> I would like to add manual trigger capability and so I added the EQ_MANUAL_TRIG
> flag to the "CAEN" equipment type but the problem is that the framework calls
> directly the readout function on "Midas manual trigger". To trigger manually the
> CAEN ADC's I have to write some registers and therefore I either need to have a
> function called before the readout function or be able in the readout function
> to know if the call has been triggered by the poll function or "Midas manual
> trigger". I tried to check the value *((DWORD *)pevent) but it seems to be a
> well defined and meaningful value only when the readout function call is
> triggered by the poll function.

Actually there is no way to figure out if your readout function is called normally or 
manually triggered. So I modified the framework to add this functionality. In your 
readout routing you can how call

  flag = DATA_SIZE(pevent);

If flag is zero, this is a normal call, if it's one, it's a manual trigger. To get 
this functionality, you have to update midas.h and mfe.c from the repository (rev. 
4519).

> Are you sure? Only clients that register themselves to receive the TR_STARTABORT transition (via cm_register_transition()) will receive this transition.
> 
> As of now, the only client that registers and receives this transition is mlogger.
> 
> I also confirm that old clients that know nothing about TR_STARTABORT are *not* sent this transition. (this is tested).

Ok, then we are fine.

unsigned int EXPRT mvme_read_value(MVME_INTERFACE * vme, mvme_addr_t vme_addr);

Read single data from VME bus. Useful for register access. See example in
mvme_open()

Parameters:
    	*vme 	  VME structure
    	vme_addr  source address (VME location).

Returns:
    MVME_SUCCESS

int EXPRT mvme_read_value(MVME_INTERFACE *mvme, mvme_addr_t vme_addr, unsigned int *var);

  printf("%d\n", mvme_read_value(...)); 

  unsigned long d;
  mvme_read_value(..., &d);
  printf("%d\n", d);

  status = mvme_read(..., &d, adr, 4); 

> Dear All,
> 
> I'm using SL5 and MIDAS rev 4528. Occasionally, when I stop a run in odbedit, 
> a timeout would occur: 
> [midas.c:9496:rpc_client_call,ERROR] rpc timeout after 121 sec, routine 
> = "rc_transition", host = "computerB", connection closed
> Error: Unknown error 504 from client 'Frontend' on host computerB
> 
> This error seems to be random without any reason or pattern. After this error 
> occurs, I cannot start or stop any run. Sometime restarting MIDAS can bring 
> the system working again, but sometime not.
> 
> Another transition timeout occurs after I change any ODB value using the web 
> interface:
> [midas.c:8291:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer 
> info: 
> [midas.c:3642:cm_transition,ERROR] cannot connect to client "Frontend" on host 
> computerB, port 36255, status 503
> Error: Cannot connect to client 'Frontend'
> 
> This error is reproducible: start run -> change ODB value within webpage -> 
> stop run -> timeout!

A few hints for debugging:

- do the run stop via odbedit and the "-v" flag, like

[local:Online:R]/> stop -v

then you see which computer is contacted when.

- Then put some debugging code into your front-end end_of_run() routine at the 
beginning and the end of that routine, so you see when it's executed and how long 
this takes. If you do lots of things in your EOR routine, this could maybe cause a 
timeout.

- Then make sure that cm_yield() in mfe.c is called periodically by putting some 
debugging code there. This function checks for any network message, such as the 
stop command from odbedit. If you trigger event readout has an endless loop for 
example, cm_yield() will never be called and any transition will timeout.

- Make sure that not 100% CPU is used on your frontend. Some OSes have problems 
handling incoming network connections if the CPU is completely used of if 
input/output operations are too heavy.

- Stefan

> Hi,
> I am writing shell scripts to create some tree structure in an ODB. When 
> creating an array of strings, the default length of each string element is 32 
> characters. If odbedit is used interactively to create the array of strings, 
> the user is prompted to enter a different length if desired. But if the 
> command odbedit is called from a shell script, I did not succeed in passing 
> the argument to get a different length.
> I tried:
> odbedit -c "create STRING Test[8][40]"
> Or:
> odbedit -c "create STRING Test[8] 40"
> Or:
> odbedit -c "create STRING Test[8] \n 40"
> etc. all produce an array of 8 strings with 32 characters each.
> I haven't tried all possible syntaxes, but I suspect the length argument is 
> dropped. If it has not been fixed in a later release than the one I am using, 
> could this problem be looked at?

Ok, I added a command

odbedit -c "create STRING Test[8][40]"

which works now. Please update to SVN revision 4555 of odbedit.c

- Stefan

> I tried to use odbedit to set the "/System/Prompt" to "%h:%e:%s %p> " and got a
> problem: pressing "Return" doesn't work any more. But "[%h:%e:%s]%p> " works fine.
> Please see the attachment.

I fixed that problem in SVN revision 4556. It occurred when the prompt does start with a 
'%' which nobody tried before...

> I set "/Analyzer/ODB Load" to true and analyzed a run in offline mode. After
> that, I found the start time and stop time in /RunInfo did not reflect the
> correct time as in online. How do I retrieve the correct start/stop time from
> the ODB in offline mode?

Most trees in the ODB are not loaded with "/Analyzer/ODB Load", since you might 
want to have the start/stop time of the offline analysis there for example 
(although I agree that the online start/stop time is more interesting). So you 
have several options:

- modify mana.c. There is a function odb_load(), which first locks the whole ODB 
and then unprotects "/Experiment/Run Parameters" for example. Just add three more 
lines for "/Runinfo".

- write a run summary when running online. After each run, write a summary with 
start/stop time, number of events, settings etc. into some file. I usually do this 
in the EOR routine of the online analyzer and write directly into a CSV file which 
I can import directly into Excel. There I can make filtering depending on certain 
parameters, like show me all runs with more than x events where setting y was 10.

- extract the ODB from the .mid file with "odbhist -e filename.mid" and look into 
that.

- The time stamp of each event is in UNIX time form (seconds since 1.1.1970), so 
you now exactly when each event was recorded.

Hope one of this helps...

- Stefan

A new feature has been implemented in revision 4561 which allows runs with a 
certain duration. To use this, one has to set the variaable

/Logger/Run Duration

to a non-zero value in seconds. After a run lasted for this duration, it gets 
stopped automatically by the logger. If the auto-restart flag is on, this allows 
sequences of automatically started and stopped runs with all then have the same 
duration.

> A new feature has been implemented in revision 4561 which allows runs with a 
> certain duration. To use this, one has to set the variaable
> 
> /Logger/Run Duration
> 
> to a non-zero value in seconds. After a run lasted for this duration, it gets 
> stopped automatically by the logger. If the auto-restart flag is on, this allows 
> sequences of automatically started and stopped runs with all then have the same 
> duration.

A similar scheme has been implemented to pose a certain duration on subruns. This can 
be controlled by the variable

/Logger/Subrun duration

when set to a non-zero value in seconds.

> The latest version of mfe.c has a problem where poll_event() is called before
> frontend_init() and this causes a crash because in poll_event() we try to access
> VME before it is initialized in frontend_init(). K.O.

Oops, that sneaked in when doing the last modification to display the frontend status. 
I refactored register_equipment() so that frontend_init() gets called before 
poll_event().

> #define EXPCVADC_COMMON_STR(_name) const char *_name[] = {\
> "[.]",\
>...

Ok, I changed that in odb.c rev. 4620, should be fine now.

> I notice that "mserver -s" (a non-default mode of operation) does not work right
> - if I connect odbedit for the first time, all is okey, if I connect the second
> time, mserver crashes - because after the first connection closed,
> rpc_deregister_functions() was called, rpc_list is deleted and causes a crash
> later on. Because everybody uses the default "mserver -m" mode, I am not sure
> how important it is to fix this.
> K.O.

"mserver -s" is there for historical reasons and for debugging. I started originally 
with a single process server back in the 90's, and only afterwards developed the multi 
process scheme. The single process server now only works for one connection and then 
crashes, as you described. But it can be used for debugging any server connection, 
since you don't have to follow the creation of a subprocess with your debugger, and 
therefore it's much easier. But after the first connection has been closed, you have 
to restart that single server process. Maybe one could add some warning about that, or 
even fix it, but it's nowhere used in production mode.

> Dear All,
> 
> I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
> concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> 
> Semaphore already present
>  There is another process using the semaphore.
>  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
>  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
>    ipcrm sem XXX.
> 
> The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
> overcome this problem?

That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. I 
modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. Can you 
try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

The custom and alias links in the standard midas status page were shown as HTML 
links so far. If there are many links with names having spaces in their names, 
it's a bit hard to distinguish between them. Therefore, they are packed now into 
individual buttons (see attachment) starting from SVN revision 4633 on. This makes 
also the look more homogeneous. If there is any problem with that, please report.

Since the column on the main midas status page with fraction of analyzed events is 
barely used, I decided to drop it. Anyhow it does not make sense for all slow 
control events. If this feature is required in some experiment, I propose to move it 
into a custom page and calculate this ratio in JavaScript, where one has much more 
flexibility. 

This modification frees up more space on the status page for the "Status" column, where 
front-end programs can report errors etc.

The mhttpd program shows some standard buttons in the top row for 
starting/stopping runs, accessing the ODB, Alarms, etc. Since not all experiments 
make use of all buttons, they have been customized. By default mhttpd creates 
following entry in the ODB:

/Experiment/Menu Buttons = Start, ODB, Messages, ELog, Alarms, Programs, History, 
Config, Help

Which is the standard set (except the old CNAF). People can customize this now by 
removing unnecessary buttons or by changing their order. The "Start" entry above 
actually causes the whole set of Start/Stop/Pause/Resume buttons to appear, 
depending on the current run state. 

Hi Jimmy,

ok, now I understand. Well, I don't see your problem. I just tried with the 
current SVN 
version to start

midas/examples/experiment/frontend
midas/examples/slowcont/scfe

in the same directory (without "-h localhost") and it works just fine (see 
attachemnt). I even started them from the same directory. Yes there are *.SHM 
files and they correspond to shared memory, but both front-ends use this shared 
memory together (that's why it's called 'shared').

Your error message 'Semaphore already present' is strange. The string is not 
contained in any midas program, so it must come from somewhere else. Do you 
maybe try to access the same hardware with the two front-end programs?

I would propose you do the following: Use the two front-ends from the 
distribution (see above). They do not access any hardware. See if you can run 
them with the current SVN version of midas. If not, report back to me.

Best regards,

  Stefan


> Dear Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. 
Maybe I 
> have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same 
computer 
> if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
> experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be 
put in 
> different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start 
multiple 
> frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed 
that 
> there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess 
they are 
> the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Jimmy
> 
> 
> > > Dear All,
> > > 
> > > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow 
control)
> > > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > > 
> > > Semaphore already present
> > >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> > >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> > >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> > >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > > 
> > > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I 
can
> > > overcome this problem?
> > 
> > That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. 
I 
> > modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. 
Can you 
> > try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

/Experiment/Menu Buttons = Start, ODB, Messages, ELog, Alarms, Programs, History, MSCB, Config, Help

[local:MEG:R]/MSCB>ls -r
MSCB
    Submaster
        mscb004
            Pwd                 xxxxx
            Comment             BTS
            Address             1
        mscb034
            Pwd                 xxxxx
            Comment             XEC HV & LED
            Address
                                0
                                1
                                2

/Equipment/<name>/Settings/Devices/Input/Device

/Equipment/<name>/Settings/Devices/<name>/MSCB Device