lazylogger was updated to improve handling of the list of runs still on disk
(odb /Lazy/xxx/List).

Previously, each and every run was listed in the List arrays. With modern
Terabyte-sized data disks, many many days worth of runs tend to remain on disk
and these List arrays were getting too big, inflating the size of ODB dumps
written by mlogger into the output data file and slowing down starting and
stopping of runs considerably.

Now, the runs are listed as ranges of "first run" - "last run", (see example below).

This significantly reduces the size of the "List" arrays and makes lazylogger
usable for the ALPHA experiment at CERN and for T2K/ND280 prototype DAQ at
TRIUMF (writing to Castor and Dcache respectively, using the newly added
"Script" method).

The new List format is fully compatible with the old format and you can update
and run the new lazylogger without changing anything in ODB. New runs will be
added to the List arrays in the new format and data in the old format will
eventually go away as old runs are removed from disk.

svn revision 4394.
K.O.

Example: this reads like this:
range from 7100 to 7154
range from 7157 to 7161 (7155-7156 are missing)
range from 7163 to 7168 (7162 is missing)
runs 7170, 7173, 7176
range from 7179 to 7182
and so forth.

ODB /Lazy/Dcache/List
007100
[0] 7100 (0x1BBC)
[1] -7154 (0xFFFFE40E)
[2] 7157 (0x1BF5)
[3] -7161 (0xFFFFE407)
[4] 7163 (0x1BFB)
[5] -7168 (0xFFFFE400)
[6] 7170 (0x1C02)
[7] 7173 (0x1C05)
[8] 7176 (0x1C08)
[9] 7179 (0x1C0B)
[10] -7182 (0xFFFFE3F2)
[11] 7184 (0x1C10)
[12] 7188 (0x1C14)
[13] -7199 (0xFFFFE3E1)
007200
[0] 7200 (0x1C20)
[1] -7225 (0xFFFFE3C7)

compiling:
----------

The compile option -DHAVE_FTPLIB checked in mdsupport.cxx disappeared if you 
compile with cmake.

I added:

  add_compile_options(-DHAVE_FTPLIB)

to CMakeLists.txt to fix this. Can probably be done in a more elegant way 
(checking if the right libraries exist?).

running:
-------

Our MAX_EVENT_SIZE is set in the odb to 805306368. This number is also used in 

  INT lazy_copy(char *outfile, char *infile, int max_event_size)

this is to big when copying with ftp, causing a crash. Reducing it here with a 
factor 10 solves our problems.

> The compile option -DHAVE_FTPLIB checked in mdsupport.cxx disappeared if you 
> compile with cmake.

Hi, Stefan - do we still need to support FTP in the logger? In the lazylogger, special support for 
FTP is not needed, they can you the "script" method and do FTP without our help.

I move to remove FTP support from MIDAS. (second? other opinions?)

> Our MAX_EVENT_SIZE is set in the odb to 805306368. This number is also used in 
> this is to big when copying with ftp, causing a crash. Reducing it here with a 
> factor 10 solves our problems.

I am surprised that changing MAX_EVENT_SIZE (to a "too big" value) causes lazylogger to 
crash. More usually MAX_EVENT_SIZE has no effect until you try to write an event that is 
somehow "too big", then there is a crash. Perhaps there is a bug specifically in the FTP code.

Anyhow, I recommend the solution of using the "script" method. We have example lazylogger 
scripts in midas/progs/lazy*.perl (the scripts do not have to be in perl, python is ok). We do
not have any example that uses FTP because we do not use FTP for data storage. But you can
easily adapt lazy_test.perl and lazy_copy.perl to use scp and sftp, the secure versions of FTP.

K.O.

> > The compile option -DHAVE_FTPLIB checked in mdsupport.cxx disappeared if you 
> > compile with cmake.
> 
> Hi, Stefan - do we still need to support FTP in the logger? In the lazylogger, special support for 
> FTP is not needed, they can you the "script" method and do FTP without our help.
> 
> I move to remove FTP support from MIDAS. (second? other opinions?)

I oppose to remove FTP support from lazylogger. We still use it heavily at PSI. In comparison to the "script" method, it 
shows the current speed in MB/s which helps us to diagnose some network problem by writing this number into the 
history. The "script" method only give you an integral transfer speed after a file has be completely written.

I'm however not sure who FTP is used in lazylogger. It goes into mdsupport.cxx and I seem to remember that Pierre 
wrote the FTP code by hand, so no external library is necessary.

Stefan

> > > The compile option -DHAVE_FTPLIB checked in mdsupport.cxx disappeared if you 
> > > compile with cmake.
> > 
> > Hi, Stefan - do we still need to support FTP in the logger? In the lazylogger, special support for 
> > FTP is not needed, they can you the "script" method and do FTP without our help.
> > 
> > I move to remove FTP support from MIDAS. (second? other opinions?)
> 
> I oppose to remove FTP support from lazylogger.

Confirmed. FTP support in lazylogger stays.

K.O.

With latest midas, I see this:

Thu Oct 14 19:31:17 2004 [Lazy_Tape] [lazylogger.c:1717:Lazy] lazy_file_exists
file run17567.ybs doesn't exists
Thu Oct 14 19:31:27 2004 [Lazy_Tape] [lazylogger.c:1717:Lazy] lazy_file_exists
file run17567.ybs doesn't exists

The file run17567.ybs has size zero:

-rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      950272 Oct 13 19:29
/twist/data_onl/current/run17565.ybs
-rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      950272 Oct 13 19:45
/twist/data_onl/current/run17566.ybs
-rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users           0 Oct 13 20:00
/twist/data_onl/current/run17567.ybs
-rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      983040 Oct 13 20:03
/twist/data_onl/current/run17568.ybs
-rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      950272 Oct 13 20:26
/twist/data_onl/current/run17569.ybs

I am not sure how to fix this lazylogger logic. Please help.

K.O.

I now have a better understanding of this: lazylogger uses ss_file_size() to find
out if a file exists or not. This function used to return 0 (probably) for
non-existant files (there was no check for error status from stat() system call,
so the return value for non-existant files was never well defined).

With ss_file_size() returning 0 for nonexistant files, 0-size files clearly cause
problems to lazylogger.

Now, since svn revision 4397, ss_file_size() returns -1 for non-existant files,
but lazylogger still needs to be tought about this.

The problem "lazylogger does not like 0-size files" remains for now.

K.O.


> With latest midas, I see this:
> 
> Thu Oct 14 19:31:17 2004 [Lazy_Tape] [lazylogger.c:1717:Lazy] lazy_file_exists
> file run17567.ybs doesn't exists
> Thu Oct 14 19:31:27 2004 [Lazy_Tape] [lazylogger.c:1717:Lazy] lazy_file_exists
> file run17567.ybs doesn't exists
> 
> The file run17567.ybs has size zero:
> 
> -rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      950272 Oct 13 19:29
> /twist/data_onl/current/run17565.ybs
> -rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      950272 Oct 13 19:45
> /twist/data_onl/current/run17566.ybs
> -rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users           0 Oct 13 20:00
> /twist/data_onl/current/run17567.ybs
> -rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      983040 Oct 13 20:03
> /twist/data_onl/current/run17568.ybs
> -rw-r--r--    1 twistonl users      950272 Oct 13 20:26
> /twist/data_onl/current/run17569.ybs
> 
> I am not sure how to fix this lazylogger logic. Please help.
> 
> K.O.

Hi All,

I've installed midas (Rev:5294) on SLC6.3 (64bit), along with recent trunk versions of rootana and roody. 
All the packages compiled OK. The example code in $MIDASSYS/examples/experiment also runs OK 
provided that I don't launch roody. If I try to launch roody, then it immediately crashes the analyzer with 
the following trace:

#6 root_server_thread (arg=ox7f54fc001150) at src/mana.c:5154
#7 0x0000003219a1e13a in TThread::Function(void*) () from /usr/lib64/root/libThread.so.5.28
#8 0x0000003dd1207851 in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#9 0x0000003dd0ee76dd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6

The line src/mana.c:5154 points to the following:

TObject *obj;
            if (strncmp(request + 10, "Any", 3) == 0)
               obj = folder->FindObjectAny(request + 14);
            else
               obj = folder->FindObject(request + 11);    // LINE 5154


Any suggestions on what may be going on here?  Thanks.


Cheng-Ju

OK, I've found the solution in the roody forum.  The solution for 64bit machine is to replace
   uint32_t p =0;
   with
   uintptr_t p =0;

in the roody header file roody/include/DataSourceTNetFolder.h

Cheng-Ju



> Hi All,
> 
> I've installed midas (Rev:5294) on SLC6.3 (64bit), along with recent trunk versions of rootana and roody. 
> All the packages compiled OK. The example code in $MIDASSYS/examples/experiment also runs OK 
> provided that I don't launch roody. If I try to launch roody, then it immediately crashes the analyzer with 
> the following trace:
> 
> #6 root_server_thread (arg=ox7f54fc001150) at src/mana.c:5154
> #7 0x0000003219a1e13a in TThread::Function(void*) () from /usr/lib64/root/libThread.so.5.28
> #8 0x0000003dd1207851 in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
> #9 0x0000003dd0ee76dd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> 
> The line src/mana.c:5154 points to the following:
> 
> TObject *obj;
>             if (strncmp(request + 10, "Any", 3) == 0)
>                obj = folder->FindObjectAny(request + 14);
>             else
>                obj = folder->FindObject(request + 11);    // LINE 5154
> 
> 
> Any suggestions on what may be going on here?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Cheng-Ju

> I've installed midas (Rev:5294) on SLC6.3 (64bit), along with recent trunk versions of rootana and roody. 
>
> #6 root_server_thread (arg=ox7f54fc001150) at src/mana.c:5154

You are connecting to mana, the old midas analyzer. The code for connecting to it is still present in roody,
but I cannot support the matching server code in mana.c - it is 2 revolutions behind the current state of
the ROOT object server (look in ROOTANA - the NetDirectory stuff and the latest is the XmlServer stuff).

I can offer 2 solutions - switch from mana.c to a ROOTANA based analyzer or graft the XmlServer code
into your analyzer (it is very simple - you need to create an XmlServer object and tell it which ROOT
containers you want to make visible to ROODY).

I guess you can also debug the old midas server code inside mana.c...

K.O.

Hi Konstantin,

Many thanks for your feedback.  I was able to keep the analyzer from exiting when launching roody by making some changes in the roody code. 
This at least allows me to keep moving forward. I will look into your suggestion of converting to ROOTANA based analyzer as well.

Regards,

Cheng-Ju


> > I've installed midas (Rev:5294) on SLC6.3 (64bit), along with recent trunk versions of rootana and roody. 
> >
> > #6 root_server_thread (arg=ox7f54fc001150) at src/mana.c:5154
> 
> You are connecting to mana, the old midas analyzer. The code for connecting to it is still present in roody,
> but I cannot support the matching server code in mana.c - it is 2 revolutions behind the current state of
> the ROOT object server (look in ROOTANA - the NetDirectory stuff and the latest is the XmlServer stuff).
> 
> I can offer 2 solutions - switch from mana.c to a ROOTANA based analyzer or graft the XmlServer code
> into your analyzer (it is very simple - you need to create an XmlServer object and tell it which ROOT
> containers you want to make visible to ROODY).
> 
> I guess you can also debug the old midas server code inside mana.c...
> 
> K.O.

> > 
> > I guess you can also debug the old midas server code inside mana.c...
> > 

I ended up doing this. (After receiving some discussion by email).

Remembered that this is an old problem with the old midasServer network
protocol in mana.c - if mana.c is compiled 32-bit, it sends 32-bit pointers, if compiled 64-bit
it sends 64-bit pointers. On the receiving end (in roody), the ROOT TMessage object does not
provide any easy way to tell between them (i.e. object length is reported as 12 or 16 for the two cases).

To make things more interesting, the midasServer code in ROOTANA always sends 32-bit "pointers",
(which are not pointers but 32-bit integer cookies).

I use the ROOTANA midasServer to test ROODY (I have no working mana.c analyzers available),
and ROODY expects to receive 32-bit "pointers", so the two are consistent.

But if I compile my midasServer to send/receive 64-bit "pointers" (cookies), I reproduce this crash. What I can reproduce I can "fix".

If I change the code in ROODY to receive and return 64-bit "pointers" (cookies), both 32-bit and 64-bit midasServer seems to work okey.

This is committed as roody svn rev 248. (https://ladd00.triumf.ca/svn/roody/trunk)

It is the same fix as suggested by Cheng-Ju Stephen Lin [cjslin@lbl.gov].

I hope this helps (or breaks the ROODY midasServer connection for everybody. I hope not).

K.O.

The HTTPS SSL certificate on ladd00.triumf.ca has been updated. Same as the old
certificate, the new one is self-signed and your web browser may complain about
that and ask you to "save a security exception".

When you save the new certificate, you can verify that you are connected to the
real ladd00.triumf.ca by comparing the "SHA1 fingerprint" reported by your web
browser to the one given below (as reported by "svn update"):

Certificate information:
 - Hostname: ladd00.triumf.ca
 - Valid: from Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:43:19 GMT until Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:43:19 GMT
 - Issuer: DAQ, TRIUMF, Vancouver, BC, CA
 - Fingerprint: 3f:15:d0:1d:68:ae:f0:73:10:78:84:66:f3:af:c7:67:5c:70:00:62

At the same time, elogd was updated to latest version from Stefan (elog-2.9.2-1.i386).

Also as part of local computer updates, elogd is temporarily running on ladd03.triumf.ca. This should be 
transparent to all users but please let me know if there are strange artefacts, etc. (ladd03 will become the 
new ladd00 "soon").

K.O.

The HTTPS SSL certificate on ladd00.triumf.ca has been updated. Same as the old
certificate, the new one is self-signed and your web browser may complain about
that and ask you to "save a security exception".

When you save the new certificate, you can verify that you are connected to the
real ladd00.triumf.ca by comparing the "SHA1 fingerprint" reported by your web
browser to the one given below (as reported by "svn update"):

Certificate information:
 - Hostname: ladd00.triumf.ca
 - Valid: from Jun 17 23:36:35 2011 GMT until Jun 16 23:36:35 2012 GMT
 - Issuer: DAQ, TRIUMF, Vancouver, BC, CA
 - Fingerprint: 2a:be:9f:9f:70:d4:dc:72:9f:63:bf:4f:fe:c0:2c:8f:a8:29:f2:f1

K.O.

The HTTPS SSL certificate on ladd00.triumf.ca has been updated. Same as the old
certificate, the new one is self-signed and your web browser may complain about
that and ask you to "save a security exception".

When you save the new certificate, you can verify that you are connected to the
real ladd00.triumf.ca by comparing the "SHA1 fingerprint" reported by your web
browser to the one given below (as reported by "svn update"):

Certificate information:
 - Hostname: ladd00.triumf.ca
 - Valid: from Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:31:51 GMT until Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:31:51 GMT
 - Issuer: DAQ, TRIUMF, Vancouver, BC, CA
 - Fingerprint: 82:95:78:cb:78:d3:93:1d:d4:c8:e8:1a:64:0f:62:04:2d:0e:c3:4a

K.O.

Dear all,
is there any way to order the labels in the history plot legend? In the old 
system there was the “order” column in the config panel, but I can not find it 
in the new system. Thanks in advance for the support.

Best regards,
Marco Chiappini

> is there any way to order the labels in the history plot legend? In the old 
> system there was the “order” column in the config panel, but I can not find it 
> in the new system. Thanks in advance for the support.

correct, for reasons unknown, the function to reorder and to delete individual 
entries was removed from the history panel editor.

K.O.

> > is there any way to order the labels in the history plot legend? In the old 
> > system there was the “order” column in the config panel, but I can not find it 
> > in the new system. Thanks in advance for the support.
> 
> correct, for reasons unknown, the function to reorder and to delete individual 
> entries was removed from the history panel editor.
> 
> K.O.

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/issues/284/history-panel-editor-reordering-of

K.O.

Hello,
      I'm trying to build khyt1331 under scientific linux 5.5, kernel
2.6.18-238.9.1el5.  Has anyone succeeded with this.  So far, I've
managed to compile by hacking all the references to man9 pages out
of the makefile.  I've then hand installed the kernel driver with 
insmod.  cat /proc/khyt1331 produces 
Hytec 5331 card found at address 0xE800, using interrupt 10
Device not in use
CAMAC crate 0: responding
CAMAC crate 1: not responding
CAMAC crate 2: not responding
CAMAC crate 3: not responding 
and the "addr" LED blinks - so progress of some sort.  
There's no sign of /dev/camac.

Next up I'm going to compile stuff like camactest.c - though the 
makefiles in the drivers folder don't mention these, so I'll have to
work through what is needed by hand.   

At some point I'll have to rewrite a bit so that it all load automatically.

Any hints or tips greatfully received.

John McMillan

The linux kernel driver for the Universe-II VME to PCI bridge is updated to 
version -KO7. It now builds and runs with Debian-12 stock kernel 6.1.0-22-686.

I pxe boot (isolinux/pxelinux) the linux kernel and NFS-mount the stock 32-bit 
Debian-12 userland. Userland tarball is available by request. PXE and NFS-Root 
configuration is written up on the wiki at daq.triumf.ca, example config files 
are available on request.

https://daq00.triumf.ca/DaqWiki/index.php/Ubuntu#setup_diskless_network_booting
https://daq00.triumf.ca/DaqWiki/index.php/VME-CPU

The Debian-11 kernel also works (use -KO6 driver is -KO7 bombs), but Debian-11 
kernel with Debian-12 userland and Ubuntu-22 NFS server fails with "file too 
big" errors, the best I can tell this has to do with old 32-bit kernels getting 
unhappy about 64-bit NFS inode numbers.

Cross-compilation from 64-bit Ubuntu-22 to 32-bit VME processors running 32-bit 
Debian-12 is written up here:
https://daq00.triumf.ca/DaqWiki/index.php/Ubuntu#32-bit_intel_cross-compiler

To cross-build 32-bit MIDAS for 32-bit VME processor use "make linux32" or build 
natively (pretty slow on 1 GHz Pentium-III).

K.O.