Dear MIDAS developers and colleagues,

    This is Yu CHEN of School of Physics, Sun Yat-sen University, China, working in the PandaX-III collaboration, an experiment under development to search the neutrinoless double 
beta decay. We are working on the DAQ and slow control systems and would like to use Midas framework to communicate with the custom hardware systems, generally via Ethernet 
interfaces. So currently we are focusing on the development of the FRONTEND program of Midas and have some questions and discussions on its ODB structure. Since I’m still not 
experienced in the framework, it would be precious that you can provide some suggestions on the topic.
    The current structure of the frontend ODB tree we have designed, together with our understanding on them, is as follows:
      /Equipment/<frontend_name>/
        ->  /Common/: Basic controls and left unchanged.
        ->  /Variables/: (ODB records with MODE_READ) Monitored values that are AUTOMATICALLY updated from the bank data within each packed event. It is done by the update_odb() 
function in mfe.cxx.
        ->  /Statistics/: (ODB records with MODE_WRITE) Default status values that are AUTOMATICALLY updated by the calling of db_send_changed_records() within the mfe.cxx.
        ->  /Settings/: All the user defined data can be located here. 
            -> /stat/: (ODB records with MODE_WRITE) All the monitored values as well as program internal status. The update operation is done simultaneously when 
db_send_changed_records() is called within the mfe.cxx.
            -> /set/: (ODB records with MODE_READ) All the “Control” data used to configure the custom program and custom hardware.

    For our application, some of the our detector equipment outputs small amount of status and monitored data together with the event data, so we currently choose not to use EQ_SLOW 
and 3-layer drivers for the readout. Our solution is to create two ODB sub-trees in the /Settings/ similar to what the device_driver does. However, this could introduce two 
troubles:
    1) For /Settings/stat/: To prevent the potential destroy on the hot-links of /Variables/ and /Statistics/ sub-trees, all our status and monitored data are stored separately in 
the /Settings/stat/ sub-tree. Another consideration is that some monitored data are not directly from the raw data, so packaging them into the Bank for later showing in /Variables/ 
could somehow lead to a complicated readout() function. However, this solution may be complicated for history loggings. I have find that the ANALYZER modules could provide some 
processes for writing to the /Variables/ sub-tree, so I would like to know whether an analyzer should be used in this case.
    2) For /Settings/set/: The “control” data (similar to the “demand” data in the EQ_SLOW equipment) are currently put in several /Settings/set/ sub-trees where each key in 
them is hot-linked to a pre-defined hardware configuration function. However, some control operations are not related to a certain ODB key or related to several ODB keys (e.g. 
configuration the Ethernet sockets), so the dispatcher function should be assigned to the whole sub-tree, which I think can slow the response speed of the software. What we are 
currently using is to setup a dedicated “control key”, and then the input of different value means different operations (e.g. 1 means socket opening, 2 means sending the UDP 
packets to the target hardware, et al.). This “control key” is also used to develop the buttons to be shown on the Status/Custom webpage. However, we would like to have your 
suggestions or better solutions on that, considering the stability and fast response of the control.

    We are not sure whether the above understanding and troubles on the Midas framework are correct or they are just due to our limits on the knowledge of the framework, so we 
really appreciate your knowledge and help for a better using on Midas. Thank you so much!

Hello,

I am wondering if there is a function that checks the access mode for a key? I 
found the db_set_mode() function that allows me to set the access mode for a key, 
but failed to find its counterpart get function.

Thanks in advance,
Yan

Thank you!

Yan

> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am wondering if there is a function that checks the access mode for a key? I 
> > found the db_set_mode() function that allows me to set the access mode for a key, 
> > but failed to find its counterpart get function.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Yan
> 
> 
>   KEY k;
>   db_get_key(hDB, handle, &k);
>   std::cout << k.access_mode << std::endl;
> 
> /Stefan

Hi,

I have been trying to use db_check_record() in order to verify that a subtree in the ODB has the correct 
variables, variable order, and overall size. I'm going off the documentation 
(https://midas.psi.ch/htmldoc/group__odbfunctionc.html) and use a string to compare against the ODB 
structure.  Since the string format is not specified for db_check_record(), I'm formatting my string 
according to the db_create_record() example.

Instead of db_check_record() checking the entire ODB subtree against all the variables represented in the 
string, I'm finding that only the first variable is checked.  The later variables in the string can be 
misspelled, out of order, or inexistent, and db_check_record() will still return 1.

Am I using db_check_record incorrectly?  

Thank you for any help with this issue.


I also believe that some of the documentation for db_check_record is outdated.  For example, init_string 
is referenced in the documentation but isn't part of the function definition.

Hi,

Attempting to copy a subtree to a new location in the ODB using odbedit with "copy <src> <dest>" is 
occasionally not copying the entire <src> subtree.

I am experiencing this issue consistently when trying to copy subtrees from the "/Equipment" ODB tree to 
a new location.  The first 2-3 variables/directories of the <src> subtree will be copied to <dest> but the 
full subtree will not be copied over.

Hi,

I am attempting to compile and run analysis code on a completely different,
unconnected system than the DAQ computer for the experiment. The analyzer was
developed previously and my goal is to get it running and then update it to
achieve my needs. Before compiling the analyzer, I load a backup ODB file in
odbedit, and compile experim.h. I then compile the analyzer with that experim.h
file. When I run the analyzer I get the following output:

> MIDAS version 2.1ROOT version 5.34/36Root server listening on port 9090...
> Running analyzer offline. Stop with "!"
> Configuration file "/somedir/switches.odb" loaded
> [Analyzer,INFO] Set run number 1290 in ODB
> Load ODB from run 1290...[Analyzer,INFO] cannot load value "Client Notify":
write protected
> [Analyzer,INFO] cannot load value "Prompt": write protected
.
.
.
> [Analyzer,INFO] cannot load value "LANSCE-ops": write protected
> MIDAS version 2.1ROOT version 5.34/36OK
> Configuration file "/somedir/switches.odb" loaded
> Data_Raw/run01290.mid.gz:16355  Data_Analyzed/run01290.root:15208  events, 0.43s

I have confirmed all files being used have read/write access to all users. The
analyzer does populate a .root output file with filled histograms, however not
all histograms are filled. I believe this is because histograms that relied on
an ODB paramater that failed to load did not populate. Any idea as to what I am
doing wrong or how I could resolve this issue are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
William Moore

I am getting a series of errors from MIDAS that I do not understand, so I hope
someone can help me figure this out.

I am attempting to run many frontends on one machine. I can run 8 with no
problem, but if I try to add a 9th I get errors relating to send_tcp. 

I have tried adjusting the max event sizes and buffer sizes, but it has not
resolved the problem. I also tried adjusting the data rates and the total data
volume going through each frontend, but there was no change. And as far as I can
tell I am not up against any hardware limits.

The errors are repeated continuously while a run is going. The three errors I
get are:

16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR] send_tcp() failed
16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to master
16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 32 (Broken pipe)

If you have any suggestions of how I can debug this, please let me know. Thanks!

> > I am getting a series of errors from MIDAS that I do not understand, so I hope
> > someone can help me figure this out.
> > 
> > I am attempting to run many frontends on one machine. I can run 8 with no
> > problem, but if I try to add a 9th I get errors relating to send_tcp. 
> > 
> > I have tried adjusting the max event sizes and buffer sizes, but it has not
> > resolved the problem. I also tried adjusting the data rates and the total data
> > volume going through each frontend, but there was no change. And as far as I can
> > tell I am not up against any hardware limits.
> > 
> > The errors are repeated continuously while a run is going. The three errors I
> > get are:
> > 
> > 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR] send_tcp() failed
> > 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to master
> > 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
> > send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 32 (Broken pipe)
> > 
> > If you have any suggestions of how I can debug this, please let me know. Thanks!
> 
> Can you tell me
> 
> - why you need 9 frontends
> - what kind of data your frontends produce
> - how your event builder looks like and how you assemble the fragments
> - what messages/errors you see when you run odbedit BEFORE the crash
> 
> /Stefan

Our experiment will need 24 frontends that will each run on its own machine. For now we
want to run 24 "fake" frontends on one machine for testing purposes. 9 is the limit
where it stops working properly. 

We have a pulser that is giving us periodic data at a constant rate. We have a master
frontend running on a different PC in interrupt mode that assembles the events, and then
N "FakeData" frontends running in polled mode on a single PC. 

We do have an event builder, but we get these errors whether the event builder is
running or not.

At the start of a run, I see the following messages:

[mtransition,INFO] Run #21 started
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR]
send_tcp() failed
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to
master
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [master,ERROR] [midas.c:10844:recv_tcp_server,ERROR] Cannot
allocate 268435512 bytes for network buffer
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [master,ERROR] [midas.c:12893:rpc_server_receive,ERROR]
recv_tcp_server() returned -1, abort
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [master,TALK] Program 'FakeData09' on host 'fe01' aborted

After this it recycles just the first three errors that I mentioned above.

Thank you for the help. As it turns out, the problem was due to the fact that we were compiling MIDAS on our 64 bit backend machine, but one of the frontend machines is 32 bit. The problem was resolved by compiling a 32 bit version of MIDAS in
addition to the 64 bit version.

I am having some trouble creating a frontend that interacts with some libraries that use C++11. 

The flag I added to my MIDAS Makefile to get the C++11 part of the code to work is -std=c++0x. This 
causes an error in the equipment description in the frontend code.

The error I get is:

frontend.cpp:149: error: narrowing conversion of ‘-0x00000000000000001’ from ‘int’ to ‘WORD’ inside { 
}

This corresponds to the following in the MIDAS frontend code.

EQUIPMENT equipment[] = { 
  {
   "MWPC",                           /* equipment name */
   {1, TRIGGER_ALL,                  /* event ID, trigger mask */
     "BUF2",                        /* event buffer */
     EQ_POLLED | EQ_EB,              /* equipment type */
     LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFF),        /* event source crate 0, all stations */
     "MIDAS",                        /* format */
     TRUE,                           /* enabled */
     RO_RUNNING,                     /* read only when running */
     1,                              /* poll for 1ms */
     0,                              /* stop run after this event limit */
     0,                              /* number of sub events */
     0,                              /* don't log history */
     "", "", "",},
    read_trigger_event,              /* readout routine */
  },

   {""}
};  <- this is line 149
#ifdef __cplusplus
}
#endif

Do you know a way to make this compatible with C++11?

Thanks!

> > I am having some trouble creating a frontend that interacts with some libraries that use C++11. 
> > 
> > The flag I added to my MIDAS Makefile to get the C++11 part of the code to work is -std=c++0x. This 
> > causes an error in the equipment description in the frontend code.
> > 
> > The error I get is:
> > 
> > frontend.cpp:149: error: narrowing conversion of ‘-0x00000000000000001’ from ‘int’ to ‘WORD’ inside { 
> > }
> > 
> > This corresponds to the following in the MIDAS frontend code.
> > 
> > EQUIPMENT equipment[] = { 
> >   {
> >    "MWPC",                           /* equipment name */
> >    {1, TRIGGER_ALL,                  /* event ID, trigger mask */
> >      "BUF2",                        /* event buffer */
> >      EQ_POLLED | EQ_EB,              /* equipment type */
> >      LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFF),        /* event source crate 0, all stations */
> >      "MIDAS",                        /* format */
> >      TRUE,                           /* enabled */
> >      RO_RUNNING,                     /* read only when running */
> >      1,                              /* poll for 1ms */
> >      0,                              /* stop run after this event limit */
> >      0,                              /* number of sub events */
> >      0,                              /* don't log history */
> >      "", "", "",},
> >     read_trigger_event,              /* readout routine */
> >   },
> > 
> >    {""}
> > };  <- this is line 149
> > #ifdef __cplusplus
> > }
> > #endif
> > 
> > Do you know a way to make this compatible with C++11?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Is this maybe related to the LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFFFF) where 0xFFFFFFFF is -1. I guess you are not using CAMAC, so just replace the 
> LAM_SOURCE(...) with zero and try again.
> 
> /Stefan

Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it is instead the TRIGGER_ALL that is causing the problem. TRIGGER_ALL is defined as -1 in midas.h. If I replace TRIGGER_ALL with 0 in the 
frontend, it compiles, but if I use -1, I get the same error. I do not think that I want my trigger mask set to 0. Do you have a suggestion of how to get around this?

To answer the other questions, we are running on SLF6. I am building a frontend for a MWPC to read data from CAEN TDCs.