Dear All,

I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 

Semaphore already present
 There is another process using the semaphore.
 Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
 In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
   ipcrm sem XXX.

The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
overcome this problem?

Thanks!

Jimmy

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>...

Ok, I changed that in odb.c rev. 4620, should be fine now.

> Dear All,
> 
> I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
> concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> 
> Semaphore already present
>  There is another process using the semaphore.
>  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
>  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
>    ipcrm sem XXX.
> 
> The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
> overcome this problem?

That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. I 
modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. Can you 
try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Dear Stefan,

Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. Maybe I 
have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same computer 
if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be put in 
different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start multiple 
frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed that 
there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess they are 
the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.

Best Regards,
Jimmy


> > Dear All,
> > 
> > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
> > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > 
> > Semaphore already present
> >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > 
> > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
> > overcome this problem?
> 
> That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. I 
> modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. Can you 
> try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Hi Jimmy,

ok, now I understand. Well, I don't see your problem. I just tried with the 
current SVN 
version to start

midas/examples/experiment/frontend
midas/examples/slowcont/scfe

in the same directory (without "-h localhost") and it works just fine (see 
attachemnt). I even started them from the same directory. Yes there are *.SHM 
files and they correspond to shared memory, but both front-ends use this shared 
memory together (that's why it's called 'shared').

Your error message 'Semaphore already present' is strange. The string is not 
contained in any midas program, so it must come from somewhere else. Do you 
maybe try to access the same hardware with the two front-end programs?

I would propose you do the following: Use the two front-ends from the 
distribution (see above). They do not access any hardware. See if you can run 
them with the current SVN version of midas. If not, report back to me.

Best regards,

  Stefan


> Dear Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. 
Maybe I 
> have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same 
computer 
> if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
> experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be 
put in 
> different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start 
multiple 
> frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed 
that 
> there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess 
they are 
> the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Jimmy
> 
> 
> > > Dear All,
> > > 
> > > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow 
control)
> > > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > > 
> > > Semaphore already present
> > >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> > >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> > >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> > >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > > 
> > > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I 
can
> > > overcome this problem?
> > 
> > That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. 
I 
> > modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. 
Can you 
> > try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Dear Stefan,

I followed your suggestion to try the sample front-ends from the distribution and 
they work fine. They also work fine with any one of my front-ends. Only my two 
front-ends cannot run concurrently in the same directory. I later found that the 
problem is in the CAEN HV wrapper library. The problem arises when the front-ends 
are both linked to that library and it is solved now.

Thanks & Best Regards,
Jimmy


> Hi Jimmy,
> 
> ok, now I understand. Well, I don't see your problem. I just tried with the 
> current SVN 
> version to start
> 
> midas/examples/experiment/frontend
> midas/examples/slowcont/scfe
> 
> in the same directory (without "-h localhost") and it works just fine (see 
> attachemnt). I even started them from the same directory. Yes there are *.SHM 
> files and they correspond to shared memory, but both front-ends use this shared 
> memory together (that's why it's called 'shared').
> 
> Your error message 'Semaphore already present' is strange. The string is not 
> contained in any midas program, so it must come from somewhere else. Do you 
> maybe try to access the same hardware with the two front-end programs?
> 
> I would propose you do the following: Use the two front-ends from the 
> distribution (see above). They do not access any hardware. See if you can run 
> them with the current SVN version of midas. If not, report back to me.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>   Stefan
> 
> 
> > Dear Stefan,
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. 
> Maybe I 
> > have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same 
> computer 
> > if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
> > experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be 
> put in 
> > different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start 
> multiple 
> > frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed 
> that 
> > there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess 
> they are 
> > the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Jimmy
> > 
> > 
> > > > Dear All,
> > > > 
> > > > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow 
> control)
> > > > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > > > 
> > > > Semaphore already present
> > > >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> > > >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> > > >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> > > >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > > > 
> > > > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I 
> can
> > > > overcome this problem?
> > > 
> > > That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. 
> I 
> > > modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. 
> Can you 
> > > try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Hi,

On a custom web page, can a "filled" area be made to flash (i.e. cycle between 
two colours)? This area would have to update faster than the whole page update.
 
I have a custom page representing a gas system, and the users
want the heaters to flash when they are on, as is done in their EPICS page.

Thanks,
Suzannah 

I want to let the run stop and start periodically. But I looked through the ODB
and didn't find anything may help. I also checked the FAQ online and didn't find
answer either. Who can help me? Thank you.

Hi Exaos,

This may help: https://ladd00.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/645

You need to set the following keys:
/Logger/Run duration
/Logger/Auto restart
/Logger/Auto restart delay

Regards,
Jimmy


> I want to let the run stop and start periodically. But I looked through the ODB
> and didn't find anything may help. I also checked the FAQ online and didn't find
> answer either. Who can help me? Thank you.

Dear All,

After clicking the "Start" button, there is a page for the operator to change some 
ODB values. I have created "/Experiment/Edit on start" and added some links there. 
If the link is pointed to a boolean type key, a check box will appear in the 
"Start" page, which is great. But how about if I want to have some radio buttons 
or pull-down menus for the operator to select among different calibration sources 
or running modes?

Thanks,

Jimmy

do: svn co svn+ssh://svn@savannah.psi.ch/afs/psi.ch/project/meg/svn/midas/trunk
midas
shows: ssh: connect to host savannah.psi.ch port 22: Connection timed out
svn: Connection closed unexpectedly

> do: svn co svn+ssh://svn@savannah.psi.ch/afs/psi.ch/project/meg/svn/midas/trunk
> midas
> shows: ssh: connect to host savannah.psi.ch port 22: Connection timed out
> svn: Connection closed unexpectedly

sorry, my side network problem.
N.

Dear experts,

I use fedora 12 and midas 4680. there is problem to start run when the frontend
application runs fine. 


# odbedit -c start


Starting run #18
[midas.c:8423:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer info: 
[midas.c:3659:cm_transition,ERROR] cannot connect to client
"feTPCPacketReceiver" on host tpcdaq0, port 36663, status 503
[midas.c:8423:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer info: 
[midas.c:4880:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Cannot connect to client 'frontend' on host
'hostname', port 36663
[midas.c:4883:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Killing and Deleting client
'feTPCPacketReceiver' pid 24516
[midas.c:3857:cm_transition,ERROR] Could not start a run: cm_transition() status
503, message 'Cannot connect to client 'frontend''
Run #18 start aborted
Error: Cannot connect to client 'frontend'

11:03:42 [Logger,INFO] Deleting previous file "/home/daq/Run/online/run00018.mid"

11:03:42 [Logger,INFO] Client 'feTPCPacketReceiver' on buffer 'SYSMSG' removed
by cm_watchdog because client pid 24516 does not exist

11:03:42 [Logger,ERROR] [system.c:563:ss_shm_close,ERROR]
shmctl(shmid=7274511,IPC_RMID) failed, errno 1 (Operation not permitted)

11:03:42 [ODBEdit,INFO] Run #18 start aborted
==========================================================================

there are several ethernet cards on the host machine. eth0 connect the host
machine to the gateway machine and the front end application listen to eth1 for
the incoming data packets:

eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx  
          inet addr:10.0.1.1  Bcast:10.0.1.63  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::f6ce:46ff:fe99:709b/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:470870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:515987 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:345000246 (329.0 MiB)  TX bytes:377269124 (359.7 MiB)
          Interrupt:17 

eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx   
          inet addr:10.0.1.2  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::226:55ff:fed6:56a9/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:1836 (1.7 KiB)
          Memory:ec180000-ec1a0000 


thanks for hints

> I use fedora 12 and midas 4680. there is problem to start run when the frontend
> application runs fine. 

I don't know exactly what is wrong, but I would check following things:

- does your feTCPPacketReceiver die during the start-of-run? Maybe you do some segfault 
int he begin-of-run routine. Can you STOP a run?

- is there any network problem due to your two cards? When you try to stop your fe from 
odbedit with

# odbedit -c "shutdown feTCPPacketReceiver"

do you then get the same error? The shutdown functionality uses the same RPC channel as 
the start/stop run. Some people had firewall problems, on both sides (host AND client), 
so make sure all firewalls are disabled.

- if you disable one network card, do you still get the same problem?

> - does your feTCPPacketReceiver die during the start-of-run? Maybe you do some segfault 
> int he begin-of-run routine. Can you STOP a run?
when start a run, it bring the mtransition process and I guess the server try to talk to the
client, then it fails and the frontend application get killed since not response.

>> When you try to stop your fe from 
> odbedit with  # odbedit -c "shutdown feTCPPacketReceiver"

it gets
[midas.c:8423:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer info: 
[midas.c:4880:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Cannot connect to client
"feTPCPacketReceiver" on host 'tpcdaq0', port 35865
[midas.c:4883:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Killing and Deleting client
'feTPCPacketReceiver' pid 27250
Client feTPCPacketReceiver not active


what does this error mean? :
11:03:42 [Logger,ERROR] [system.c:563:ss_shm_close,ERROR]
shmctl(shmid=7274511,IPC_RMID) failed, errno 1 (Operation not permitted)


thanks
hai

p.s. that code runs fine on my laptop with ubuntu 9, so that also be possible that somewhere
my configuration not right to cause problem

Dear All,

This is my first time running an experiment on separate computers. I followed 
the documentation (https://midas.psi.ch/htmldoc/quickstart.html) to setup the 
files:
/etc/services
/etc/xinetd.d/midas
/etc/ld.so.conf
/etc/exptab

but when I started the frontend program in the front-end computer I got the 
following error (computerB is my back-end): 

[midas.c:8623:rpc_server_connect,ERROR] mserver subprocess could not be started 
(check path)
[mfe.c:2573:mainFE,ERROR] Cannot connect to experiment '' on host 'computerB', 
status 503

In both front-end and back-end computers only a file '.SYSMSG.SHM' was created 
after the attempt. If I start the frontend program somewhere in the back-end 
computer by connecting to 'localhost', seven .SHM files are created in the 
experiment directory together with a .RPC.SHM in the directory where I run the 
frontend program.

Is that I misconfigure something? I cannot find a solution...

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Jimmy

> This is my first time running an experiment on separate computers. I followed 
> the documentation (https://midas.psi.ch/htmldoc/quickstart.html) to setup the 
> files:
> /etc/services
> /etc/xinetd.d/midas


Hi, there. I have not recently run mserver through inetd, and we usually do not do
that at TRIUMF. We do this:

a) on the main computer: start mserver: "mserver -p 7070 -D" (note - use non-default
port - can use different ports for different experiments)
b) on remote computer: "odbedit -h main:7070" ("main" is the hostname of your main
computer). Use same "-h" switch for all other programs, including the frontends.

This works well when all computers are on the same network, but if you have some
midas clients running on private networks you may get into trouble when they try to
connect to each other and fail because network routing is funny.


K.O.

> Hi, there. I have not recently run mserver through inetd, and we usually do not do
> that at TRIUMF. We do this:
> 
> a) on the main computer: start mserver: "mserver -p 7070 -D" (note - use non-default
> port - can use different ports for different experiments)
> b) on remote computer: "odbedit -h main:7070" ("main" is the hostname of your main
> computer). Use same "-h" switch for all other programs, including the frontends.
> 
> This works well when all computers are on the same network, but if you have some
> midas clients running on private networks you may get into trouble when they try to
> connect to each other and fail because network routing is funny.

Hi K.O.,

Thanks for your reply. I have tried your way but I got the same error: 

[midas.c:8623:rpc_server_connect,ERROR] mserver subprocess could not be started 
(check path)

My front-end and back-end computers are on the same network connected by a router. I 
have allowed port 7070 in the firewall and done the port forwarding in the router (for 
connecting from outside the network). From the error message it seems that some 
processes can not be started automatically. Could it be related to some security 
settings such as the SELinux?

Best Regards,
Jimmy

> > Hi, there. I have not recently run mserver through inetd, and we usually do not do
> > that at TRIUMF. We do this:
> > 
> > a) on the main computer: start mserver: "mserver -p 7070 -D" (note - use non-default
> > port - can use different ports for different experiments)
> > b) on remote computer: "odbedit -h main:7070" ("main" is the hostname of your main
> > computer). Use same "-h" switch for all other programs, including the frontends.
> > 
> > This works well when all computers are on the same network, but if you have some
> > midas clients running on private networks you may get into trouble when they try to
> > connect to each other and fail because network routing is funny.
> 
> Hi K.O.,
> 
> Thanks for your reply. I have tried your way but I got the same error: 
> 
> [midas.c:8623:rpc_server_connect,ERROR] mserver subprocess could not be started 
> (check path)
> 
> My front-end and back-end computers are on the same network connected by a router. I 
> have allowed port 7070 in the firewall and done the port forwarding in the router (for 
> connecting from outside the network). From the error message it seems that some 
> processes can not be started automatically. Could it be related to some security 
> settings such as the SELinux?

The way connections work under Midas is there is a callback scheme. The client starts 
mserver on the back-end, then the back-end connects back to the front-end on three 
different ports. These ports are assigned dynamically by the operating system and are 
typically in the range 40000-60000. So you also have to allow the reverse connection on 
your firewalls.