Dear MIDAS users,

Here's further information on the third MIDAS workshop:

1) Workshop will take place from 1PM-5PM (Vancouver time) on Aug 7.

2) A mostly finalized agenda for the workshop is posted here:

https://indico.triumf.ca/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=2438

People are still welcome to email me if they want to present something.  We should be able to add it to the schedule.

3) For those who want to participate remotely, we will be using bluejeans.  The webpage for the bluejeans meeting is here:

https://bluejeans.com/462865444

4) For those at TRIUMF I will confirm the meeting room closer to the date.

Thomas


> Dear MIDAS users,
> 
> We would like to announce a third MIDAS workshop at TRIUMF on Aug 7, 2019.
> Stefan Ritt will again be visiting TRIUMF at this time.
> 
> The overall goal of the workshop is to present new features in MIDAS, to discuss
> future changes and to hear experiences from different experiments.
> 
> We expect that some participants will connect remotely to the workshop; we will
> setup a video-conferencing option.  The exact time of the workshop will be
> decided later and will be optimized based on the geographic distribution of
> remote attendees. So please let us know if you want to attend remotely.  We are
> also happy for people to come in person to TRIUMF.  
> 
> A (very) preliminary agenda includes
> 
> - New default mhttpd pages and new APIs for custom pages
> - Conversion of MIDAS to C++
> - new C++ based frontend framework (tmfe and mvodb from ALPHA-g)
> - MySQL/Postgres database for storing ODB configurations
> - Plans for updating history plotting
> - Using MIDAS with an online trigger farm
> - new C++ multithreaded flow analyzer (manalyzer from ALPHA-g)
> 
> But please suggest other topics; we also hope to hear reports from particular
> experiments.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Thomas (on behalf of MIDAS developers)

Dear MIDAS users,

A final reminder about the MIDAS workshop tomorrow.  A couple reminders/notes: 

1) Workshop will take place from 1PM-5:30PM (Vancouver time) on Aug 7.

2) A finalized agenda for the workshop is posted here:

https://indico.triumf.ca/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=2438

Speakers should email me their talks beforehand and I will post them.

3) For those who want to participate remotely, we will be using bluejeans.  The webpage for the bluejeans meeting is here:
 
https://bluejeans.com/462865444

I will start the connection ~20min before the start of the session; people calling in remotely might want to call early, so we can test the sound quality.

4) For those at TRIUMF, the meeting will be in the ISAC-II conference room.

Thomas
 

> Dear MIDAS users,
> 
> Here's further information on the third MIDAS workshop:
> 
> 1) Workshop will take place from 1PM-5PM (Vancouver time) on Aug 7.
> 
> 2) A mostly finalized agenda for the workshop is posted here:
> 
> https://indico.triumf.ca/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=2438
> 
> People are still welcome to email me if they want to present something.  We should be able to add it to the schedule.
> 
> 3) For those who want to participate remotely, we will be using bluejeans.  The webpage for the bluejeans meeting is here:
> 
> https://bluejeans.com/462865444
> 
> 4) For those at TRIUMF I will confirm the meeting room closer to the date.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> > Dear MIDAS users,
> > 
> > We would like to announce a third MIDAS workshop at TRIUMF on Aug 7, 2019.
> > Stefan Ritt will again be visiting TRIUMF at this time.
> > 
> > The overall goal of the workshop is to present new features in MIDAS, to discuss
> > future changes and to hear experiences from different experiments.
> > 
> > We expect that some participants will connect remotely to the workshop; we will
> > setup a video-conferencing option.  The exact time of the workshop will be
> > decided later and will be optimized based on the geographic distribution of
> > remote attendees. So please let us know if you want to attend remotely.  We are
> > also happy for people to come in person to TRIUMF.  
> > 
> > A (very) preliminary agenda includes
> > 
> > - New default mhttpd pages and new APIs for custom pages
> > - Conversion of MIDAS to C++
> > - new C++ based frontend framework (tmfe and mvodb from ALPHA-g)
> > - MySQL/Postgres database for storing ODB configurations
> > - Plans for updating history plotting
> > - Using MIDAS with an online trigger farm
> > - new C++ multithreaded flow analyzer (manalyzer from ALPHA-g)
> > 
> > But please suggest other topics; we also hope to hear reports from particular
> > experiments.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Thomas (on behalf of MIDAS developers)

Hi Stefan,

This change does not sound like a good idea to me.  I think that this change will cause just as much confusion as before; probably more since you are changing established behaviour.

It is common that MIDAS frontends usually have a Settings directory in the ODB where details about the frontend behaviour are set.  The Settings directory might get initialized from strings in the frontend code, but after initialization the Settings in the ODB have precedence and define how the frontend will behave.  Indeed, most of my custom webpages are designed to control my frontend programs through their Settings ODB tree.

So you have created a situation where Frontend/Settings in the ODB has precedence and is the main place for changing frontend behaviour; but Frontend/Common in the ODB is essentially meaningless and will get overwritten the next time the frontend restarts.  That seems likely to confuse people. 

If you really want to make this change I suggest that you delete the Frontend/Common directory entirely; or make it read-only so that people aren't fooled into changing it.

Thomas 



> Today I fixed a long-annoying problem. We have in each front-end an equipment structure 
> which defined the event id, event type, readout frequency etc. This is mapped to the ODB 
> subtree
> 
> /Equipment/<name>/Common
> 
> In the past, the ODB setting took precedence over the frontend structure. We defined this 
> like 25 years ago and I forgot what the exact reason was. It causes however many people 
> (including myself) to fall into this trap: You change something in the front-end EQUIPMENT 
> structure, you restart the front-end, but the new setting does not take effect since the 
> (old) ODB value took precedence. After some debugging you find out that you have to both 
> change the EQUIPMENT structure (which defines the default value for a fresh ODB) and the 
> ODB value itself.
> 
> So I changed it in the current develop tree that the front-end structure takes precedence. 
> You still have a hot-link, so if you want to change anything while the front-end is running 
> (like the readout period), you can do that in the ODB and it takes effect immediately. But 
> when you start the front-end the next time, the value from the EQUIPMENT structure is 
> taken again. So please be aware of this new feature.
> 
> Happy BC day,
> Stefan

Hi Paolo,

Sorry for the slow response.  We were discussing this with Konstantin yesterday.  He is aware of the problem now and will be working on a solution soon.

In the short term I found that it works if you just comment out the offending line:

indnerlt:rootana lindner$ git diff libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx
diff --git a/libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx b/libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx
index 92eb3e9..67da613 100644
--- a/libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx
+++ b/libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx
@@ -191,7 +191,7 @@ bool TMidasOnline::sleep(int mdelay)
   #ifdef CH_IPC
   ss_suspend_set_dispatch(CH_IPC, 0, NULL);
   #else
-  ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
+  //  ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
   #endif
  int status = ss_suspend(mdelay, 0);
   if (status == SS_SUCCESS)

This compiles and at least runs for me; so maybe that is helpful for you.  But Konstantin will provide a longer term solution.



> Hi,
> 
> I posted on the ROOTANA elog but there seems to be little activity there...
> 
> Could someone confirm if this is a bug?
> https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Rootana/14
> 
> Another user replied that they are encountering the same issue, so I think it is unlikely it is just our installation.
> 
> While ROOTANA is unusable for us, I tried to use the example Frontend and Analyzer (under the Experiment source folder). The analyzer does not seem to do much though. A root file is produced but nothing is placed into it. Is that normal?
> 
> Any help would be welcome.

For the record, here's my report of difficulties getting mongoose to compile with macos.  This is a similar 
problem reported before, but with slightly different error messages.  So I put them here for posterity.

Setup: 
- macos: 10.13.6
- xcode: 9.2
- gcc: Thomass-MacBook-Pro-3:build lindner$ gcc --version
Configured with: --prefix=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr --with-gxx-include-
dir=/usr/include/c++/4.2.1
Apple LLVM version 9.0.0 (clang-900.0.39.2)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin17.7.0
- midas: today's version

Start with the openssl version I had already installed.  cmake says 

-- Found OpenSSL: /usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib (found version "1.0.2s") 
-- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.0.2s

make install fails with this error:

[ 35%] Linking CXX executable mhttpd
cd /Users/lindner/packages/midas/build/progs && /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.15.0/bin/cmake -E 
cmake_link_script CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/link.txt --verbose=1
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++  -O2 -g -
DNDEBUG -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names  CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mhttpd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mongoose616.cxx.o CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mgd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/__/mscb/src/mscb.cxx.o  -o mhttpd ../libmidas.a /usr/lib/libssl.dylib 
/usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib -lz -lcurl -lsqlite3
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "_SSL_CTX_set_psk_client_callback", referenced from:
      _mg_ssl_if_conn_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)

Use macports to upgrade to newer openssl

sudo port selfupdate
sudo port upgrade outdated

Now cmake says

-- Found OpenSSL: /usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib (found version "1.1.1g") 
-- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.1.1g

Error message is different now:

cd /Users/lindner/packages/midas/build/progs && /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.15.0/bin/cmake -E 
cmake_link_script CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/link.txt --verbose=1
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++  -O2 -g -
DNDEBUG -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names  CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mhttpd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mongoose616.cxx.o CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mgd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/__/mscb/src/mscb.cxx.o  -o mhttpd ../libmidas.a /usr/lib/libssl.dylib 
/usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib -lz -lcurl -lsqlite3
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "_OPENSSL_init_ssl", referenced from:
      _mg_mgr_init_opt in mongoose616.cxx.o
      _mg_ssl_if_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
  "_SSL_CTX_set_options", referenced from:
      _mg_ssl_if_conn_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
  "_SSL_CTX_set_psk_client_callback", referenced from:
      _mg_ssl_if_conn_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64

Fine.  Doing 'cmake -D NO_SSL=1 ..' to build still works fine; I will stick with that since I don't need SSL on my 
laptop.

Perhaps we should disable SSL by default on Macos?  People may only have ~50% chance of getting it to 
work.
  

Hi,

I fixed this particular case, so that I now I get the run number correctly.

But Konstantin will need to explain how this class is supposed to be used more generally.  The example programs have a mix with sometimes needing leading slashes and other times not:

Thomass-MacBook-Pro-3:rootana lindner$ grep -s 'runinfo/Run' */*.c*
libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx:   fODB->RI("runinfo/Run number", &fCurrentRunNumber);
manalyzer/manalyzer.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
manalyzer/manalyzer_v0.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
old_analyzer/analyzer.cxx:   gOdb->RI("runinfo/Run number", &gRunNumber);

Cheers,
Thomas

> 
> Hi,
> I build MIDAS and ROOTANA using same tag (midas-2020-03-a, rootana-2020-03-a):
> 
> if I build examples in ROOTANA I got wrong run number (always 0):
> 
> [root@lxgentor examples]# ./ana.exe -r9090
> 
> Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> TMidasOnline::connect: Connecting to experiment "exo" on host 
> "lxgentor.na.infn.it"
> MVOdb::SetMidasStatus: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "//runinfo/Run 
> number" returned status 312
> Opened output file with name : output00000000.root
> TDT724Waveform done init...... 
> Create Histos
> Create Histos
> TMidasOnline::eventRequest: Event request: buffer "SYSTEM" (2), event id 
> 0xffffffff, trigger mask 0xffffffff, sample 2, request id: 0
> 
> it seems that some function try to get "//runinfo/Run number" (double slash) 
> instead of "/runinfo/Run number"...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Gennaro

A warning, in case others have the same problem I had.

In the past you could configure mhttpd so that the 'Elog' button would redirect to an external ELOG server; to do this you only needed to create and set the ODB variable '/Elog/URL' to the URL of your external ELOG server.

But with the newer MIDAS you need to set two ODB variables:

* "/Elog/URL" needs to be set to the URL of the external ELOG.
* "/Elog/External Elog" needs to be set to 'y'

I hadn't noticed this and was confused why my Elog button wasn't working after upgrading MIDAS.

MIDAS documentation was updated to reflect this change:

https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Electronic_Logbook_(ELOG)

I have a more subtle point about the new ODB key for using an external elog I mentioned in [1].  I was very confused after changing the ODB "External Elog" because mhttpd still wasn't using my external elog URL.  I started trying to debug mhttpd.cxx, but found a lot of bits of mhttpd didn't seem to be getting called.  I eventually realized that my browser had been caching the responses for some (though not all) of the MIDAS navigation buttons.  Clearing my browser cache fixed the problem and allowed me to use the MIDAS button to the external ELOG.  This caching happens on my macbook for both Firefox 84.0.2 and Safari 13.1.

Many of the requests to mhttpd end up going to send_fp(), where we explicitly set the cache time to 24 hours.

   // send HTTP cache control headers                                                                                               
   time_t now = time(NULL);
   now += (int) (3600 * 24);
   struct tm* gmt = gmtime(&now);
   const char* format = "%A, %d-%b-%y %H:%M:%S GMT";
   char str[256];
   strftime(str, sizeof(str), format, gmt);
   r->rsprintf("Expires: %s\r\n", str);

Some other MIDAS buttons don't seem to be cached by the browser; for instance the response for the 'OldHistory' button doesn't get cached.

Should we remove the cache instruction for at least some of the buttons?  At least for the elog button where we want the link direction to get switched by an ODB key the caching seems a bad idea.

[1] https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/2078

I tried reloading the pages.  If I reloaded the actual elog page 

https://server.triumf.ca/?cmd=Elog

then it bypassed the cache and got the correct updated page from mhttpd.

However, if when I reloaded the status page

https://server.triumf.ca/?cmd=Status

and then clicked the Elog button then I just got the cached (old) page.  Admittedly reloading the status page doesn't make so much sense (once I thought about it), but it is what I tried first (I'm good at modelling unexpected user behaviour); so there is some risk that the user will try reloading the wrong page and will be stuck not getting the external elog page (until 24 hours runs out).

Anyway, I will update the documentation to note that you need to reload the elog page after changing this variable.  That's probably an adequate solution.

I certainly don't suggest getting rid of caching entirely.  I was trying to think whether there was a set of pages where it would make sense to disable the cache (like the elog page).  But maybe that will just cause more problems.


> Let me first explain a bit why caching is there. Once we had the case that someone from 
> TRIUMF opened a midas custom page at T2K. It took about one minute (!) to load the page. 
> 
> When we looked at it, we found that the custom page pulled about 100 items with individual
> HTTP requests from Japan, each taking about one second for the roundtrip. Then we redesigned
> the custom page communication so that many ODB entries could be retrieved in one operation,
> which improved the loading time from 100s to about 2s.
> 
> With the buttons we will have to make the same compromise. If we do not cache anything,
> loading the midas status page over the Pacific takes many seconds. If we cache all, any
> change on the midas side will not be reflected on the web page. So there is a compromise
> to be made. I thought I designed it such that the side menu is cached locally, but when
> the user presses "reload", then the full menu is fetched from the server. Of course one
> has to remember this, so changing the ELOG URL or other things on the menu require a
> reload (or wait a certain time for the cache to expire). So try again if that's working
> for you. If not, I can visit it again and check if there is any bug.
> 
> If we go the route to disable the cache, better try this to T2K and see what you get before
> we commit ourselves to that. Last time TRIUMF people were complaining a lot about long
> load times.
> 
> Best,
> Stefan

Hi Hunter 

This sounds like a Triumf specific problem; 
not a MIDAS problem.  Please email me directly 
and we can try to solve this problem.

Thomas Lindner
TRIUMF DAQ


 Hello all,
> 
> I've recently acquired a MityCAMAC system 
that was built at TRIUMF and I'm 
> having issues accessing it over ethernet.
> 
> The system: Ubuntu VM inside Windows 10 
machine.
> 
> I've tried reconfiguring the network 
settings for the VM but nmap and arp/ip 
> commands have yielded me no results in 
finding the crate controller. 
> 
> I was getting help from Pierre Amaudruz but 
I think he is now busy for some 
> time. I have the mac address of the crate 
controller and its name. The 
> controller seems to initialize fine inside 
of the CAMAC crate. The windows side 
> of the workstation also tells me that an 
unknown network is in fact connected.
> 
> I suspect I either need to do something with 
an ssh key (which I thought we 
> accomplished but maybe not), or perhaps the 
domain name in the controller needs 
> to be changed. 
> 
> If anybody has experience working with 
MityARM I would appreciate any advice I 
> could get.
> 
> Best,
> Hunter Lowe
> UNBC Graduate Physics

Dear MIDAS users,

We would like to arrange another MIDAS workshop, following on from previous successful workshops in 2015, 2017 and 2019.  The 
goals of the workshop would include:

- Getting updates from MIDAS developers on new features and other changes.
- Getting reports from MIDAS users on how they are using MIDAS, what is working and what is not
- Making plans for future MIDAS changes and improvements

This would be a one-day virtual workshop, planned for about 4 hours length.  The workshop will probably be after another of 
Stefan's visits to TRIUMF.

If you would be interested in participating in such a workshop, please help us choose the date by filling out this doodle poll:

https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/dBPVMQJa

Please fill in the poll by June 9, if you are interested.  We will announce the date soon after that.

Thanks,
Thomas

Hi All,

Thanks to everyone who filled out the doodle poll.  

Based on the results we will plan to have this workshop on September 13, at 9AM-1PM (Vancouver) / 6PM-10PM (Geneva).  Apologies to 
those for whom this is a bad time/day; in particular for MIDAS users in Asia.

If you would like to present a report at the workshop on your experiment's MIDAS experience, then please email me (lindner@triumf.ca).  
It would be great to know this in advance so that we can start preparing an agenda.  Feel free to also email me if there are topics 
that you would like addressed at the workshop.

Thanks,
Thomas


> Dear MIDAS users,
> 
> We would like to arrange another MIDAS workshop, following on from previous successful workshops in 2015, 2017 and 2019.  The 
> goals of the workshop would include:
> 
> - Getting updates from MIDAS developers on new features and other changes.
> - Getting reports from MIDAS users on how they are using MIDAS, what is working and what is not
> - Making plans for future MIDAS changes and improvements
> 
> This would be a one-day virtual workshop, planned for about 4 hours length.  The workshop will probably be after another of 
> Stefan's visits to TRIUMF.
> 
> If you would be interested in participating in such a workshop, please help us choose the date by filling out this doodle poll:
> 
> https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/dBPVMQJa
> 
> Please fill in the poll by June 9, if you are interested.  We will announce the date soon after that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas

Dear All,

A quick update on the MIDAS workshop.  Based on the number of planned talks we have made the decision to switch to a two day workshop on Sept 12 and 13 
(rather than just Sept 13).  We decided 4 hours was not enough time to hear all the reports and have fruitful discussions; having a much longer meeting 
on a single day was a bad idea given the time zones involved.

We have a tentative agenda planned for the workshop, which you can see here:

https://indico.psi.ch/event/15025/timetable/

We are still confirming some talks, so the agenda may still change a bit.  But the baseline plan will be that the workshop will be 

8:30AM-12:30PM (PDT) / 5:30PM-9:30PM (CEST)

on Sept 12-13.  We hope that these times still work for everyone planning to attend.

Cheers,
Thomas


> Hi All,
> 
> Thanks to everyone who filled out the doodle poll.  
> 
> Based on the results we will plan to have this workshop on September 13, at 9AM-1PM (Vancouver) / 6PM-10PM (Geneva).  Apologies to 
> those for whom this is a bad time/day; in particular for MIDAS users in Asia.
> 
> If you would like to present a report at the workshop on your experiment's MIDAS experience, then please email me (lindner@triumf.ca).  
> It would be great to know this in advance so that we can start preparing an agenda.  Feel free to also email me if there are topics 
> that you would like addressed at the workshop.
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> 
> > Dear MIDAS users,
> > 
> > We would like to arrange another MIDAS workshop, following on from previous successful workshops in 2015, 2017 and 2019.  The 
> > goals of the workshop would include:
> > 
> > - Getting updates from MIDAS developers on new features and other changes.
> > - Getting reports from MIDAS users on how they are using MIDAS, what is working and what is not
> > - Making plans for future MIDAS changes and improvements
> > 
> > This would be a one-day virtual workshop, planned for about 4 hours length.  The workshop will probably be after another of 
> > Stefan's visits to TRIUMF.
> > 
> > If you would be interested in participating in such a workshop, please help us choose the date by filling out this doodle poll:
> > 
> > https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/dBPVMQJa
> > 
> > Please fill in the poll by June 9, if you are interested.  We will announce the date soon after that.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas

Dear All, 

A final reminder about the MIDAS workshop in 6 days.  A (hopefully) finalized agenda is posted here:

https://indico.psi.ch/event/15025/timetable/

In the overview section of the indico page you will find the zoom link for the workshop.

We plan for the workshop to have a lot of time for discussion. This means that the exact schedule of the workshop is a little uncertain; hence the actual start 
time of each talk will also have some uncertainty.  We have scheduled that each day's session will be around 3.5 hours, but it is possible that the sessions will 
be a little longer in reality.  Stefan and Pierre will try to ensure that we stay roughly on schedule.

Looking forward to seeing people there.

Cheers,
Thomas

> Dear All,
> 
> A quick update on the MIDAS workshop.  Based on the number of planned talks we have made the decision to switch to a two day workshop on Sept 12 and 13 
> (rather than just Sept 13).  We decided 4 hours was not enough time to hear all the reports and have fruitful discussions; having a much longer meeting 
> on a single day was a bad idea given the time zones involved.
> 
> We have a tentative agenda planned for the workshop, which you can see here:
> 
> https://indico.psi.ch/event/15025/timetable/
> 
> We are still confirming some talks, so the agenda may still change a bit.  But the baseline plan will be that the workshop will be 
> 
> 8:30AM-12:30PM (PDT) / 5:30PM-9:30PM (CEST)
> 
> on Sept 12-13.  We hope that these times still work for everyone planning to attend.
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas
> 
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone who filled out the doodle poll.  
> > 
> > Based on the results we will plan to have this workshop on September 13, at 9AM-1PM (Vancouver) / 6PM-10PM (Geneva).  Apologies to 
> > those for whom this is a bad time/day; in particular for MIDAS users in Asia.
> > 
> > If you would like to present a report at the workshop on your experiment's MIDAS experience, then please email me (lindner@triumf.ca).  
> > It would be great to know this in advance so that we can start preparing an agenda.  Feel free to also email me if there are topics 
> > that you would like addressed at the workshop.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
> > 
> > 
> > > Dear MIDAS users,
> > > 
> > > We would like to arrange another MIDAS workshop, following on from previous successful workshops in 2015, 2017 and 2019.  The 
> > > goals of the workshop would include:
> > > 
> > > - Getting updates from MIDAS developers on new features and other changes.
> > > - Getting reports from MIDAS users on how they are using MIDAS, what is working and what is not
> > > - Making plans for future MIDAS changes and improvements
> > > 
> > > This would be a one-day virtual workshop, planned for about 4 hours length.  The workshop will probably be after another of 
> > > Stefan's visits to TRIUMF.
> > > 
> > > If you would be interested in participating in such a workshop, please help us choose the date by filling out this doodle poll:
> > > 
> > > https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/dBPVMQJa
> > > 
> > > Please fill in the poll by June 9, if you are interested.  We will announce the date soon after that.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Thomas

Hi, I would like to restructure our sequencer scripts and the paths. Until now many things are not generic at all. I would like to ask if it is possible to include files through a relative path for example something like 
INCLUDE ../chip/global_basic_functions
Maybe I just did not found how to do it.

Hello there, 
in our setup we use many variables with many different exceptions. Would it be possible to implement something like an 
IF or/and IF statement? I believe that this is currently not possible.
Best regards, 
Thomas Senger

[quote="Stefan Ritt"][quote="Thorsten Lux"]In addition now I cannot start
anymore the mlogger from the web interface but only manually. However, I can
stop it from the web interface.[/quote]

At least that one can be fixed easily. Each program has a certain command with
which one can start it. This has to be put into the ODB under
/Programs/<program>. In your case you probably need

/Programs/Logger/Start command = mlogger -D

to start the logger from the Web page. To debug your run stop problems, I would
recommend to start all programs in a terminal window and look which one crashes
on the run end.

/Stefan[/quote]


Hi Stefan,

under /Programs/Logger/Start command I have
/home/next/MIDAS/midas/linux/bin/mlogger -D . This command does not work if I
press the "Start Logger" button on the mhttpd webpage but when I copy and paste
this command to a terminal window, it does the job. 

Well, thanks to you both for the fast response. I wrote Konstantin an email with
the results of the tests he suggested me to do.

Ciao