Have you tried longer files? Maybe a few 100 MB or so. Maybe a buffer is not flushed correctly at the end of a run.

> Have you tried longer files? Maybe a few 100 MB or so. Maybe a buffer is not flushed correctly at the end of a run.

Yes, I did. This 7 KB of the data bank is about the limit. If we go only 1 KB higher it seems that we save all data. In 
our specific case, this is the number of time bins (256 pixels with 7 time bins results in data loss, with 8 time bins it 
seems to be okay, data type is DWORD). 

Of course, a workaround for us is to save at least 8 time bins and throw 7 of them away later on. Nevertheless, since we 
are only in the commissioning phase now this is okay, I would just like to avoid data loss in the data taking phase of the 
experiment so knowing where the problem origins could help. 

I did another test with another FE running that produces a lot of data. The behavior is the same though. If the bank size 
is less than about 8 KB, the bank is not saved anymore. But probably this is anyway the expected behavior since it is a 
different FE that produces the data. 

So if it is coming from the buffer, is there something I could change to test or solve the problem?

Best, Ivo

> > > Dear all
> > > 
> > > We just started our beam time at ILL and just found yesterday that for certain 
> > > settings of our detector the data is not saved into the .mid files. Running "mdump 
> > > -l 10" online we see the data coming in as they should. Nevertheless, if we run 
> > > "mdump -x runXXXXXX.mid" offline, the data file has no events and the banks are 
> > > missing. Any ideas where the data could go lost?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Ivo
> > 
> > Have you checked 
> > 
> > /Logger/Channels/0/Settings/Event ID = -1
> > /Logger/Channels/0/Settings/Trigger mask = -1
> > 
> > If these settings are not -1, they filter the data stream for certain events and trigger 
> > masks.
> > 
> > Stefan
> 
> Good morning Stefan
> 
> Both set to -1. We only have one logging channel. If we run a sequence with a few runs and the 
> same settings, sometimes data is in the .mid file and sometimes it is not.
> 
> Best,
> Ivo 


Hi,

If the online mdump is correct (by default using the -1, -1 filter), the data are in the main SYSTEM buffer. 
Similar to the dump -
The fact that the analyzer doesn't see the banks would indicate a buffer handling issue as mentioned by Stefan.
To confirm, I would check at the end of a run that the sum of the equipment "events sent" matches the logger "Events written".

> Have you tried longer files? Maybe a few 100 MB or so. Maybe a buffer is not flushed correctly at the end of a run.

Hi,

If the online mdump is correct (by default using the -1, -1 filter), the data are in the main SYSTEM buffer. 

by the way, similar to the dump - mdump -x file.mid -m raw -d x will show you the events.

The fact that the analyzer doesn't see the banks would indicate a buffer handling issue as mentioned by Stefan.
To confirm, I would check at the end of a run that the sum of the equipment "events sent" matches the logger "Events written".

I have to reproduce the problem to fix it. Why don't you go and modify midas/examples/experiment/frontend.cxx in such a way that 
it creates exactly the banks you have, just with random data. If you see the same problem, send me your frontend file so that I 
can reproduce it.

> I have to reproduce the problem to fix it. Why don't you go and modify midas/examples/experiment/frontend.cxx in such a way that 
> it creates exactly the banks you have, just with random data. If you see the same problem, send me your frontend file so that I 
> can reproduce it.

It would be good to pin point there the data is lost. This is the sequence:

frontend user code -> mfe.c code -> SYSTEM buffer -> mlogger -> disk

To see if correct data arrives to the SYSTEM buffer, run:
mdump -z SYSTEM

To see if mlogger is receiving events from the SYSTEM buffer, run:
mlogger -v ### mlogger should report all events, history and data

To see if mlogger writes events to disk, examine the disk file (in this case, you already did, data is not there).

I would guess that your data does not make it out from the frontend (mdump shows "nothing"),
if data were to arrive into the SYSTEM buffer, it would make it to disk, unless
mlogger is misconfigured (but you already checked that).

If you have trouble with the frontend framework code, you can try to switch from the mfe.c frontend
to the newer c++ tmfe frontend (see progs/fetest_tmfe.cxx and progs/fetest_tmfe_thread.cxx).

K.O.

> It would be good to pin point there the data is lost. This is the sequence:
> 
> frontend user code -> mfe.c code -> SYSTEM buffer -> mlogger -> disk
> 
> To see if correct data arrives to the SYSTEM buffer, run:
> mdump -z SYSTEM
> 
> To see if mlogger is receiving events from the SYSTEM buffer, run:
> mlogger -v ### mlogger should report all events, history and data
> 
> To see if mlogger writes events to disk, examine the disk file (in this case, you already did, data is not there).
> 
> I would guess that your data does not make it out from the frontend (mdump shows "nothing"),
> if data were to arrive into the SYSTEM buffer, it would make it to disk, unless
> mlogger is misconfigured (but you already checked that).
> 
> If you have trouble with the frontend framework code, you can try to switch from the mfe.c frontend
> to the newer c++ tmfe frontend (see progs/fetest_tmfe.cxx and progs/fetest_tmfe_thread.cxx).
> 
> K.O.

Good evening

I tried to reproduce the behavior in a very simple FE but it did not work out. The next thing for me would be to take the FE that is producing this behavior, replace all the device communication and data with dummies. If the problem is still there I would start to simplify as much as possible. 

Following the inputs of KO, I pin-pointed the data loss. The system buffer still gets the data but the mlogger does not write the data event. Then of course the data is also not anymore present in the data file. Therefore, I checked the logger settings again, Event ID and Trigger Mask still -1. Nothing else, at least from my point of view, that is misconfigured. Nevertheless, if it helps I can send my ODB settings. 

When doing the tests just before I found something else that probably can give a hint to the problem. The data is only lost if the time between two runs is long (a few seconds). As an example: If I run a sequence with a loop and after the FE stops the run the loop ends and the next run is started automatically, then only the first run has no data, which is the one after a longer time of no data taking. When I add a "WAIT Seconds 5" after the run before starting the next, not data is written to the disk for any run. I also found this once when adding a sleep(1) at the end of the FE readout function but back then did not think about it any further. 

Best, Ivo

> > It would be good to pin point there the data is lost. This is the sequence:
> > 
> > frontend user code -> mfe.c code -> SYSTEM buffer -> mlogger -> disk
> > 
> > To see if correct data arrives to the SYSTEM buffer, run:
> > mdump -z SYSTEM
> > 
> > To see if mlogger is receiving events from the SYSTEM buffer, run:
> > mlogger -v ### mlogger should report all events, history and data
> > 
> > To see if mlogger writes events to disk, examine the disk file (in this case, you already did, data is not there).
> > 
> > I would guess that your data does not make it out from the frontend (mdump shows "nothing"),
> > if data were to arrive into the SYSTEM buffer, it would make it to disk, unless
> > mlogger is misconfigured (but you already checked that).
> > 
> > If you have trouble with the frontend framework code, you can try to switch from the mfe.c frontend
> > to the newer c++ tmfe frontend (see progs/fetest_tmfe.cxx and progs/fetest_tmfe_thread.cxx).
> > 
> > K.O.
> 
> Good evening
> 
> I tried to reproduce the behavior in a very simple FE but it did not work out.
> The next thing for me would be to take the FE that is producing this behavior,
> replace all the device communication and data with dummies. If the problem is still
> there I would start to simplify as much as possible. 
> 
> Following the inputs of KO, I pin-pointed the data loss. The system buffer still
> gets the data but the mlogger does not write the data event. Then of course the data
> is also not anymore present in the data file. Therefore, I checked the logger
> settings again, Event ID and Trigger Mask still -1. Nothing else, at least from my point of view,
> that is misconfigured. Nevertheless, if it helps I can send my ODB settings. 
> 
> When doing the tests just before I found something else that probably
> can give a hint to the problem. The data is only lost if the time between
> two runs is long (a few seconds). As an example: If I run a sequence with a loop
> and after the FE stops the run the loop ends and the next run is started automatically,
> then only the first run has no data, which is the one after a longer time of
> no data taking. When I add a "WAIT Seconds 5" after the run before starting
> the next, not data is written to the disk for any run. I also found this
> once when adding a sleep(1) at the end of the FE readout function
> but back then did not think about it any further. 
> 

Looks like this problem fell into the covid crack.

As far as I know, MIDAS does not lose any events between bm_send_event() and the shared memory
buffer. It does not lose any events in the mlogger (unless the "event request" is misconfigured).
(there is lots of opportunity to lose events in complicated frontends).

If you have some evidence otherwise, I would very much like to hear about
it and I want to fix all problems that cause it.

In your previous report I was under the impression that you lose random events here and there,
but your latest report is about mlogger not writing anything at all.

Which case is it?

If you can definitely say that all your events make it to the SYSTEM buffer
but mlogger sometimes does not see some of them and sometimes does not see all of them,
we should look very closely at bm_receive_event() and mlogger itself.

In the case where mlogger is not seeing any events at all (output file is empty), as this is
happening, I would like to see the output of mdump (to confirm events are written to SYSTEM
buffer with correct event_id and trigger_mask) and the output of (say)
"manalyzer_test.exe --dump run01161.mid.lz4" on your output file.

If the output is very long, you can email it to me directly instead of posting it here.

K.O.

One idea: we should have a look at mlogger::close_channels(). There the SYSTEM buffer is emptied through the cm_yield() call. Instrumenting this with some debugging code will enlighten us. 

Another possible problem: If the frontend requested to be notified for a run stop AFTER the logger, then the problem might happen: Logger closes file, and THEN the frontend flushes events ending up in the SYSTEM buffer and being logged at the beginning of the next run. The mfe.cxx framework takes care of this by calling 

cm_register_transition(TR_SOP, 500);

while the mlogger does 

cm_register_transition(TR_STOP, tr_stop, 800);

and since 800 > 500 the logger will be called AFTER the frontend. If one use a framework different from mfe.cxx, this could however be different.

Stefan

> One idea: we should have a look at mlogger::close_channels().
> There the SYSTEM buffer is emptied through the cm_yield() call.
> Instrumenting this with some debugging code will enlighten us.

right. this will "last few events are lost at the end of run".

but that code in the mlogger was not touched in years, if there is a problem there,
we would have seen it by now, most experiments check that the number
of events in the data file is same as number of triggers generated, both
numbers are shown on the midas status page.

> Another possible problem: If the frontend requested to be notified for a run stop AFTER the logger, then the problem might happen: Logger closes file, and THEN the frontend flushes events ending up in the SYSTEM buffer and being logged at the beginning of the next run. The mfe.cxx framework takes care of this by calling 
> cm_register_transition(TR_STOP, 500);

default sequence, both mfe.c frontend and c++ tmfe frontend:

start of run:
- mlogger first (configure history, open data file)
- frontends last
- (if any frontend fails, TR_STARTABORT is sent to mlogger to close the output file and "undo" the run start)

end of run:
- frontends first (must not send any events after after processing the TR_STOP RPC call, inside the TR_STOP handler, bm_flush_cache() takes care of the write cache)
- mlogger last
- (if any frontend fails, failure is ignored, run stops regardless)

wrong order will be only if they manually change it, and whatever order
they set, you see it on the midas transition page (and mtransition -v and odbedit stop now -v, etc).

K.O.

I commited the final bits to make Midas build on Darwin aka macosx.

Here is the summary:

1) I treat Darwin as a funny linux, so OS_LINUX is always defined
2) OS_DARWIN is defined for places where the two differ
3) system dependant directory is "midas/darwin/{bin,lib}"
4) a few header files had to be moved around to dodge namespace pollution by Apple system 
header files (i.e. one of the PowerPC header files #defines PVM- collision with PVM in mana.c, 
another #defines Free(x)- collision with ROOT header files)
5) ss_thread_create() and ss_thread_kill() now use midas_thread_t. On Darwin ptherad_t is not 
an "int".
6) the Makefile has no support for building the midas shared library on macosx.
7) on my Mac OS 10.2.8 machine, "make all" works, "odbedit" and "mhttpd" run. This is the 
full extent of my testing. Status on Mac OS 10.3.x is unknown.

K.O.

I am using an external Custom web page via a link in the ODB in /Custom, and
Javascript to add customscript button(s) and run start/stop buttons.

After executing these buttons, instead of returning to the custom page, or
to the Midas main status page, there is an error page generated:

Invalid custom page: NULL path
and the URL is 

http://lxfred:8082/CS/

The behaviour is the same whether the custom page replaces the main status page
or not.

I am using
MIDAS version 2.0.0
mhttpd.c SVN Rev 4282

In an older version of mhttpd.c, buttons of this type used to return to the
Midas main status page regardless of whether the custom page replaced the status
page. I found this behaviour annoying, and I made a custom mhttpd.c that
returned to the custom page. 
Would it be possible to fix this problem, and to return to the custom page after
pressing the buttons?


Here is the Javascript to add the buttons:

<script type="text/javascript">
var rstate = '<odb src="/runinfo/run state">'

 if (rstate == 1) // stopped
    document.write('<input name="cmd" value="Start" type="submit">')
 else if (rstate == 2 // paused
    document.write('<input name="cmd" value="Resume" type="submit">')
 else  // running
 {
    document.write('<input name="cmd" value="Stop" type="submit">')
    document.write('<input name="cmd" value="Pause" type="submit">')
 }

 if (rstate == 1) // stopped
    document.write('<input name="customscript" value="tri_config" type="submit">');
</script>

To fix this problem, do the following:

- Update to the current SVN revision 4368 of mhttpd.c
- Add following tag into your custom page:

  <input type=hidden name="redir" value="name">

  where "name" is the name of your custom page which follows the CS/ in the URL. Like 
if you have a custom page which you access through httpd://localhost/CS/junk then the 
tag would be 

  <input type=hidden name="redir" value="junk">

The "redir" parameter is now evaluated inside mhttpd and brings you back to the proper 
custom page. You can also define another custom page as the target, if that makes 
sense in your application.

Pierre: Would be nice to document this somewhere more officially.

Thanks Stefan. 
Your fix works nicely with the start/stop buttons not returning to the same or to a
different web page.

However, it does not seem to have fixed the problem with the Customscript button. It does
not seem to pick up the redirect, nor do the Pause/Resume buttons (which are programmed to
appear when the run starts).


> To fix this problem, do the following:
> 
> - Update to the current SVN revision 4368 of mhttpd.c
> - Add following tag into your custom page:
> 
>   <input type=hidden name="redir" value="name">
> 
>   where "name" is the name of your custom page which follows the CS/ in the URL. Like 
> if you have a custom page which you access through httpd://localhost/CS/junk then the 
> tag would be 
> 
>   <input type=hidden name="redir" value="junk">
> 
> The "redir" parameter is now evaluated inside mhttpd and brings you back to the proper 
> custom page. You can also define another custom page as the target, if that makes 
> sense in your application.
> 
> Pierre: Would be nice to document this somewhere more officially.

> Thanks Stefan. 
> Your fix works nicely with the start/stop buttons not returning to the same or to a
> different web page.
> 
> However, it does not seem to have fixed the problem with the Customscript button. It does
> not seem to pick up the redirect, nor do the Pause/Resume buttons (which are programmed to
> appear when the run starts).

That has been fixed in rev. 4377

I am implementing buttons to launch scripts from a custom page. 

The simple way works, i.e.

  <input type=submit name=customscript value="run_script">

But I want to stay on the page. Copying "Customscript button without a page 
reload" from https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Custom_Page_Features 
yields the following error:

Uncaught ReferenceError: XMLHttpRequestGeneric is not defined
    at cs_button (Trend:165)
    at HTMLInputElement.onclick (Trend:90)  

I included  <script src="mhttpd.js"></script> and call mhttpd_init on page load.

So why can`t it run this ajax request?


Or is there a better way to launch a script without messing up the page

> Uncaught ReferenceError: XMLHttpRequestGeneric is not defined
>     at cs_button (Trend:165)
>     at HTMLInputElement.onclick (Trend:90)  

That code was not written by me, so I'm must guessing here.

Probably the XMLHttpRequestGeneric() is some function hiding browser specialities to create 
AJAX requests. These days most browser understand the standard request

XMLHttpRequest()

so why don't you try to just remove the "Generic"

Stefan

> > Uncaught ReferenceError: XMLHttpRequestGeneric is not defined
> >     at cs_button (Trend:165)
> >     at HTMLInputElement.onclick (Trend:90)  
> 
> That code was not written by me, so I'm must guessing here.
> 
> Probably the XMLHttpRequestGeneric() is some function hiding browser specialities to create 
> AJAX requests. These days most browser understand the standard request
> 
> XMLHttpRequest()
> 
> so why don't you try to just remove the "Generic"
> 
> Stefan

That removes the error, but script doesnt get called. It goes to the javascript function and 
callback, but nothing happens. 

When I change type=button to type=submit , the script gets called again, but with page refresh. 

Hi,

On a custom web page, can a "filled" area be made to flash (i.e. cycle between 
two colours)? This area would have to update faster than the whole page update.
 
I have a custom page representing a gas system, and the users
want the heaters to flash when they are on, as is done in their EPICS page.

Thanks,
Suzannah