Indeed the ODB settings are obsolete. Now that the status page is fully dynamic 
(JavaScript), it's much more powerful to modify the status.html page directly. You 
can not only hide the buttons, but also remove the run numbers, the running time, 
and so on. This is much more flexible than steering things through the ODB.

If there is a general need for that, I can draft a "non-run" based status page, but 
it's a bit hard to make a one-fits-all. Like some might even remove the logging 
channels and the clients, but add certain things like if their slow control front-
end is running etc.

Best,
Stefan

Hi Stefan,

> Indeed the ODB settings are obsolete.

I just applied for an account for the wiki.
I'll try add a note regarding this change.

> Now that the status page is fully dynamic 
> (JavaScript), it's much more powerful to modify the status.html page directly. You 
> can not only hide the buttons, but also remove the run numbers, the running time, 
> and so on. This is much more flexible than steering things through the ODB.

Very true. Currently I copied the resources/midas.css into the experiment directory and appended:

#runNumberCell { display: none;}
#runStatusStartTime { display: none;}
#runStatusStopTime { display: none;}
#runStatusSequencer { display: none;}
#logChannel { display: none;}

See screenshot attached. :-)

But if feels a little clunky to copy the whole file just to add five lines.
It might be more elegant if status.html looked for a user css file in addition
to the default ones.

> If there is a general need for that, I can draft a "non-run" based status page, but 
> it's a bit hard to make a one-fits-all. Like some might even remove the logging 
> channels and the clients, but add certain things like if their slow control front-
> end is running etc.

The logging channels are easily removed with the css (see attachment), but it might be
nice if the string "Run Status" table title was also configurable by css. For this
slow control system I'd probably change it to something like "GSC Status". Again
this is a minor thing, I could trivially do this by copying the resources/status.html
to the experiment directory and editing it.

Lots of fun new stuff migrating from circa 2012 midas to midas-2022-05-c :-)

Cheers,

Nick.

> Hi Stefan,
> 
> > Indeed the ODB settings are obsolete.
> 
> I just applied for an account for the wiki.
> I'll try add a note regarding this change.

Please coordinate with Ben Smith at TRIUMF <bsmith@triumf.ca>, who coordinates the documentation. 


> Very true. Currently I copied the resources/midas.css into the experiment directory and appended:
> 
> #runNumberCell { display: none;}
> #runStatusStartTime { display: none;}
> #runStatusStopTime { display: none;}
> #runStatusSequencer { display: none;}
> #logChannel { display: none;}
> 
> See screenshot attached. :-)
> 
> But if feels a little clunky to copy the whole file just to add five lines.
> It might be more elegant if status.html looked for a user css file in addition
> to the default ones.

I would not go to change the CSS file. You only can hide some tables. But in a while I'm sure you
want to ADD new things, which you only can do by editing the status.html file. You don't have to
change midas/resources/status.html, but can make your own "custom status", name it differently, and
link /Custom/Default in the ODB to it. This way it does not get overwritten if you pull midas.


> The logging channels are easily removed with the css (see attachment), but it might be
> nice if the string "Run Status" table title was also configurable by css. For this
> slow control system I'd probably change it to something like "GSC Status". Again
> this is a minor thing, I could trivially do this by copying the resources/status.html
> to the experiment directory and editing it.

See above. I agree that the status.html file is a bit complicated and not so easy to understand
as the CSS file, but you can do much more by editing it.

> Lots of fun new stuff migrating from circa 2012 midas to midas-2022-05-c :-)

I always advise people to frequently pull, they benefit from the newest features and avoid the
huge amount of work to migrate from a 10 year old version.

Best,
Stefan

I believe the original "hide run start / stop" was added specifically for ND280 GSC MIDAS. I do not know 
why it was removed. "hide pause / resume" is still there. I will restore them. Hiding logger channel 
section should probably be automatic of there is no /logger/channels, I can check if it works and what 
happens if there is more than one logger channel. K.O.

Hi

> > > Indeed the ODB settings are obsolete.
> > 
> > I just applied for an account for the wiki.
> > I'll try add a note regarding this change.
> 
> Please coordinate with Ben Smith at TRIUMF <bsmith@triumf.ca>, who coordinates the documentation. 

I will tread lightly. 

> I would not go to change the CSS file. You only can hide some tables. But in a while I'm sure you
> want to ADD new things, which you only can do by editing the status.html file. You don't have to
> change midas/resources/status.html, but can make your own "custom status", name it differently, and
> link /Custom/Default in the ODB to it. This way it does not get overwritten if you pull midas.

We have *many* custom pages. The submenus on the status page:

&#9656; FGD
&#9656; TPC
&#9656; TRIPt

hide custom pages with all sorts of good stuff.

> > The logging channels are easily removed with the css (see attachment), but it might be
> > nice if the string "Run Status" table title was also configurable by css. For this
> > slow control system I'd probably change it to something like "GSC Status". Again
> > this is a minor thing, I could trivially do this by copying the resources/status.html
> > to the experiment directory and editing it.
> 
> See above. I agree that the status.html file is a bit complicated and not so easy to understand
> as the CSS file, but you can do much more by editing it.

I may end up doing this since the events and data columns do not provide particularly
useful information in this instance. But for now, the css route seems like a quick and
fairly clean way to remove irrelevant stuff from a prominent place at the top of the page.
 
> > Lots of fun new stuff migrating from circa 2012 midas to midas-2022-05-c :-)
> 
> I always advise people to frequently pull, they benefit from the newest features and avoid the
> huge amount of work to migrate from a 10 year old version.

The long delay was not my choice. The group responsible for the system departed in 2018, and
and were not replaced by the experiment management. Lack of personnel/expertise resulted in
a "if it's not broken then don't fix it" situation. Eventually, the need to update the PCs/OSs
and the imminent introduction of new sub-detectors resulted people agreeing to the update. 

Cheers,

Nick.

> I believe the original "hide run start / stop" was added specifically for ND280 GSC MIDAS. I do not know 
> why it was removed. "hide pause / resume" is still there. I will restore them. Hiding logger channel 
> section should probably be automatic of there is no /logger/channels, I can check if it works and what 
> happens if there is more than one logger channel. K.O.

Very likely it was "forgotten" when the status page was converted to a dynamic page by Shouyi Ma. Since he is 
not around any more, it's up to us to adapt status.html if needed.

Stefan

> I believe the original "hide run start / stop" was added specifically for ND280 GSC MIDAS. I do not know 
> why it was removed. "hide pause / resume" is still there. I will restore them. Hiding logger channel 
> section should probably be automatic of there is no /logger/channels, I can check if it works and what 
> happens if there is more than one logger channel. K.O.

Actually one thing is the functionality of the /Experiment/Start-Stop button in status.html, but the other is 
the warning we get from mhttpd:

[mhttpd,ERROR] [mhttpd.cxx:1957:init_mhttpd_odb,ERROR] ODB "/Experiment/Start-Stop Buttons" is obsolete, please 
delete it.

This was added by KO on Nov. 29, 2019 (commit 2366eefc). So we have to decide re-enable this feature (and 
remove the warning above), or keep it dropped and work on changes of status.hmtl.

Stefan

Dear all,
       I'm writing a very simple device driver starting from the nulldev.cxx 
example. 

I define an equipment as reported at the end of this message then, if all 
variables are Input variables, I define them with:

  mdevice device("myEquimpent", "Input", DF_INPUT | DF_MULTITHREAD, mydevice);
  device.define_var("Var1", 0.1);
  device.define_var("Var2", 0.1);
  ...

If all variables are output variables, I define them with:

  mdevice device("myEquipment", "Output", DF_OUTPUT | DF_MULTITHREAD, mydevice);
  device.define_var("Var1", 0.1);
  device.define_var("Var2", 0.1);

But I don't know what to do if I have mixed input and output variables in the same 
device. I think I can do:

  mdevice device_in("myEquipment", "Input", DF_INPUT | DF_MULTITHREAD, mydevice);
  device.define_var("Var1", 0.1);

  mdevice device_out("myEquipment", "Output", DF_OUTPUT | DF_MULTITHREAD, 
mydevice);
  device.define_var("Var2", 0.1);

but in this case, inside mydevice.cxx, I don't know how to distinguish Var1 and 
Var2, because they are both identified as channel 0.

Do you have any suggestion?

Thank you,
      Francesco




-------------------------------------------------------------------



   {"SourceMotor",                       /* equipment name */
    {7, 0,                       /* event ID, trigger mask */
     "SYSTEM",                  /* event buffer */
     EQ_SLOW,                   /* equipment type */
     0,                         /* event source */
     "MIDAS",                   /* format */
     TRUE,                      /* enabled */
     RO_ALWAYS,        /* read when running and on transitions */
     60000,                     /* read every 60 sec */
     0,                         /* stop run after this event limit */
     0,                         /* number of sub events */
     1,                         /* log history every event */
     "", "", ""} ,
    cd_multi_read,                 /* readout routine */
    cd_multi,                      /* class driver main routine */
   },

The "multi" class driver takes care of that. It properly calls the SET and GET functions 
with the correct index. The code for that is in multi.cxx:105:

 device_driver(m_info->driver_input[i], CMD_GET,
               i - m_info->channel_offset_input[i],
               &m_info->var_input[i]);

The "channel_offset_input" and "channel_offset_output" store the first index of the 
channel in the overall ODB array (where inputs and outputs are staggered together), so 
the device_driver is always called with an index 0...n each for input and output, but 
with different commands CMD_GET and CMD_SET. You can take the mscbdev.cxx device driver 
as a working example.

Stefan

Good evening, 

I am setting up Midas (v2.1) for a new experiment. We want to save the data in the ROOT format. We installed ROOT from source (v6.28/06), and ROOTSYS is set. When we compile Midas, it says that it found ROOT. We set up a second logger channel where we set the filename to run%05d.root, the format to ROOT, and the output to ROOT. Nevertheless, when starting a run, the logger writes the error that "channel '1' requested ROOT output, but mlogger is built without HAVE_ROOT". From the CMake file, I would assume that it is set automatically if ROOT is found. Do you have any idea why the mlogger does not find ROOT or save the data in the ROOT format?

Thanks in advance for your ideas, input, and help. 

Cheers,
Ivo

> I am setting up Midas (v2.1) for a new experiment. We want to save the data in the ROOT format. We installed ROOT from source (v6.28/06), and ROOTSYS is set. When we compile Midas, it says that it found ROOT. We set up a second logger channel where we set the filename to run%05d.root, the format to ROOT, and the output to ROOT. Nevertheless, when starting a run, the logger writes the error that "channel '1' requested ROOT output, but mlogger is built without HAVE_ROOT". From the CMake file, I would assume that it is set automatically if ROOT is found. Do you have any idea why the mlogger does not find ROOT or save the data in the ROOT format?

when you build midas using "make cmake", it prints information about packages that it finds (or does not). please post this here. it would be even more helpful if you post the whole output of "make cmake" (make cmake >& make.log, post make.log here as attachment).

historically, this problem has been a major annoyance over the years, mlogger would not find ROOT when needed, will find the wrong ROOT when not needed or ROOT at run time will be different from ROOT at build time. "cmake" has been of no help in improving on this, only made all debugging more difficult.

K.O.

When you do "cmake .." in the build directory, you will see

-- MIDAS: Found ROOT version xxx in yyy

which will tell you that ROOT has been found. Then you should check if it has been turned off manually by doing\

ccmake ..

in the build directory. You will then see all the control variables. Make sure NO_ROOT is turned OFF (meaning ROOT is enabled).

Finally, make sure you start "rmlogger" and not "mlogger". Only "rmlogger" contains the ROOT binding.

Stefan

> Finally, make sure you start "rmlogger" and not "mlogger". Only "rmlogger" contains the ROOT binding.

Stefan is right. I forgot this. As solution to our troubles, mlogger is built without root support. use rmlogger instead.

K.O.

> Stefan is right. I forgot this. As solution to our troubles, mlogger is built without root support. use rmlogger instead.
> 
> K.O.

Thanks, Stefan and Konstantin, for your feedback. 

So I checked the cmake file, and already the existence of the rmlogger shows that HAVE_ROOT was set. It was really only the problem of not being aware of rmlogger. This now works, and it produces root files that are readable. 

However, we encountered a new problem not that it does not find a bank that is produced by a multi-threaded slow-control frontend. The logger triggers the error "mlogger.cxx:3328:root_book_bank,ERROR] received unknown bank 'MSRD' in event #8". After this, we get a segmentation violation, but I guess this is then coming from the error. If we run only the polled FE, it works fine. If we run the polled and the multi-threaded FE with only the logger saving mid files, it works fine as well. Are you aware of issues with multi-threaded slow-control frontends and saving their banks in root format?

Cheers,
Ivo

No, I'm not aware of this problem, but I suspect that your events somehow got corrupted. You can try the mdump utility
or the "Event Dump" web page to peek into your events, maybe you see an issue there. To give you more detailed information,
I would have to reproduce your problem, which is probably hard without your hardware.

Stefan

> No, I'm not aware of this problem, but I suspect that your events somehow got corrupted. You can try the mdump utility
> or the "Event Dump" web page to peek into your events, maybe you see an issue there. To give you more detailed information,
> I would have to reproduce your problem, which is probably hard without your hardware.
> 
> Stefan

Hi Stefan,

So I did a few things:
- I checked with mdump online, the data stream looks good, and I can see the bank name properly
- I checked with mdump offline the .mid files, the banks are there, and the data look good
- I removed the creating of the bank MSRD in the class driver. This stopped the writing of the data in the midas/root file but kept the stream to the history files. In principle, this is a quick and dirty fix because we still have all the data in the history files. Do you see any bigger problem with that solution?
- I tried to run the multi-threaded slow-control frontend with the generic class driver (generic.cxx) and the nulldev device driver (nulldev.cxx). This produces the DMND and MSRD bank with and also produces the error in the with the logger when trying to save in the root format (received unknown bank "DMND" in event #8). This means it is not related to the devices (maybe some other part of my user code of course). 

Cheers,
Ivo

Good morning, 

In our setup, we have a neutron detector that creates up to 16 MB of polled (EQ_POLLED) data in one event (event limit = 1) that we do not want to have saved into the ODB. Nevertheless, I cannot disable it. The equipment has only the read-on-flag RO_RUNNING, and the read-on value in the ODB is 1. The data are also not saved to the history. I also tried with a minimal example frontend with the same settings, but also those "data" get written to the ODB. For now, I increased the size of the ODB to 40 MB (50% for keys and 50% for data is automatic), but in principle, I do not want it to be saved to the ODB at all. Is there something I am missing?

Thanks in advance for your advice. 

Cheers,
Ivo

I cannot confirm that. I just tried myself with examples/experiment/frontend.cxx, removed the RO_ODB, and the trigger events did NOT get copied to the ODB.

Actually you can debug the code yourself. The relevant line is in mfe.cxx:2075:

   /* send event to ODB */
   if (pevent->data_size && (eq_info->read_on & RO_ODB)) {
      if (actual_millitime - eq->last_called > ODB_UPDATE_TIME) {
         eq->last_called = actual_millitime;
         update_odb(pevent, eq->hkey_variables, eq->format);
         eq->odb_out++;
      }
   }

so if read_on is equal 1, the function update_odb should never be called.

So the problem must be on your side.

Best,
Stefan

Dear MIDAQ developers,

I wonder if there is a non-intrusive way to have an external (wrt MIDAS)*SQL database 
serving as a primary source of the run number information for a MIDAS-based DAQ system? 
- like a plugin with a getNextRunNumber() function, for example, or a special client?

Here is the use case: 

- multiple subdetectors are taking test data during early commissioning 
- a postgres db is a single sorce of run numbers.
- test runs taken by different subsystems are assigned different [unique] run numbers and 
  the data taken by the subsystem are identified not by the run number/dataset name , but 
  by the run type, different for different susbsystems.

-- many thanks, regards, Pasha

> I wonder if there is a non-intrusive way to have an external (wrt MIDAS)*SQL database 
> serving as a primary source of the run number information for a MIDAS-based DAQ system? 
> - like a plugin with a getNextRunNumber() function, for example, or a special client?

One of my experiments has special rules for run numbering as well. I created a client that registers a begin-of-run transition handler with sequence 1 (so it's the first client to handle the begin-of-run transition). That client updates "/Runinfo/Run number" in the ODB. 

This mostly works. mlogger will create .mid files based on the new run number, the ODB dumps within those files show the new run number etc.

But there are 2 quirks. Let's say your client changed the number from 11 to 400. The message log will say "Run #11 started" and "Run #400 stopped". And the history system will record the start/stop times the same way. That only matters for when you're viewing history plots on the webpage and zoom in far enough to see the run transitions (represented by green and red vertical dashed lines) - the green line will be labelled 11 and the red line 400.

Depending on the exact logic you need, you may be able to avoid these quirks by also recomputing the run number before the user even tries to start a run (e.g. after the end of the previous run, or when the user changes an important setting in the ODB). If you're changing the run number between runs, make sure to set it to "desired number - 1", as midas will increment the run number automatically before handling the next start run request.