> Dear MIDAS-addicts,
> 
> I would like to hear your opinion on this:
> We've until now used CAMAC with Hytec 1331 controllers. We're using Yale FADCs 
> whose readout takes ages in CAMAC (2048 samples take 2 milliseconds to be 
> read). We've got 20+ FADC channels (we usually read only 2-3)
> 
> Now we've had the brilliant idea to replace the Yale FADCs with some VME 
> digitizer and we now plan to buy a Struck SIS 1100/3100 PCI-VME controller,
> plus 4 pc. CAEN 1720 8ch 12bit, 250MHz WFD.
> 
> (1) Can anybody comment on this choice? Good experiences/problems?
> 
> We are still using the CAMAC stuff for all other modules (TDCs, ADCs, 
> scalers). So my plan is to have ONE frontend who reads both the CAMAC modules 
> and the VME modules.
> 
> (2) Is it possible to build and run a dual-controller frontend for both CAMAC 
> and VME? Does anybody have experience with that? Or is it a stupid idea?
> 
> I'd appreciate any hints.
> 
> [Edit: We're using Linux]
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Randolf

Dear Randolf,

I used some time ago several HYTEC 1331 controllers together with the Struck 
SIS3100. Since the HYTEC is IO-mapped and the SIS3100 is memory mapped, there was 
no problem in running them in parallel. Note however that there will soon be an 
improved version of the SIS3100 with improved speed, and also CAEN plans a WFD 
with 32 channels, 6 GSPS, 12 bit, using the DRS chip for the next year. I don't 
know if you need that, but just that you know.

Best regards, 
  Stefan

Hello all,

I've recently acquired a MityCAMAC system that was built at TRIUMF and I'm 
having issues accessing it over ethernet.

The system: Ubuntu VM inside Windows 10 machine.

I've tried reconfiguring the network settings for the VM but nmap and arp/ip 
commands have yielded me no results in finding the crate controller. 

I was getting help from Pierre Amaudruz but I think he is now busy for some 
time. I have the mac address of the crate controller and its name. The 
controller seems to initialize fine inside of the CAMAC crate. The windows side 
of the workstation also tells me that an unknown network is in fact connected.

I suspect I either need to do something with an ssh key (which I thought we 
accomplished but maybe not), or perhaps the domain name in the controller needs 
to be changed. 

If anybody has experience working with MityARM I would appreciate any advice I 
could get.

Best,
Hunter Lowe
UNBC Graduate Physics

Hi Hunter 

This sounds like a Triumf specific problem; 
not a MIDAS problem.  Please email me directly 
and we can try to solve this problem.

Thomas Lindner
TRIUMF DAQ


 Hello all,
> 
> I've recently acquired a MityCAMAC system 
that was built at TRIUMF and I'm 
> having issues accessing it over ethernet.
> 
> The system: Ubuntu VM inside Windows 10 
machine.
> 
> I've tried reconfiguring the network 
settings for the VM but nmap and arp/ip 
> commands have yielded me no results in 
finding the crate controller. 
> 
> I was getting help from Pierre Amaudruz but 
I think he is now busy for some 
> time. I have the mac address of the crate 
controller and its name. The 
> controller seems to initialize fine inside 
of the CAMAC crate. The windows side 
> of the workstation also tells me that an 
unknown network is in fact connected.
> 
> I suspect I either need to do something with 
an ssh key (which I thought we 
> accomplished but maybe not), or perhaps the 
domain name in the controller needs 
> to be changed. 
> 
> If anybody has experience working with 
MityARM I would appreciate any advice I 
> could get.
> 
> Best,
> Hunter Lowe
> UNBC Graduate Physics

For those curious about CAMAC controllers, this one was built around 2014 to 
replace the aging CAMAC A1/A2 controllers (parallel and serial) in the TRIUMF 
cyclotron controls system (around 50 CAMAC crates). It implements the main
and the auxiliary controller mode (single width and double width modules).

The design predates Altera Cyclone-5 SoC and has separate
ARM processor (TI 335x) and Cyclone-4 FPGA connected by GPMC bus.

ARM processor boots Linux kernel and CentOS-7 userland from an SD card,
FPGA boots from it's own EPCS flash.

User program running on the ARM processor (i.e. a MIDAS frontend)
initiates CAMAC operations, FPGA executes them. Quite simple.

K.O.

Version: release/midas-2020-12

In the new history display, the checkbox "Change all time axes together" works 
well with the mouse-based zoom, but does not apply to the +- buttons.

> Version: release/midas-2020-12
> 
> In the new history display, the checkbox "Change all time axes together" works 
> well with the mouse-based zoom, but does not apply to the +- buttons.

Fixed in current commit.

Stefan

Since a few people asked me, here is a "minimal" CMakeLists.txt file for a user-written front-end 
program "myfe":

---------------------------

cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.0)
project(myfe)

# Check for MIDASSYS environment variable
if (NOT DEFINED ENV{MIDASSYS})
   message(SEND_ERROR "MIDASSYS environment variable not defined.")
endif()

set(CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD 11)
set(MIDASSYS $ENV{MIDASSYS})

if (${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES Linux)
   set(LIBS -lpthread -lutil -lrt)
endif()

add_executable(myfe myfe.cxx)

target_include_directories(myfe PRIVATE ${MIDASSYS}/include)
target_link_libraries(crfe ${MIDASSYS}/lib/libmfe.a ${MIDASSYS}/lib/libmidas.a ${LIBS})

MidasWiki was updated to current mediawiki LTS 1.39.6 supported until Nov 2025, 
see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle

as downside, after this update, I see large amounts of "account request" spam, 
something that did not exist before. I suspect new mediawiki phones home to 
subscribe itself to some "please spam me" list.

if you want a user account on MidasWiki, please email me or Stefan directly, we 
will make it happen.

K.O.

We have a problem with over aggressive AI bots. They are scanning everything and 
are putting a crazy load on the mediawiki mysql database. This makes all out 
wikis very slow and unresponsive, which is a big problem.

These AI scanners do not seem to know what they are doing and are trying to load 
all the special pages, like "what links here" and "recent changes" and complete 
revision histories for each page. I am not impressed. Old school google and bing 
scanner bots are much more respectful and do not cause problems.

AI bots are also scanning this elog, and to Stefan's credit elogd is holding the 
load just fine.

To reduce load on the MidasWiki mysql database, I now restricted access to most 
special pages to logged in users. It seems to have helped.

If this causes big difficulty or if you have suggestion on better ways to deal 
with aggressive AI scanner bots, please speak up.

One alternative is to put MidasWiki behind a generic login page with a well 
known password. Downside is it will block google and bing search engines, too.

K.O.

MidasWiki moved from ladd00 (obsolete SL6) to daq00.triumf.ca (Ubuntu LTS 20.04) 
and updated from obsolete MediaWiki LTS 1.27.7 to MediaWiki LTS 1.35, supported 
until mid-2023, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle

Old URL https://midas.triumf.ca and https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/...
redirect to new URL https://daq00.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Main_Page

All old links and bookmarks should continue to work (via redirect).

To report problems with this MediaWiki instance and to request
any changes in configuration or installed extensions, please reply to this
message here.

K.O.

We are happy to announce the creation of the MidasWiki at TRIUMF (https://midas.triumf.ca) as the 
new location of MIDAS documentation, user instructions, examples, etc.

https://midas.triumf.ca
K.O.

> We are happy to announce the creation of the MidasWiki at TRIUMF
> https://midas.triumf.ca

We are running MediaWiki in the world-readable, authenticated-user-writable mode.

New user registration is done by the "confirm new user" extension (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount):
- go to https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Special:RequestAccount
- fill the form, submit request - request goes to wiki administrator for confirmation
- wait for email about email address confirmation, follow instructions to confirm your email address
- wait for email about account confirmation
- try to login to the wiki.

K.O.

As the Midas software is installed using CMake, it can be easily integrated into 
other CMake projects using the MidasConfig.cmake file produced during the Midas 
installation.

This file points to the location of the include and libraries of Midas using three 
variables:
- MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS
- MIDAS_LIBRARY_DIRS
- MIDAS_LIBRARIES

Then the CMakeLists file of the new project can use the CMake find_package 
functionalities like:
```
find_package (Midas REQUIRED)
if (MIDAS_FOUND)
    MESSAGE(STATUS "Found midas: libraries ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES}")
    pbuilder_add_ext_libraries (${MIDAS_LIBRARIES})
else (MIDAS_FOUND)
    message(FATAL "Unable to find midas")
endif (MIDAS_FOUND)
include_directories (${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIR})
```
pbuilder_add_ext_libraries is a CMake macro allowing to automatically add the 
libraries into the project: this macro can be found here: 
https://github.com/project8/scarab/blob/master/cmake/PackageBuilder.cmake
If such macro doesn't exist, the linkage to each executable/library can be done 
similarly to https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/1964 using: 

```
target_link_libraries(crfe ${MIDAS_LIBARIES} ${LIBS})
```

The current version of the MidasConfig.cmake is minimal and could for example 
include a version number: this would allow to define a e.g. minimal version of 
Midas needed by the new project.

How does "find_package (Midas REQUIRED)" find the location of MIDAS?

The best I can tell from the current code, the package config files are installed
inside $MIDASSYS somewhere and I see "find_package MIDAS" never find them (indeed,
find_package() does not know about $MIDASSYS, so it has to use telepathy or something).

Does anybody actually use "find_package(midas)", does it actually work for anybody?

Also it appears that "the cmake way" of importing packages is to use
the install(EXPORT) method.

In this scheme, the user package does this:

include(${MIDASSYS}/lib/midas-targets.cmake)
target_link_libraries(myprogram PUBLIC midas)

this causes all the midas include directories (including mxml, etc)
and dependancy libraries (-lutil, -lpthread, etc) to be automatically
added to "myprogram" compilation and linking.

of course MIDAS has to generate a sensible targets export file,
working on it now.

K.O.

> Does anybody actually use "find_package(midas)", does it actually work for anybody?

What we do is to include midas as a submodule and than we call find_package:

    add_subdirectory(midas)
    list(APPEND CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/midas)
    find_package(Midas REQUIRED)

For us it works fine like this but we kind of always compile Midas fresh and don't use a version on our system (keeping the newest version). 

Without the find_package the build does not work for us.

> > Does anybody actually use "find_package(midas)", does it actually work for anybody?
> 
> What we do is to include midas as a submodule and than we call find_package:
> 
>     add_subdirectory(midas)
>     list(APPEND CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/midas)
>     find_package(Midas REQUIRED)
> 
> For us it works fine like this but we kind of always compile Midas fresh and don't use a version on our system (keeping the newest version). 
> 
> Without the find_package the build does not work for us.

Ok, I see. I now think that for us, this "find_package" business an unnecessary complication:

since one has to know where midas is in order to add it to CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH,
one might as well import the midas targets directly by include(.../midas/lib/midas-targets.cmake).

From what I see now, the cmake file is much simplifed by converting
it from "find_package(midas)" style MIDAS_INCLUDES & co to more cmake-ish
target_link_libraries(myexe midas) - all the compiler switches, include paths,
dependant libraires and gunk are handled by cmake automatically.

I am not touching the "find_package(midas)" business, so it should continue to work, then.

K.O.

MidasConfig.cmake might at some point get included in the standard Cmake installation (or some add-on). It will then reside in the Cmake system path 
and you don't have to explicitly know where this is. Just the find_package(Midas) will then be enough. 

Even if it's not there, the find_package() is the "traditional" way CMake discovers external packages and users are used to that (like ROOT does the 
same). In comparison, your "midas-targets.cmake" way of doing things, although this works certainly fine, is not the "standard" way, but a midas-
specific solution, other people have to learn extra.

Stefan

> MidasConfig.cmake might at some point get included in the standard Cmake installation (or some add-on). It will then reside in the Cmake system path 
> and you don't have to explicitly know where this is. Just the find_package(Midas) will then be enough.

Hi, Stefan, can you say more about this? If MidasConfig.cmake is part of the cmake distribution,
(did I understand you right here?) and is installed into a system-wide directory,
how can it know to use midas from /home/agmini/packages/midas or from /home/olchansk/git/midas?

Certainly we do not do system wide install of midas (into /usr/local/bin or whatever) because
typically different experiments running on the same computer use different versions of midas.

For ROOT, it looks as if for find_package(ROOT) to work, one has to add $ROOTSYS to the Cmake package
search path. This is what we do in our cmake build.

As for find_package() vs install(EXPORT), we may have the same situation as with my "make cmake",
where my one line solution is no good for people who prefer to type 3 lines of commands.

Specifically, the install(EXPORT) method defines the "midas" target which brings with it
all it's dependent include paths, libraries and compile flags. So to link midas you need
two lines:

include(.../midas/lib/midas-targets.cmake)
target_link_libraries(myexe midas)
target_link_libraries(myfrontend mfe)

whereas find_package() defines a bunch of variables (the best I can tell) and one has
to add them to the include paths and library paths and compile flags "by hand".

I do not know how find_package() handles the separate libmidas, libmfe and librmana. (and
the separate libmanalyzer and libmanalyzer_main).

K.O.

> find_package(Midas)

I am testing find_package(Midas). There is a number of problems:

1) ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} is set to "midas;midas-shared;midas-c-compat;mfe".

This seem to be an incomplete list of all libraries build by midas (rmana is missing).

This means ${MIDAS_LIBRARIES} should not be used for linking midas programs (unlike ${ROOT_LIBRARIES}, etc):

- we discourage use of midas shared library because it always leads to problems with shared library version mismatch (static linking is preferred)
- midas-c-compat is for building python interfaces, not for linking midas programs
- mfe contains a main() function, it will collide with the user main() function

So I think this should be changed to just "midas" and midas linking dependancy
libraries (-lutil, -lrt, -lpthread) should also be added to this list.

Of course the "install(EXPORT)" method does all this automatically. (so my fixing find_package(Midas) is a waste of time)

2) ${MIDAS_INCLUDE_DIRS} is missing the mxml, mjson, mvodb, midasio submodule directories

Again, install(EXPORT) handles all this automatically, in find_package(Midas) it has to be done by hand.

Anyhow, this is easy to add, but it does me no good in the rootana cmake if I want to build against old versions
of midas. So in the rootana cmake, I still have to add $MIDASSYS/mvodb & co by hand. Messy.

I do not know the history of cmake and why they have two ways of doing things (find_package and install(EXPORT)),
this second method seems to be much simpler, everything is exported automatically into one file,
and it is much easier to use (include the export file and say target_link_libraries(rootana PUBLIC midas)).

So how much time should I spend in fixing find_package(Midas) to make it generally usable?

- include path is incomplete
- library list is nonsense
- compiler flags are not exported (we do not need -DOS_LINUX, but we do need -DHAVE_ZLIB, etc)
- dependency libraries are not exported (-lz, -lutil, -lrt, -lpthread, etc)

K.O.

> > find_package(Midas)
> 
> So how much time should I spend in fixing find_package(Midas) to make it generally usable?
> 
> - include path is incomplete
> - library list is nonsense
> - compiler flags are not exported (we do not need -DOS_LINUX, but we do need -DHAVE_ZLIB, etc)
> - dependency libraries are not exported (-lz, -lutil, -lrt, -lpthread, etc)
> 

I think I give up on find_package(Midas). It seems like a lot of work to straighten
all this out, when install(EXPORT) does it all automatically and is easier to use
for building user frontends and analyzers.

K.O.