> > 
> > I'm currently trying to see if I can speed up polling in a frontend I'm testing. 
> > Currently it seems like I can't get 'lam's to happen faster than 120 times/second. 
> > There must be a way to make this faster. From what I understand, changing the poll 
> > time (500ms by default) won't affect the frequency of polling just the 'lam' 
> > period.
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> 
> You could switch from the traditional midas mfe.c frontend to the C++ TMFE frontend,
> where all this "lam" and "poll" business is removed.
> 
> At the moment, there are two example programs using the C++ TMFE frontend,
> single threaded (progs/fetest_tmfe.cxx) and multithreaed (progs/fetest_tmfe_thread.cxx).
> 
> K.O.

Ok. I did not know that there was a C++ OOD frontend example in MIDAS. I'll take a look at 
it. Is there any documentation on it works?

Thanks for the support!

Isaac

Hi all,

I am encountering a Javascript error (TypeError: client.error is undefined) when 
I transition between run states. Does anybody have an idea of what my problem 
might be? I have pasted an example of what MIDAS logs during such sequences.

Thanks for all the help!

Isaac


09:24:08.611 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,INFO] Executing script 
"~/ANIS_20210106/scripts/start_daq.sh" from ODB "/Script/Start DAQ"

09:24:13.833 2021/02/10 [Logger,LOG] Program Logger on host localhost started

09:24:28.598 2021/02/10 [fevme,LOG] Program fevme on host localhost started

09:24:33.951 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,INFO] Run #234 started

09:26:30.970 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.cxx:4260:cm_transition_call,ERROR] 
Client "Logger" transition 2 aborted while waiting for client "fevme": 
"/Runinfo/Transition in progress" was cleared

09:26:31.015 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.cxx:5120:cm_transition,ERROR] 
transition STOP aborted: "/Runinfo/Transition in progress" was cleared

09:27:27.270 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] 
[system.cxx:4937:ss_recv_net_command,ERROR] timeout receiving network command 
header

09:27:27.270 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.cxx:12262:rpc_client_call,ERROR] 
call to "fevme" on "localhost" RPC "rc_transition": timeout waiting for reply

> > I am encountering a Javascript error (TypeError: client.error is undefined) when 
> > I transition between run states. Does anybody have an idea of what my problem 
> > might be? I have pasted an example of what MIDAS logs during such sequences.
> 
> 
> Not enough information. Can you do this:
> 
> a) for the javascript error, if you get it every time, open the javascript debugger 
> and capture the stack trace? or at least the file name, function name and line number 
> where the javascript exception is thrown?

I've attached a screenshot of the call stack showing the file names and line numbers.

> b) for the run start failure, start the run from odbedit "start now -v" or from 
> "mtransition -v -d 1 START" (or "stop" as the case may be). capture the output, email 
> to me directly or put in this elog here.

I have also attached a screen capture of the output.

Thanks for your help as always.

Isaac

> K.O.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks for all the help!
> > 
> > Isaac
> > 
> > 
> > 09:24:08.611 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,INFO] Executing script 
> > "~/ANIS_20210106/scripts/start_daq.sh" from ODB "/Script/Start DAQ"
> > 
> > 09:24:13.833 2021/02/10 [Logger,LOG] Program Logger on host localhost started
> > 
> > 09:24:28.598 2021/02/10 [fevme,LOG] Program fevme on host localhost started
> > 
> > 09:24:33.951 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,INFO] Run #234 started
> > 
> > 09:26:30.970 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.cxx:4260:cm_transition_call,ERROR] 
> > Client "Logger" transition 2 aborted while waiting for client "fevme": 
> > "/Runinfo/Transition in progress" was cleared
> > 
> > 09:26:31.015 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.cxx:5120:cm_transition,ERROR] 
> > transition STOP aborted: "/Runinfo/Transition in progress" was cleared
> > 
> > 09:27:27.270 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] 
> > [system.cxx:4937:ss_recv_net_command,ERROR] timeout receiving network command 
> > header
> > 
> > 09:27:27.270 2021/02/10 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.cxx:12262:rpc_client_call,ERROR] 
> > call to "fevme" on "localhost" RPC "rc_transition": timeout waiting for reply

Hi all,

I'm currently experiencing an issue during run transitions. It comes in the form 
of an alert saying "TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined" 
whenever I'm in the "transition" window on mhttpd. I have attached an image of 
what the transition window looks like when this happens. 

By the looks of it and by peering at the lines in transition.html where the 
error occurs, it's pretty obvious that there is some strange undefined client 
that the web page tries to access.

I don't know how to find what this client is. Is there a way to see it in the 
ODB? 

The issues happens in show_client() of transition.html (called by callback()). 
Here's the trace:

Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined
    at show_client (?cmd=Transition:227)
    at callback (?cmd=Transition:420)
    at ?cmd=Transition:430

Any help would be very appreciated!

Thanks so much.

Isaac

> Clearly something goes wrong with the STARTABORT transition. Actually from your 
> sceenshot, it is not clear why the STARTABORT transition was initiated.
> 
> Usually it is called after some client fails the "start run" transition to inform 
> other clients that the run did not start after all. (mlogger uses this to close the 
> output file, etc).
> 
> But in the screenshot, we do not see any client fail the transition (only rootana1 
> was called, and it returned "green").
> 
> So, a puzzle. One possibility is that the transition code gets so confused
> that it does not record correct transition data to ODB, then the web page
> gets even more confused.
> 
> One way to see what happens, is to run the odbedit command "start now -v".
> 
> Can you try that? And attach all its output here?
> 
> K.O.

Thanks for getting back to me right away. I've attached two screenshots. The first one 
is the output after running "start now -v" (everything seemed to work nicely there), the 
second output is after using odbedit to stop the run with "stop". Notice that the DAQ 
never stops because it gets stuck in between transitions (You can see the run status 
being "stopping run" with the cancel transition button).

Thanks.

Isaac

> > 
> > I have also attached a screen capture of the output.
> > 
> 
> so the error is gone?
> 
> K.O.

Hi K.O.,

No the error persists, 

> So there is no error on run start anymore? To debug the stuck run stop, please use "stop -v" 
> to see where it got stuck. You can also play with the RPC timeouts (the connect timeout and 
> the response timeout), to make it get "unstuck" quicker. Definitely it should not be stuck 
> forever, it should timeout at maximum of "rpc timeout * number of clients". K.O.

You're right it does not stay stuck forever, it eventually gets unstuck. I forgot to mention this. 
I will try to play with these timeout parameters. It does not get stuck if I run my DAQ using the 
odbedit commands (start/stop). I don't know if this is relevant information that could help us 
identify the problem.

Thanks for all your help as always!

Isaac

Hi all,

I'm running into a curious problem when I try to run a program using my custom 
script button. I have been using a script button to start my DAQ, this button 
has always worked. It starts by exporting an absolute path to scripts and then 
runs scripts, my frontend, my analyzer, and mlogger relative to this path.

I recently added a line of code to run a new script "logic_controller". If I run 
the script_daq from my terminal (./start_daq), mhttpd accepts the client and the 
program works as intended. But, if I use the script button, the logic_controller 
program is immediately deleted by MIDAS. It can be seen appearing in the status 
page clients list and then immediately gets deleted. This is a client that runs 
on the local experiment host.

What might be the issue? What is the difference between running the script 
through the terminal as opposed to running it through the mhttpd button?

I have added a picture of my simple script and the logic_controller code.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

Isaac

> > if I use the script button, the logic_controller program is immediately deleted by MIDAS.
> 
> This is indeed very curious, and I can't reproduce it on my test experiment. Can you redirect stdout and stderr from the logic_controller program into a file, to see how far the program gets? If it gets to the while loop at the end, then it would be useful to add some debug statements to see what condition causes it to exit the loop.

I have redirected stdout and stderr into a text file and I have attached it to this entry. From what the stdout says, it seems that the lambda
function gets called 4 times before the program disconnects from the experiment. Somehow the status must become SS_ABORT or RPC_SHUTDOWN.

> Are there any relevant messages in the midas message log about the program being killed? What's the value of "/Programs/logic_controller/Watchdog timeout"? 

There are no interesting messages in the midas.log and "/Programs/logic_controller/Watchdog timeout" is 10000 when I run the command from the terminal window.
What happens when you run it on your test experiment?

I'll try some more debugging.

Thanks for helping me out! Cheers.

Isaac

> I think it would be useful to find the minimal example that exhibits this behaviour.
> 
> What happens if your logic controller code is simply the 17 lines below? What happens if you create another script button that only starts the logic controller, not any of the other programs? etc. Gradually re-add features until you hit the problem (or scream in horror if it breaks with 17 lines of C++ and a 1 line shell script).
> 

Hi Ben,

I have followed your suggestions and the program still stops immediately. My status as returned from "cm_yield(100)" is always 412 (SS_TIMEOUT) which is fine. 
The issue is that, when run with the script button, the do-wile loop stops immediately because the !ss_kbhit() always evaluates to FALSE.

My temporary solution has been to let the loop run forever :)

Let me know what think. Thanks again!

Isaac

> 
> 
> #include "midas.h"
> #include "stdio.h"
> 
> int main() {
>    cm_connect_experiment("", "", "logic_controller", NULL);
> 
>    do {
>      int status = cm_yield(100);
>      printf("cm_yield returned %d\n", status);
>      if (status == SS_ABORT || status == RPC_SHUTDOWN)
>        break;
>    } while (!ss_kbhit());
> 
>    cm_disconnect_experiment();
> 
>    return 0;
> }

Hi all,

I was sent a version of the frontend for the TIGRESS Detector lab setup so that 
I can test detectors using a GRIF-16 digitizer in standalone mode.

I followed the GRIF-16 wiki (https://grsi.wiki.triumf.ca/wiki/GRIF-16#One-
level_operation) to setup the GRIF-16 through the webpage. The digitized data is 
supposed to come into my UDP port 8800 but it is never retrieved in the 
frontend.

Here's the readout scheme:
// readout sequence ...
// poll_event() true (if still have data in buffer or testmsg() true)
// -> read_trigger_event() -> read_grifc_event() - re-buffers into midas events
//                         -> grifc_eventread()  - returns single grif fragment
//                         -> grifc_dataread()   - returns single net-pkt 


Here's poll_event():
INT poll_event(INT source, INT count, BOOL test)
{
   int i, have_data=0;

   for(i=0; i<count; i++){
      if( data_available ){ break; }
      have_data = ( testmsg(data_socket, 0) > 0 );
      if( have_data && !test ){ break; }
   }
   return( (have_data || data_available) && !test );
}

This being said, testmsg() always returns empty and "data_available" is only set 
to TRUE when there's leftover data after a GRIF-C reading (I'm obviously not 
using a GRIF-C).

I know that when GRIF-16 is in standalone mode, MIDAS does not change GRIF-16s 
settings based on the ODB, it has to be done through the GRIF-16 webpage. Is the 
user frontend code even responsible for the GRIF-16 data readout in standalone 
mode? If not, could it just be that my UDP offloader is incorrectly setup?

Here are its current settings:

SETTINGS/UDP
- Offloader: ON
- Dst IP: my IP
- Dst Port: 8800 (DATA_PORT)

SETTINGS/MIDAS
- Use MIDAS: OFF
- MIDAS Hostname: my hostname
- MIDAS IP: same as Dst IP from UDP settings
- Dst Port: 8080 (I'm assuming that this is the mhttpd port)

Again, the frontend runs but I get 0 events. What might I be missing?

Thanks for helping me out!

Isaac

I manage to access some vme modules with the older vmicvme interface and seemed
confused with the
new interface as the sample code provided does not have a specific test sample.
The test code
provided in the earlier version for accessing  V792 32ch. QDC was quite handy,
how can I apply it
for the new interface?  

Hello all,

I've recently acquired a MityCAMAC system that was built at TRIUMF and I'm 
having issues accessing it over ethernet.

The system: Ubuntu VM inside Windows 10 machine.

I've tried reconfiguring the network settings for the VM but nmap and arp/ip 
commands have yielded me no results in finding the crate controller. 

I was getting help from Pierre Amaudruz but I think he is now busy for some 
time. I have the mac address of the crate controller and its name. The 
controller seems to initialize fine inside of the CAMAC crate. The windows side 
of the workstation also tells me that an unknown network is in fact connected.

I suspect I either need to do something with an ssh key (which I thought we 
accomplished but maybe not), or perhaps the domain name in the controller needs 
to be changed. 

If anybody has experience working with MityARM I would appreciate any advice I 
could get.

Best,
Hunter Lowe
UNBC Graduate Physics

Trying to play with midas file but I get error:

[Analyzer,ERROR] [odb.cxx:845:db_validate_name,ERROR] Invalid name "/Analyzer/Tests/low_sum/Rate [Hz]" passed to db_create_key_wlocked: should not contain "["

I'm not sure what sets the name so I'm not sure how to fix this.

Thanks

Hello,

I have a question for anyone experienced with simple CAMAC systems.
 My understanding is that for a single ADC system you can use a gate to generate a
 LAM signal for triggering on ADC.
 The driver that I have "mcstd_libgpmc_camac" has LAM "not implemented" though,
 so I'm not sure how I should trigger DAQ. The frontend code that I have seems to use a TDC
 as trigger for ADC via "EQ_POLLED" type equipment setting. Should I simply plug in TDC in my
 system and use this as trigger? Is it as simple as TDC generates signal via gate and ADC performs job? 

Sorry if question is super basic, just confused how to trigger without LAM signal.

Thank you :)

Hunter Lowe
UNBC Grad Physics

I’m beginner of Midas, and trying to develop the slow control front-end with the latest Midas.
I found the scfe.cxx in the “example”, but not enough to refer to write the front-end for my own devices 
because it contains only nulldevice and null bus driver case...
(I could have succeeded to run the HV front-end for ISEG MPod, because there is the device driver...)

Can I get some frontend examples such as simple TCP/IP and/or RS232 devices?
Hopefully, I would like to have examples of frontend and device driver.
(if any device driver which is included in the package is similar, please tell me.)

Thanks a lot.

Dear Stefan,

Thank you for you quick reply.


> Have you checked the documentation?
> 
> https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Slow_Control_System

Yes, I have read the wiki, but not easy to figure out how I treat the individual case.

> Basically you have to replace the nulldevice driver with a "real" driver. You find all existing drivers under 
> midas/drivers/device. If your favourite is not there, you have to write it. Use one which is close to the one 
> you need and modify it.

Okay, I will try to write drivers for my own devices using existing drivers.
(maybe I can find some device drivers which uses TCP/IP, RS232)

Best regards,
Hisataka Yoshida

Dear Giorgio,

Thank you very much for your kind and quick reply!

I appreciate you giving me such a nice explanation, experience, and great sample codes (This is what I desired!).
They all are useful for me. I will try to write my frontend codes using gift from you.

Thank you again!

Best regards,
Hisataka Yoshida

Dear expert,

I'm going to develop MIDAS DAQ for COMET experiment.
I'm thinking to distribute the load of event building to different PCs.
I attach a schematics of one of the examples of the design.
Please tell me how can I accomplish a kind of "sub-EventBuilder".
I'm reading the midas code to understand the scheme of MIDAS but
it is a lot and I want to know which one to focus on.
Can I do it writing user function based on either "mfe.c" or "mevb.c"?
Frontend program with multithread equipment is the one to do?
Or should I modify the original midas files?


Best regards,
Hiroaki Natori

Dear Mr. Olchanski

Thank you for your comment.
We exect the number of readout channels is ~1000, boards ~100 and the frontend pc <10.	
We expect that trigger rate is a few kHz.

Writing monolithic c++ code may need complete understanding on midas,
and I will consider more about writing from scratch or modifying midas code.

Best regards
Hiroaki Natori

> > I'm going to develop MIDAS DAQ for COMET experiment.
> > I'm thinking to distribute the load of event building to different PCs.
> > I attach a schematics of one of the examples of the design.
> 
> Your schematic is reminiscent of the T2K/ND280 structure where the MIDAS DAQ
> was split into several separate MIDAS instances (separate "experiments": the FGD, the TPC, 
> the slow controls, etc).
> 
> They were joined together by the "cascade" equipment which provided a path
> for the data events to flow from subsidiary midas instances to the main system (the one
> with the final mlogger). It also provided a reverse path for run control, where starting
> a run in the main experiment also started the run in all the subsidiary experiments.
> 
> This cascade frontend was never included in the midas distribution (an oversight),
> but I still have the code for it somewhere.
> 
> How many "frontend PC" components do you envision? (10, 100, 1000?).
> 
> In T2K/ND280, each subsidiary experiment had it's own ODB which made sense
> because e.g. the FGD and the TPC were quite different and were managed by different
> groups.
> 
> But for you it probably makes sense to have one common ODB. This means a MIDAS
> structure where ODB is located on the main computer ("event builder PC"),
> all others connect to it via the mserver and midas rpc.
> 
> But you will need to have the MIDAS shared event buffers on each "frontend PC" to be local,
> which means the bm_xxx() functions have run locally instead of throuhg the mserver rpc.
> This is not how midas works right now, but it could be modified to do this.
> 
> On the other hand, you do not have to use midas to write the "frontend pc" code. Today's
> C++ provides enough features - threads, locks, mutexes, shared memories, event queues,
> etc so you can write the whole sub-event builder as one monolithic c++ program
> and use midas only to send the data to the main event builder. (plus midas rpc to handle
> run control). In this scheme, technically, this "frontend pc" program would
> be a multithreaded midas frontend.
> 
> K.O.