odb.c:548:db_validate_key,ERROR] Warning: invalid access time, key 
"/System/Prompt", time 1288763123

These can be removed by simply setting the variable again with its current value.

So I wonder if it would be best to just do a full odbdump and then load all the values
back in. Comments from MIDAS experts would be appreciated. Eg:

odbedit -c 'save fgddaq.odb'
odbedit -c 'load fgddaq.odb'

Note this problem is currently seen on both the FGD DAQ and the global slow control MIDAS instances.
It may also be a problem on the INGRID GSC and the DAQs of other ND280 systems but I did not check.

> I'm trying to setup Midas with the Caen vx2740 VME digitizer board.

welcome to the world of daq and midas! Ben already answered and he will help you with this specific hardware. (we work together)

> #0  0x00005555555c2ee1 in rpc_register_function (id=id@entry=18000, func=func@entry=0x5555555a2790 <jrpc_helper(int, void**)>)
>     at /home/astrocent/workspace/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:11947

I look at this line in midas and I do not see any problems other than all functions that touch rpc_list are not thread safe,
and calling them at the same time as rpc calls are active will cause memory corruption and crash. This is not a problem
in most programs because rpc_register_function() is usually called once at the beginning of everything, before any RPCs
are received, sent or processed. I filed a bug against this problem. https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/issues/362/rpc_list-is-not-thread-safe

> with is "jrpc"?

I implemented it years ago to allow web pages to call mhttpd (XHR/HTTP) to call user frontends (MIDAS RPC) to perform real-time actions,
i.e. to turn power supplied on or off. "j" stands for "json", but most experiments send very simple commands
and do not use json encoding.

K.O.

> > I agree, I think we can safely bump the limit from 100 Mbytes to 1 Gbyte, maybe 1.5 or 
> > 1.99 Gbytes. Above that we run into 32-bit/31-bit cleanliness problems.
>
> We just went in and changed: int odb_size_limit = INT_MAX;//100*1000*1000; in odb.cxx.
>

This is change is wrong. As I wrote, ODB is not 64-bit clean and it is not 32-bit clean. We think is is 31-bit clean, so maximum size would be slightly less than 2 Gbytes.

> And we could create ODBs with 1GB and 1.5 GB.

Congratulations. created != "it works". for proper test, you should fill it with 1.5 GB of stuff, save to json file, reload from json file, save to a different json file and compare that they have same contents (minus timestamps).

We could spend a lot of time making odb 32-bit clean and give you 4GB-max ODB, but would it be useful? For large ODB, "save to .json" already takes a long time ("save to .xml" is slower, "save to .odb" ditto, also buggy). We already have complaints that runs take forever to start because mlogger 
takes a long time to write the ODB save file.

P.S. 64-bit clean ODB will be binary incompatible, all internal pointers are 32-bit right now.

K.O.

> H
> /home/mu3e/midas/include/odbxx.h:1102: Wrong key type in XML file
> Stack trace:
> 1   0x00000000000042D828 (null) + 4380712
> 2   0x00000000000048ED4D midas::odb::odb_from_xml(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) + 605
> 3   0x0000000000004999BD midas::odb::odb(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) + 317
> 4   0x000000000000495383 midas::odb::read_key(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) + 1459
> 5   0x0000000000004971E3 midas::odb::connect(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, bool, bool) + 259
> 6   0x000000000000497636 midas::odb::connect(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, bool, bool) + 502
> 7   0x00000000000049883B midas::odb::connect_and_fix_structure(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >) + 171
> 8   0x0000000000004385EF setup_odb() + 8351
> 9   0x00000000000043B2E6 frontend_init() + 22
> 10  0x000000000000433304 main + 1540
> 11  0x0000007F8C6FE3724D __libc_start_main + 239
> 12  0x000000000000433F7A _start + 42
> 
> Aborted (core dumped)
> 
> 
> We have the same problem for all our frontends. When we want to start them locally they work. Starting them locally with ./frontend -h localhost also reproduces the error above.
> 
> The error can also be reproduced with the odbxx_test.cxx example in the midas repo by replacing line 22 in midas/examples/odbxx/odbxx_test.cxx (cm_connect_experiment(NULL, NULL, "test", NULL);) with cm_connect_experiment("localhost", "Mu3e", "test", NULL); (Put the name of the experiment instead of "Mu3e")
> 
> running odbxx_test locally gives us then the same error as our other frontend.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Martin