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  1131   02 Nov 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfosynchronous ajax deprecated
> We're using mhttpd for calls that end up working better with asynchronous requests, and we've built up sort of a parallel, asynchronous library using javascript Promises.
> 
> The Promises (which are in the ES6 spec) have worked incredibly well for building well-behaved, sequential calls to mhttpd.  Personally, I also find their syntax much easier to wrap my
> head around, especially compared to callbacks.
> 

Yes, the javascript wrappers for the json-rpc interface follow the Promise pattern - an RPC call is provided with two user functions,
one is called on success (and provides the rpc reply), the other on failure (and provides all rpc call information - the xhr object, any exception context, etc).

Use of the Promise class itself seems to be problematic - apparently it does not exist in google chrome 28 (the last version for RHEL/CentOS/SL6).

SL6 is still our main workhorse and it is good to have a choice of 2 browsers (old google chrome vs old firefox).

(All SL5 web browsers are already unusable with the modern web and current mhttpd.)

(Also the RPC calls have more than 1 item of data permitted by the javascript Promise class - of course it can be wrapped
be a container object - just an extra complication to document and to understand).

K.O.
  1130   30 Oct 2015 Stefan RittInfosynchronous ajax deprecated
> We're using mhttpd for calls that end up working better with asynchronous requests, and we've built up sort of a parallel, asynchronous library using javascript Promises.
> 
> The Promises (which are in the ES6 spec) have worked incredibly well for building well-behaved, sequential calls to mhttpd.  Personally, I also find their syntax much easier to wrap my
> head around, especially compared to callbacks.
> 
> I'd be happy to add these functions to midas.js if there's general interest. 

Why don't you post the functions here so that we can have a look? They don't have to be incorporated into mhttpd.js necessarily, but could live in a separate file, the people can choose which one to use.

Stefan
  1129   29 Oct 2015 Amy RobertsInfosynchronous ajax deprecated
We're using mhttpd for calls that end up working better with asynchronous requests, and we've built up sort of a parallel, asynchronous library using javascript Promises.

The Promises (which are in the ES6 spec) have worked incredibly well for building well-behaved, sequential calls to mhttpd.  Personally, I also find their syntax much easier to wrap my
head around, especially compared to callbacks.

I'd be happy to add these functions to midas.js if there's general interest. 

> If using a synchronous AJAX call, such as "foo=ODBGet("/runinfo/state");", google chrome will prints this to the javascript console:
> 
> "Synchronous XMLHttpRequest on the main thread is deprecated because of its detrimental effects to the end user's experience. For more help, check http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/."
> 
> The referenced URL has this text:
> 
> "Synchronous XMLHttpRequest outside of workers is in the process of being removed from the web platform as it has detrimental effects to the end user's experience. (This is a long 
> process that takes many years.) Developers must not pass false for the async argument when the JavaScript global environment is a document environment. User agents are strongly 
> encouraged to warn about such usage in developer tools and may experiment with throwing an InvalidAccessError exception when it occurs."
> 
> Then jQuery say this: http://api.jquery.com/jquery.ajax/
> 
> "As of jQuery 1.8, the use of async: false with jqXHR ($.Deferred) is deprecated; you must use the success/error/complete callback options instead of the corresponding methods of the 
> jqXHR object such as jqXHR.done() or the deprecated jqXHR.success()."
> 
> This sounds rather severe but one must flow with the flow. Synchronous RPC is out, async is in.
> 
> Many of the old MIDAS AJAX functions are fully synchronous (i.e. "foo=ODBGet("/blah");"), some more recent ones support both sync and async use (i.e. ODBMCopy()).
> 
> All the newly added functions *must* by async-only. For example, all the new JSON-RPC functions are async-only and require the use of callbacks to get at the data.
> 
> Converting existing javascript custom pages from sync AJAX (hah! it's SJAX, not AJAX) will require some work, and one might as well start today.
> 
> Personally, I think this excessive use of callbacks for all javascript web page programming is an unnecessary PITA, but I also do understand the motivation
> of people who write web browsers and javascript engines - removal of support for synchronous RPC makes many things much simpler -
> and even small speedup of javascript execution and better browser efficiency is welcome improvements (but not free improvements - as old web pages need to be converted).
> 
> K.O.
  1128   29 Oct 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfosynchronous ajax deprecated
If using a synchronous AJAX call, such as "foo=ODBGet("/runinfo/state");", google chrome will prints this to the javascript console:

"Synchronous XMLHttpRequest on the main thread is deprecated because of its detrimental effects to the end user's experience. For more help, check http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/."

The referenced URL has this text:

"Synchronous XMLHttpRequest outside of workers is in the process of being removed from the web platform as it has detrimental effects to the end user's experience. (This is a long 
process that takes many years.) Developers must not pass false for the async argument when the JavaScript global environment is a document environment. User agents are strongly 
encouraged to warn about such usage in developer tools and may experiment with throwing an InvalidAccessError exception when it occurs."

Then jQuery say this: http://api.jquery.com/jquery.ajax/

"As of jQuery 1.8, the use of async: false with jqXHR ($.Deferred) is deprecated; you must use the success/error/complete callback options instead of the corresponding methods of the 
jqXHR object such as jqXHR.done() or the deprecated jqXHR.success()."

This sounds rather severe but one must flow with the flow. Synchronous RPC is out, async is in.

Many of the old MIDAS AJAX functions are fully synchronous (i.e. "foo=ODBGet("/blah");"), some more recent ones support both sync and async use (i.e. ODBMCopy()).

All the newly added functions *must* by async-only. For example, all the new JSON-RPC functions are async-only and require the use of callbacks to get at the data.

Converting existing javascript custom pages from sync AJAX (hah! it's SJAX, not AJAX) will require some work, and one might as well start today.

Personally, I think this excessive use of callbacks for all javascript web page programming is an unnecessary PITA, but I also do understand the motivation
of people who write web browsers and javascript engines - removal of support for synchronous RPC makes many things much simpler -
and even small speedup of javascript execution and better browser efficiency is welcome improvements (but not free improvements - as old web pages need to be converted).

K.O.
  1127   29 Oct 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfojavascript docs, midas JSON-RPC interface
> JSON-RPC interface

For interfacing to MIDAS just from browser javascript, the user does not need to know anything about JSON-RPC, all the user-level mjsonrpc_xxx() functions provided by 
mhttpd.js work the same as the old ODBxxx() functions.

As usual, the functions are documented using Doxygen, so here there is no difference between old and new interfaces.

To generate the documentation, run "make dox" (doxygen and graphviz "dot" packages should be installed). (it will take some time to generate everything), then open 
html/index.html and navigate to "files" to "mhttpd.js" and you will see the list of all RPC funcrions (old functions are ODBxxx, new functions are mjsonrpc_xxx).

There was a possibility to implement the mjsonrpc javascript client interface as a javascript class, but older versions of doxygen seem to work incorrectly for such code making it 
impossible to document the code. So it remains implemented as traditional functions with a few globals, but the design an implementation are done with a view to convert the 
code to a javascript class some time in the future.

As ever, the examples/javascript1 experiment provides examples of using all available javascript functions supported by midas. (except for functions that are hard to example or 
hard to document).

K.O.
  1126   29 Oct 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfomidas JSON-RPC interface
> 
> My implementation follows these internet standards:
> 
> // https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4627 - JSON RFC
> // http://www.jsonrpc.org/specification - specification of JSON-RPC 2.0
> // http://www.simple-is-better.org/json-rpc/transport_http.html
> 
> With following variances:
> - JSON encoding for NAN and Inf is Javascript-compatible strings "NaN", "Infinity" and "-Infinity"
> - HTTP GET is not supported (not recommended by standard)
> - batched JSON-RPC requests not supported yet
> 

The last missing piece is now committed - the JSON-RPC interface is now self-documenting via an automatically
generated JSON Schema that lists all RPC methods with their parameters and return values. This documentation
schema is created from simple to use documentation code in each rpc server function, see mjsonrpc.cxx.

To kick the tires, checkout the feature/json_rpc branch, build mhttpd, setup the examples/javascript1 experiment,
run mhttpd in the terminal, from the "status" page, go to the "example" custom page, press "push me" in the mjsonrpc_db_get_values() section,
mhttpd will print the schema file on the terminal. Use any json schema visualization tool to look at it. In the future I hope
to link this schema to the midas "help" page.

The impatient can go directly here: (it is safe to press all buttons) (elog is making a dog's breakfast of my url)
http://ladd00.triumf.ca/~olchansk/test/docson/#../test.json
docson is here:
https://github.com/lbovet/docson

For more informantion about JSON Schema stuff, go here:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zyp-json-schema-04
http://spacetelescope.github.io/understanding-json-schema/
http://json-schema.org/

JSON Schema examples:
http://json-schema.org/examples.html
http://json-schema.org/example1.html

JSON Schema visualization: (schema file has to have a .json extension)
https://github.com/lbovet/docson

(there is also an interesting discussion on why there is no RFC for JSON schema - the draft expired several years ago)

K.O.
  1125   24 Oct 2015 Stefan RittSuggestionFeature Request: MIDAS sequencer abort.
> It would be useful to have it be specified for each script.  Reason is that it's simpler, some scripts might only 
> change a few sensitive settings, then on abort it only has to set back to "normal" what it touched to begin with.  
> Also, the "normal" values are usually stored in local variables, so it's important to have those similarly accessible 
> to the "Abort" portion of the script.

Agree. So I will put a special optional label, which will be accessed upon abort.

Stefan
  1124   22 Oct 2015 Stefan RittSuggestionFeature Request: MIDAS sequencer abort.
> > it would be useful to have a kind of scripted "abort" for when something goes wrong ...
> 
> How about having the sequencer switching from the aborted sequence file to the special "abort" sequence file? That 
> should be simple to implement if it is not already there.
> 
> K.O.

It's about the same effort if we jump to a specific label in a script or to a separate script. I just have to find some time to implement it.

Stefan
  1123   22 Oct 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiSuggestionFeature Request: MIDAS sequencer abort.
> it would be useful to have a kind of scripted "abort" for when something goes wrong ...

How about having the sequencer switching from the aborted sequence file to the special "abort" sequence file? That 
should be simple to implement if it is not already there.

K.O.
  1122   16 Oct 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfomidas JSON-RPC interface
To improve on the existing HTTP "GET" based AJAX interface to MIDAS, I have been looking at other possible RPCs.

The JSON-RPC standard looks to be the most interesting and my experimental implementation now reached the point where other midas users are welcome to try it:

1. Please checkout the git branch "feature/json_rpc", build and run midas as per normal instructions.
2. Look at the MIDAS "Programs" page, you will "see double", the top is the normal midas programs page, the bottom is the new JSON-RPC based page that updates 
every 1 second.
3. Look at example.html page in examples/javascript1, run that experiment push the buttons.
4. Look at mhttpd.js functions mjsonrpc_xxx() to see how the RPC works.
5. Look at jsonrpc_user.cxx in .../src for examples of adding custom rpc functions to midas.

The main improvement is the use of HTTP POST request which allows unlimited data to be sent to midas (permitting proper implementation of ODB "paste" or "mset") 
and use of JSON encoding for all data, including error responses (removing previous ambiguity and poor documentability of some old AJAX functions).

Cross-origin AJAX requests continue to be fully supported (thanks to Bill Mills) - web pages loaded from local file or from some other web server can make AJAX 
requests into mhttpd. (this trivial functionality is normally prohibited by browser security).

My implementation follows these internet standards:

// https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4627 - JSON RFC
// http://www.jsonrpc.org/specification - specification of JSON-RPC 2.0
// http://www.simple-is-better.org/json-rpc/transport_http.html

With following variances:
- JSON encoding for NAN and Inf is Javascript-compatible strings "NaN", "Infinity" and "-Infinity"
- HTTP GET is not supported (not recommended by standard)
- batched JSON-RPC requests not supported yet

K.O.
  1121   15 Oct 2015 Amy RobertsForumlazylogger: a little less lazy?
We're using the lazylogger to trigger a script that copies files, and the lag 
between a completed file appearing and the lazylogger trigger occasionally feels 
uncomfortably long.  It's not too bad - at most, around five or so minutes.  But 
of course it's tough to be patient when you're waiting to look at data.

The settings for our lazylogger specify a 'Stay behind' of zero and a 'Period' of 
zero.

Is there a way to make the lazylogger less lazy?  What determines the time 
between the appearance of a file and the lazylogger trigger?
  1119   28 Sep 2015 Anthony VillanoSuggestionFeature Request: MIDAS sequencer abort.
I am working for the SuperCDMS collaboration on some DAQ issues for our upcoming
SNOLAB installation.  So far, the MIDAS sequencer seems to be a good paradigm
for us to do procedural tasks for our detectors and data running interspersed
with other protocols.  

In our testing we've found that the sequencer works very well for this kind of
activity, although it would be useful to have a kind of scripted "abort" for
when something goes wrong -- especially if the user selects to abort a run
sequence. 

Because the sequencer is setting various detector parameters to a certain value
before performing the tasks, the values will never be restored if the user
aborts the sequence.  Instead, perhaps there can be a portion of a MIDAS
sequence script which is instructed to happen on an abort.  Perhaps something
like all commands after a given tag like:

ON ABORT:

get run on a user-initiated abort?  
  1118   25 Sep 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiBug Reportjset/ODBSet using true/false for booleans
> MIDAS does not seem to be consistent (or at least convenient) with how it
> handles booleans in AJAX functions.

MIDAS documentation does not say that arguments to "jset" (ODBSet) should be JSON-encoded:
https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/AJAX#jset

You found undocumented behavior.

As solution, we plan to replace "jset/ODBSet" with a JSON-RPC function, where all parameters will be JSON-encoded 
(obviously).

K.O.


> 
> When you request an ODB value that is a boolean with AJAX call like
> 
> http://neut14.triumf.ca:8081/?cmd=jcopy&odb=/Equipment/DCRC/Common/Hidden&format=json-nokeys
> 
> then you get
> 
> { "Hidden/last_written" : 1437065425, "Hidden" : false }
> 
> This seems correct, since the JSON convention has booleans encoded as true/false.
> 
> But this convention does not work when trying to set the boolean value. For instance
> 
> http://neut14.triumf.ca:8081/?cmd=jset&odb=/Equipment/DCRC/Common/Hidden&format=json-nokeys&value=true
> 
> does not set the variable to true. To make this work you need to use the
> characters y/n
> 
> http://neut14.triumf.ca:8081/?cmd=jset&odb=/Equipment/DCRC/Common/Hidden&format=json-nokeys&value=y
> 
> I tested this with ajax/jset, but the same problem seems to occur when using the
> javascript function ODBSet. The documentation doesn't say what sort of encoding
> to use when using these functions, so I guess the idea is that these functions
> use MIDAS encoding for booleans. But it seems to me that it would be more
> convenient if jset/ODBSet allowed the option to use json/javascript encoding for
> boolean values; or at least had that as a format option for jset/ODBSet.  That
> way my javascript could look like
> 
> var mybool = true;
> URI_command =
> "?cmd=jset&odb=/Equipment/DCRC/Common/Hidden&format=json-nokeys&value=" + mybool;
> 
> instead of
> 
> var mybool = true;
> URI_command = ""
> if(mybool){
>   URI_command =
> "?cmd=jset&odb=/Equipment/DCRC/Common/Hidden&format=json-nokeys&value=y";
> else
>   URI_command =
> "?cmd=jset&odb=/Equipment/DCRC/Common/Hidden&format=json-nokeys&value=n";
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________________
> Cross-posting from bitbucket issue tracker:
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/issues/29/jset-odbset-using-true-false-for-booleans
  1117   25 Sep 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiForumdb_paste_node error in offline analyzer
> I have a problem with using analyzer offline.
...
> [Analyzer,INFO] Set run number 20 in ODB
> analyzer: src/odb.c:6631: db_paste_node: Assertion `status == 1' failed.

The problem has been traced to unexpected interaction between code in mana.c and 
aggressive error checking in the odb xml decoder (used to load odb.xml dump from the midas 
data file into odb).

We are working on a solution.

K.O.
  1116   23 Sep 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiForumStarting program from custom page
Good news, on the new experimental branch feature/jsonrpc, I have implemented all 3 program management functions - start program, 
stop program and "is running?" as JSON-RPC methods. On that branch, the midas "programs" page is done completely using 
javascript.

You can try this new code right now or you can wait until the branch is merged into main midas - I am still ironing some last minute kinks 
in JSON encoding of ODB. But all the programs management should work (and all previously existing stuff should work). Look in 
mhttpd.js for the mjsonrpc_start_program() & etc.

K.O.



> Just in case anyone needs this in the future I am adding a comment about this issue. After a few months of working
> with this solution we noticed that when using
> 
> request.open('GET', url, false);
> 
> on firefox it could cause the javascript to stop at that point, possibly due to a delayed response from the
> server. A simple solution is to send an asynchronous requests
> 
> request.open('GET', url, true);
> 
> Zaher
> 
> > Thank you very much, this is exactly what I need and it works.
> > 
> > Zaher
> > 
> > > All functions in midas are controlled through special URLs. So the URL
> > > 
> > > http://<host:port>/?cmd=Start&value=10
> > > 
> > > will start run #10. Similarly with ?cmd=Stop. Now all you need is to set up a custom button, and use the 
> > > OnClick="" JavaScript method to fire off an Ajax request with the above URL. 
> > > 
> > > To send an Ajax request, you can use the function XMLHttpRequestGeneric which ships as part of midas in the 
> > > mhttpd.js file. Then the code would be
> > > 
> > > <input type="button" onclick="start()">
> > > 
> > > and in your JavaScript code:
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > function start()
> > > {
> > >    var request = XMLHttpRequestGeneric();
> > > 
> > >    url = '?cmd=Start&value=10';
> > >    request.open('GET', url, false);
> > >    request.send(null);
> > > }
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Stefan
  1115   23 Sep 2015 Peter KravtsovForumdb_paste_node error in offline analyzer
I have a problem with using analyzer offline.
I'm trying to do it this way:

[lkst@pklinux online]$ kill_daq.sh
[lkst@pklinux online]$ odbedit -c "load data/run00020.odb"
[ODBEdit,INFO] Reloading RPC hosts access control list via hotlink callback
[lkst@pklinux online]$ analyzer -i data/run00020.mid -o test20.root
Root server listening on port 9090...
Running analyzer offline. Stop with "!"
[Analyzer,INFO] Set run number 20 in ODB
analyzer: src/odb.c:6631: db_paste_node: Assertion `status == 1' failed.
Load ODB from run 20...Aborted
[lkst@pklinux online]$

I always get this "Assertion `status == 1' failed." error even
if I try it in the examples/experiment enclosed in MIDAS distribution.
After this try I can not run any midas program, even odbedit reports an error,
until I delete the ODB file in /dev/shm/ and load last ODB dump with odbedit.
What do I do wrong and how this can be fixed?
  1114   22 Sep 2015 Zaher SalmanForumStarting program from custom page
Just in case anyone needs this in the future I am adding a comment about this issue. After a few months of working
with this solution we noticed that when using

request.open('GET', url, false);

on firefox it could cause the javascript to stop at that point, possibly due to a delayed response from the
server. A simple solution is to send an asynchronous requests

request.open('GET', url, true);

Zaher

> Thank you very much, this is exactly what I need and it works.
> 
> Zaher
> 
> > All functions in midas are controlled through special URLs. So the URL
> > 
> > http://<host:port>/?cmd=Start&value=10
> > 
> > will start run #10. Similarly with ?cmd=Stop. Now all you need is to set up a custom button, and use the 
> > OnClick="" JavaScript method to fire off an Ajax request with the above URL. 
> > 
> > To send an Ajax request, you can use the function XMLHttpRequestGeneric which ships as part of midas in the 
> > mhttpd.js file. Then the code would be
> > 
> > <input type="button" onclick="start()">
> > 
> > and in your JavaScript code:
> > 
> > ...
> > function start()
> > {
> >    var request = XMLHttpRequestGeneric();
> > 
> >    url = '?cmd=Start&value=10';
> >    request.open('GET', url, false);
> >    request.send(null);
> > }
> > ...
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Stefan
  1113   16 Sep 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfomidas wiki upgraded
The midas wiki at https://midas.triumf.ca has been upgraded to mediawiki version 1.25.2 (current 
production version). If you see any problems, please report them on this forum. K.O.
  1112   16 Sep 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiForummidas forum elog updated
the midas forum elog is updated to latest version from Stefan - ELOG V3.1.1-b4d2a37 built from git sources. K.O.
  1111   11 Sep 2015 Konstantin OlchanskiInfomhttpd/SSL error message on MacOS
> On my macbook (OS X 10.10.3) I get this error message when starting mhttpd with mongoose-SSL:
> 
> [mhttpd,ERROR] [mhttpd.cxx:17092:mongoose,ERROR] mongoose web server error: set_ssl_option: 
> openssl "modern cryptography" ECDH ciphers not available
> 

It means what it says - "modern cryptography" is not available (in google-chrome terms), different browsers report this 
differently, same (apple safari) do not seem to care.

In practice if ECDH ciphers are not available, the https connection uses "obsolete cryptography" and (depending) it 
probably not actually secure (might even be using RC4 ciphers).

The reason you get this error is the obsolete OpenSSL library shipped with MacOS (all version). (same on SL4 and SL5).

Reasonably up-to-date OpenSSL library that has ECDH support can be installed using MacPorts, this step should be 
added to the MIDAS documentation.

>
> mhttpd seems to start fine anyway and safari connects to the secure midas page without complaining 
> about the SSL (it complains about the certificate of course).  So maybe this error message is 
> relatively harmless?
> 

Some browsers do not care about the quality of the connection - google-chrome seems to be the most conservative 
and flags anything that is less than "most state of the art encryption".

Some browsers seem to be happy even if the connection is SSLv2 with RC4 encryption, even though it is not secure at 
all by current thinking.

Is that harmless? (browser says "secure" when it is not?)

> I don't get this error message with Scientific Linux 6.7.

el6 has a reasonably recent OpenSSL library which supports "modern cryptography".

The best guide to this is to run the SSLlabs scanner and read through it's report.


K.O.

P.S. All this said, I hope my rationale to switching away from OpenSSL makes a bit more sense. If we use something 
like PolarSSL, at least we get the same behaviour on all OSes.

K.O.
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