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  10   16 Jul 2019 HassanBug ReportCannot find dictionary modules
Hello,

We've been attempting to make and run the executables in the
/packages/rootana/examples directory and have come across the same/similar
errors for each of them regarding missing dictionary modules:

[lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./ana.exe 
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
Using THttpServer in read/write mode
================================================================================
[lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./anaDisplay.exe 
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
TDT724Waveform done init...... 
Create Histos
Create Histos
Adding new canvas in tab named 'V1720 Waveforms'
Adding new canvas in tab named 'V1720 Correlations'
Adding new canvas in tab named 'DT724 Waveforms'
Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Histograms'
Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Fine Histograms'
Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Diff Histograms'
===============================================================================
[lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./midas2root.exe 
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
Create main window!
==============================================================================
[lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./root_server.exe 
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
Using THttpServer in read/write mode

Please can you help us locate these modules?

Thanks!
  11   16 Jul 2019 Konstantin OlchanskiBug ReportCannot find dictionary modules
> [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./ana.exe 
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm

It is a problem inside ROOT. The pcm files replaced the dict.h files during the switch from CINT in 
ROOTv5 to LLVM in ROOTv6. But they have a mistake and use the wrong path for finding these files. 
I.e. search for "cannot find dictionary module" on the ROOT forum https://root-forum.cern.ch

K.O.
  12   16 Jul 2019 Thomas LindnerBug ReportCannot find dictionary modules
Hi,

I just wanted to be certain about how serious this problem is.  These error message always happens for me when I 
run on macos machine as well.  But the errors don't seem to have any real effect; my programs still run fine.

Is that the case for you too?  You get the error messages, but everything still works?

If so, then I agree that it would be nice to fix, but it is less critical; I will try to get to it.

Cheers,
Thomas

> Hello,
> 
> We've been attempting to make and run the executables in the
> /packages/rootana/examples directory and have come across the same/similar
> errors for each of them regarding missing dictionary modules:
> 
> [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./ana.exe 
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> ================================================================================
> [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./anaDisplay.exe 
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> TDT724Waveform done init...... 
> Create Histos
> Create Histos
> Adding new canvas in tab named 'V1720 Waveforms'
> Adding new canvas in tab named 'V1720 Correlations'
> Adding new canvas in tab named 'DT724 Waveforms'
> Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Histograms'
> Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Fine Histograms'
> Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Diff Histograms'
> ===============================================================================
> [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./midas2root.exe 
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> Create main window!
> ==============================================================================
> [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./root_server.exe 
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> 
> Please can you help us locate these modules?
> 
> Thanks!
  13   18 Jul 2019 HassanBug ReportCannot find dictionary modules
Hi,
We are getting these warning of dictionary modules missing and nothing happens. I would have expected some graphical
interface to load up. I have tried copying these .pcm files from the packages/rootana/obj folder to
packages/rootana/examples, now the missing dictionary module complaint goes away but no graphical interface loads up.
Could you please assist with this?

Kind regards,
Hassan

> Hi,
> 
> I just wanted to be certain about how serious this problem is.  These error message always happens for me when I 
> run on macos machine as well.  But the errors don't seem to have any real effect; my programs still run fine.
> 
> Is that the case for you too?  You get the error messages, but everything still works?
> 
> If so, then I agree that it would be nice to fix, but it is less critical; I will try to get to it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > We've been attempting to make and run the executables in the
> > /packages/rootana/examples directory and have come across the same/similar
> > errors for each of them regarding missing dictionary modules:
> > 
> > [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./ana.exe 
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> > Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> > ================================================================================
> > [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./anaDisplay.exe 
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> > TDT724Waveform done init...... 
> > Create Histos
> > Create Histos
> > Adding new canvas in tab named 'V1720 Waveforms'
> > Adding new canvas in tab named 'V1720 Correlations'
> > Adding new canvas in tab named 'DT724 Waveforms'
> > Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Histograms'
> > Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Fine Histograms'
> > Adding new canvas in tab named 'TRB3 Diff Histograms'
> > ===============================================================================
> > [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./midas2root.exe 
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> > Create main window!
> > ==============================================================================
> > [lm17773@it038146 examples]$ ./root_server.exe 
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> > Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module
> > TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
> > Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> > 
> > Please can you help us locate these modules?
> > 
> > Thanks!
  14   24 Jul 2019 Paolo BaessoBug ReportROOTANA installation fails (ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL); not declared)

Good afternoon, I am following the instructions provided here to install ROOTANA (and MIDAS, more in general). When I try to make I get the following error

libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx: In member function ‘bool TMidasOnline::sleep(int)’: libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx:194:3: error: ‘ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc’ was not declared in this scope
ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx:194:3: note: suggested alternative: ‘ss_suspend_set_rpc_thread’
ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ss_suspend_set_rpc_thread
Makefile:339: recipe for target 'obj/TMidasOnline.o' failed make: *** [obj/TMidasOnline.o] Error 1

 

And the compilation stops. Is this a known issue?
My system is Ubuntu 18 and I am running ROOT 6.18.00

  15   08 Aug 2019 Lauren MantonBug ReportROOTANA installation fails (ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL); not declared)

Hi,

Thank you, commenting out the line worked and we can now compile the code. However, when we try to run ana.exe or anaDisplay.exe, we get the following errors:

Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm

 

We see that the files are in /rootana/obj but we cannot find a way to point the compiler to them.

Could you please advise how to proceed,

Many thanks

Paolo Baesso wrote:

Good afternoon, I am following the instructions provided here to install ROOTANA (and MIDAS, more in general). When I try to make I get the following error

libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx: In member function ‘bool TMidasOnline::sleep(int)’: libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx:194:3: error: ‘ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc’ was not declared in this scope
ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx:194:3: note: suggested alternative: ‘ss_suspend_set_rpc_thread’
ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ss_suspend_set_rpc_thread
Makefile:339: recipe for target 'obj/TMidasOnline.o' failed make: *** [obj/TMidasOnline.o] Error 1

 

And the compilation stops. Is this a known issue?
My system is Ubuntu 18 and I am running ROOT 6.18.00

 

  16   08 Aug 2019 Thomas LindnerBug ReportROOTANA installation fails (ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL); not declared)

Hi Lauren,

Do you see an actual problem that results from those error messages?  As I mentioned before [1] I get that error message, but it doesn't seem to actually cause a problem.  

Thomas

[1] https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Rootana/12

Lauren Manton wrote:

Hi,

Thank you, commenting out the line worked and we can now compile the code. However, when we try to run ana.exe or anaDisplay.exe, we get the following errors:

Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module TRootanaDisplayDict_rdict.pcm
Error in <TCling::RegisterModule>: cannot find dictionary module TFancyHistogramCanvasDict_rdict.pcm

 

We see that the files are in /rootana/obj but we cannot find a way to point the compiler to them.

Could you please advise how to proceed,

Many thanks

Paolo Baesso wrote:

Good afternoon, I am following the instructions provided here to install ROOTANA (and MIDAS, more in general). When I try to make I get the following error

libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx: In member function ‘bool TMidasOnline::sleep(int)’: libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx:194:3: error: ‘ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc’ was not declared in this scope
ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
libMidasInterface/TMidasOnline.cxx:194:3: note: suggested alternative: ‘ss_suspend_set_rpc_thread’
ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL);
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ss_suspend_set_rpc_thread
Makefile:339: recipe for target 'obj/TMidasOnline.o' failed make: *** [obj/TMidasOnline.o] Error 1

 

And the compilation stops. Is this a known issue?
My system is Ubuntu 18 and I am running ROOT 6.18.00

 

 

  17   14 Aug 2019 Konstantin OlchanskiBug ReportROOTANA installation fails (ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc(NULL); not declared)
(please send elog messages in "plain text" mode, otherwise I cannot quote your text)

The problem with missing ss_suspend_set_dispatch_ipc() is now fixed, rootana commit 
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/commits/52fdedb5745fa9b6739a16a6faab8b9d40108045

If you run rootana online in graphical mode (or call TMidasOnline::sleep() yourself), you may re-encounter
the problem of recursive calls to the event handler, depending on which version of MIDAS you use. The
probability of this problem happening is probably reduced to zero in all 2019 MIDAS releases and it is
definitely fixed in the most recent commits to MIDAS (this will be the midas-2019-09 release, most likely).

Read more here:
https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/1663

K.O.
  18   14 Aug 2019 Konstantin OlchanskiBug Reportcannot find dictionary module TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm
> cannot find dictionary module TMainDisplayWindowDict_rdict.pcm

this problem is not unique to ROOTANA and ROODY, take a search for this problem (and solutions) on the ROOT forum...

K.O.
  Draft   22 Oct 2019 Lukas GerritzenBug Report 
  23   12 Jul 2020 Thomas LindnerBug ReportCompiling rootana on Macos 10.15.4
I had some trouble building rootana on my new laptop, running MacOS 10.15.4 (Xcode 11.5).

Most of rootana compiled fine, but the steps with rootcint fail.  For instance:

rootcint -f obj/TMainDisplayWindowDict.cxx -DHAVE_ROOT   -DOS_LINUX -DOS_DARWIN -I./include 
include/TMainDisplayWindow.hxx include/TMainDisplayWindow_LinkDef.h
In file included from input_line_12:12:
In file included from ./include/TMainDisplayWindow.hxx:4:
In file included from /Applications/root_v6.18.99/include/TGClient.h:27:
In file included from /Applications/root_v6.18.99/include/TString.h:26:
In file included from /Applications/root_v6.18.99/include/TMathBase.h:32:
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/bin/../include/c++/v1/cmath:317:9: error: no member named 
'signbit' in the global namespace
using ::signbit;
      ~~^
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/bin/../include/c++/v1/cmath:318:9: error: no member named 
'fpclassify' in the global namespace
using ::fpclassify;
      ~~^
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/bin/../include/c++/v1/cmath:319:9: error: no member named 
'isfinite' in the global namespace
using ::isfinite;
      ~~^
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/bin/../include/c++/v1/cmath:320:9: error: no member named 'isinf' 
in the global namespace
using ::isinf;
      ~~^
/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/bin/../include/c++/v1/cmath:321:9: error: no member named 'isnan' 
in the global namespace

This is probably a problem with my Xcode installation.  But I found a work-around, which was explicitly 
defining CPATH before the rootcint command in the Makefile:
obj/TMainDisplayWindowDict.cxx obj/TRootanaDisplayDict.cxx obj/TFancyHistogramCanvasDict.cxx: 
obj/%Dict.cxx:
    CPATH=/usr/local/include rootcint -f $@ $(CXXFLAGS_ROOTCINT) -I./include include/$*.hxx 
include/$*_LinkDef.h

obj/TNetDirectoryDict.cxx: obj/%Dict.cxx:
    CPATH=/usr/local/include rootcint -f $@ $(CXXFLAGS_ROOTCINT) -I./include include/$*.h 
include/$*_LinkDef.h

As I say, this is probably a problem with my installation; but I include the work-around in case it is helpful.

In the medium term we will try to remove the dependence on the old, ugly rootcint, since it often has 
problems.
  25   07 Dec 2020 Isaac Labrie BoulayForumThe FIXED format.
Hi folks,

I am thinking of using the FIXED format event to avoid the overhead of the bank 
structure. The Wiki says under "FIXED Format Event" that the standard MIDAS 
analyzer cannot work with this format. What exactly is meant by this? Is it saying 
that the specific ROOTANA analyzer template will not work with the event format? 

Thanks for helping me out!

Isaac
  26   10 Dec 2020 Isaac Labrie BoulayForumROOTANA MidasWiki
Hi folks,

I'm currently looking at the ROOTANA wiki. I will be building an online MIDAS 
analyzer and I'm wondering if the wiki still contains useful information if I want 
to use the more recent 'manalyzer' template.

Thanks!

Isaac
  28   16 Dec 2020 Konstantin OlchanskiForumThe FIXED format.
> I am thinking of using the FIXED format event to avoid the overhead of the bank 
> structure. The Wiki says under "FIXED Format Event" that the standard MIDAS 
> analyzer cannot work with this format. What exactly is meant by this? Is it saying 
> that the specific ROOTANA analyzer template will not work with the event format? 

I am not sure if current code can deal with anything other than MIDAS data that uses 
the bank format. (even bk_init32a() support is incomplete in ROOTANA!).

I am curious why you have a problem with the bank format.

For bank overhead, there are several solutions:

a) if you have 1000 banks, 1 data word in each bank, you can create 1 MIDAS bank, store 
your data inside using your own optimized data format. (MIDAS overhead reduces from 
4000 words to 4 words, overhead from your custom data format goes from 0 to ???, so you 
may not gain much).

b) if you have 1000 data events, 1 data word in each event. Overhead is crazy: many 
words of event header, many words of bank header, etc. I would solve this storing
all your events inside one single midas event (say, 1000 data events per 1 midas 
event). Each data event can be stored in a midas bank (it is okey to have 1000 banks 
named "AAAA"), or you use solution (a). The m-analyzer is especially suitable for 
working with such "super events". In the unpacking module, AnalyzeEvent() would unpack 
each data event into a FlowEvent, in all the other modules, your FlowEvent-encapsulated 
data events will show up in the AnalyzeFlowEvent() method.

Next time I work on the midasio library and the TMEvent class I should check that it 
works with and that is usable with non-midas-bank data.

K.O.
  29   16 Dec 2020 Konstantin OlchanskiForumROOTANA MidasWiki
> I'm currently looking at the ROOTANA wiki. I will be building an online MIDAS 
> analyzer and I'm wondering if the wiki still contains useful information if I want 
> to use the more recent 'manalyzer' template.

All the documentation for manalyzer is in it's README.md file. I am not sure if the ROOTANA wiki makes 
correct reference to this.

The big idea is to make manalyzer part of midas, as replacement to the old mana.c analyzer.

For now, I plan to make manalyzer into a git submodule in midas and rootana (same as mjson, mvodb and 
midasio).

K.O.
  30   16 Dec 2020 Isaac Labrie BoulayForumThe FIXED format.
> > I am thinking of using the FIXED format event to avoid the overhead of the bank 
> > structure. The Wiki says under "FIXED Format Event" that the standard MIDAS 
> > analyzer cannot work with this format. What exactly is meant by this? Is it saying 
> > that the specific ROOTANA analyzer template will not work with the event format? 
> 
> I am not sure if current code can deal with anything other than MIDAS data that uses 
> the bank format. (even bk_init32a() support is incomplete in ROOTANA!).
> 
> I am curious why you have a problem with the bank format.
> 
> For bank overhead, there are several solutions:
> 
> a) if you have 1000 banks, 1 data word in each bank, you can create 1 MIDAS bank, store 
> your data inside using your own optimized data format. (MIDAS overhead reduces from 
> 4000 words to 4 words, overhead from your custom data format goes from 0 to ???, so you 
> may not gain much).
> 
> b) if you have 1000 data events, 1 data word in each event. Overhead is crazy: many 
> words of event header, many words of bank header, etc. I would solve this storing
> all your events inside one single midas event (say, 1000 data events per 1 midas 
> event). Each data event can be stored in a midas bank (it is okey to have 1000 banks 
> named "AAAA"), or you use solution (a). The m-analyzer is especially suitable for 
> working with such "super events". In the unpacking module, AnalyzeEvent() would unpack 
> each data event into a FlowEvent, in all the other modules, your FlowEvent-encapsulated 
> data events will show up in the AnalyzeFlowEvent() method.
> 
> Next time I work on the midasio library and the TMEvent class I should check that it 
> works with and that is usable with non-midas-bank data.
> 
> K.O.

Hey,

Yeah I had not yet really dove into the Event Structure documentation at the time that I 
wrote this email. The BANK format and I get along now. No problem there anymore.

Thanks for getting back to me sir.

Isaac
  31   18 Jan 2021 Isaac Labrie BoulayForumWarning: the time for this bank is more than 10 sec older than current time.
Hi all,

I get this warning when I run anaDisplay.exe (analyzer display mode) of the old 
Rootana analyzer. It seems to be because the analyzer cannot keep up with the data 
gathered by my frontend. The same issue seems to happen when I run the newer 
"manalyzer_example_root_graphic.exe" in graphical mode (-g). Is my computer cpu 
just not powerful enough to run both the data acquisition and the graphical 
analyzer simultaneously? Both the frontend and analyzer run on the same PC.

As always, thanks for the help!

Isaac the intern
  32   21 Jan 2021 Thomas LindnerForumWarning: the time for this bank is more than 10 sec older than current time.
> Hi all,
> 
> I get this warning when I run anaDisplay.exe (analyzer display mode) of the old 
> Rootana analyzer. It seems to be because the analyzer cannot keep up with the data 
> gathered by my frontend. The same issue seems to happen when I run the newer 
> "manalyzer_example_root_graphic.exe" in graphical mode (-g). Is my computer cpu 
> just not powerful enough to run both the data acquisition and the graphical 
> analyzer simultaneously? Both the frontend and analyzer run on the same PC.
> 
> As always, thanks for the help!
> 
> Isaac the intern

Hi Isaac,

It is certainly possible that your analyzer cannot keep up with the data taking.  It will depend (at least partly) on what you are trying to do in your analyzer.  Suppose you are taking 1000Hz of events from some waveform digitizer.  If you are trying to do something simple (like count how many bytes are in each data packet) then your analyzer will probably be able to keep up with the data taking.  But if you are trying to do some very complicated maximum likelihood fit to each waveform, then it is possible that your computer (or any computer) would not be able to keep up with the data taking.  In that case maybe your analyzer is only able to process 100Hz of data or 10% of the events (for example).

But it is not always a problem if your analyzer can't keep up.  The goal of the online analyzer is to allow you to check data in real time.  If you wanted to calculate the pulse height distribution of hits in your waveforms, then it is probably fine that you are only able to process 10% of the events online.  It might take you a little longer to accumulate your statistics for your online plots, but your online analyzer data is still useful.

On the other hand, there is other types of online analysis where it is important to process every event.  For instance, suppose you are trying to calculate online the rate of a certain type of event that involves making cuts in your online analysig. In that case you will want to be analyzing every event; missing 10% or 90% of events will bias your online analysis.

So that message is a warning; if you are doing an online analysis where it is critical that you process every event, then you have a problem if you see that message.  In that case you need to figure out how to speed up your online analysis.  You will need to use a profiler or some other tool to optimize your code.

It should be noted that the display itself can often be a limiting part of the online analyzer.  You might be able to process 1000Hz of waveform data, but you certainly can't update your plots at 1000Hz; so you need to take care with the updating and display of your plots if you really care about speed.
  33   21 Jan 2021 Isaac Labrie BoulayForumWarning: the time for this bank is more than 10 sec older than current time.
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I get this warning when I run anaDisplay.exe (analyzer display mode) of the old 
> > Rootana analyzer. It seems to be because the analyzer cannot keep up with the data 
> > gathered by my frontend. The same issue seems to happen when I run the newer 
> > "manalyzer_example_root_graphic.exe" in graphical mode (-g). Is my computer cpu 
> > just not powerful enough to run both the data acquisition and the graphical 
> > analyzer simultaneously? Both the frontend and analyzer run on the same PC.
> > 
> > As always, thanks for the help!
> > 
> > Isaac the intern
> 
> Hi Isaac,
> 
> It is certainly possible that your analyzer cannot keep up with the data taking.  It will depend (at least partly) on what you are trying to do in your analyzer.  Suppose you are taking 1000Hz of events from some waveform digitizer.  If you are trying to do something simple (like count how many bytes are in each data packet) then your analyzer will probably be able to keep up with the data taking.  But if you are trying to do some very complicated maximum likelihood fit to each waveform, then it is possible that your computer (or any computer) would not be able to keep up with the data taking.  In that case maybe your analyzer is only able to process 100Hz of data or 10% of the events (for example).
> 
> But it is not always a problem if your analyzer can't keep up.  The goal of the online analyzer is to allow you to check data in real time.  If you wanted to calculate the pulse height distribution of hits in your waveforms, then it is probably fine that you are only able to process 10% of the events online.  It might take you a little longer to accumulate your statistics for your online plots, but your online analyzer data is still useful.
> 
> On the other hand, there is other types of online analysis where it is important to process every event.  For instance, suppose you are trying to calculate online the rate of a certain type of event that involves making cuts in your online analysig. In that case you will want to be analyzing every event; missing 10% or 90% of events will bias your online analysis.
> 
> So that message is a warning; if you are doing an online analysis where it is critical that you process every event, then you have a problem if you see that message.  In that case you need to figure out how to speed up your online analysis.  You will need to use a profiler or some other tool to optimize your code.
> 
> It should be noted that the display itself can often be a limiting part of the online analyzer.  You might be able to process 1000Hz of waveform data, but you certainly can't update your plots at 1000Hz; so you need to take care with the updating and display of your plots if you really care about speed.

Hi Thomas,

Thank you for the thorough answer. I can now see how this feature is important. Also, I was getting turtle speeds for my analysis rate. 
I found out that it was because I was 'drawing/updating' my histograms for every event. I'm new to ROOT and I didn't realize how badly these 
functions slow down your system.

Cheers.

Isaac
  34   05 Feb 2021 Frederik WautersForumana or manalyzer?
reworking our old (MuCap inherited) mana.cpp

To have a good start, what is advised:

a) following the Rootana Analyzer Framework as advertised in https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_Analyzer_Framework with the TRootanaEventLoop

b) The manalyzer advertised in https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/src/master/manalyzer/

Option b) with it's module support?
  35   05 Feb 2021 Konstantin OlchanskiForumana or manalyzer?
> reworking our old (MuCap inherited) mana.cpp
> To have a good start, what is advised:
> a) following the Rootana Analyzer Framework as advertised in https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_Analyzer_Framework with the TRootanaEventLoop
> b) The manalyzer advertised in https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/src/master/manalyzer/
> Option b) with it's module support?

It depends on your experiment and your data. If your data is just a few numbers,
either analyzer would do (even the old midas mana.c analyzer would do).

But if you have complicated data, especially streaming data, where midas events
and physics events do not have a 1-to-1 connection, the old analyzers will
not cut the mustard. I have done this kind of processing in the old analyzers,
came up with a generalized structure, the "m" analyzer is the result.

Historical note: I developed rootana maybe 15 years ago to process data
from the ALPHA experiment at CERN (anti-hydrogen trap), more recently, I developed
manalyzer to process more complicated data from the ALPHA-g experiment at CERN (vertical
anti-hydrogen trap, to study gravity effects). Joseph McKenna from CERN contributed
the automatic by-module multithreading and benchmarking.

To compare:

- both rootana and manalyzer use the same TMidasOnline class for connecting to live MIDAS data
- both use the same midasio classes to read and write MIDAS files
- rootana uses the older TMidasEvent class to access MIDAS banks
- manalyzer uses the newer TMEvent class. the main improvement is that TMEvent is
a well-behaved C++ class with a usable assignment and copy-constructor operators.
- graphics and web interface uses the same ROOT graphics, ROOT web server (a derivative
of mongoose web server library) and the same JS-ROOT.
- the manalyzer has better defined control flow and C++ object lifetime rules
wrt run start and run end (this corrects problems with life time of C++ objects
in the old rootana).
- manalyzer has automatic per-module multithreading "for free" (thanks, Joseph!),
I typically see the alphag analyzer use 8-10 CPU threads without having to use
any threading or mutex gunk in the analysis code.

The current plan is to include manalyzer into MIDAS as a git submodule, with luck
it will happen for the next midas release, the hold up is with the midasio class that needs
to be updated, git-submoduled and added to midas. Also the old TMidasOnline class needs
updating.

To conclude, we use manalyzer for ALPHA-2 and ALPHA-g, people who use it seem to be
generally happy (especially with the automatic per-module multithreading), we use
it for a couple of simpler experiments at TRIUMF.

I hope this answers your questions?

K.O.
  36   05 Feb 2021 Frederik WautersForumana or manalyzer?
yes, thanks! 

" manalyzer has automatic per-module multithreading "for free"  "

does that mean that if one needs modules to run sequentially (think first clustering, then making higher level physics objects), the user needs to enforce that?

> > reworking our old (MuCap inherited) mana.cpp
> > To have a good start, what is advised:
> > a) following the Rootana Analyzer Framework as advertised in https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_Analyzer_Framework with the TRootanaEventLoop
> > b) The manalyzer advertised in https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/src/master/manalyzer/
> > Option b) with it's module support?
> 
> It depends on your experiment and your data. If your data is just a few numbers,
> either analyzer would do (even the old midas mana.c analyzer would do).
> 
> But if you have complicated data, especially streaming data, where midas events
> and physics events do not have a 1-to-1 connection, the old analyzers will
> not cut the mustard. I have done this kind of processing in the old analyzers,
> came up with a generalized structure, the "m" analyzer is the result.
> 
> Historical note: I developed rootana maybe 15 years ago to process data
> from the ALPHA experiment at CERN (anti-hydrogen trap), more recently, I developed
> manalyzer to process more complicated data from the ALPHA-g experiment at CERN (vertical
> anti-hydrogen trap, to study gravity effects). Joseph McKenna from CERN contributed
> the automatic by-module multithreading and benchmarking.
> 
> To compare:
> 
> - both rootana and manalyzer use the same TMidasOnline class for connecting to live MIDAS data
> - both use the same midasio classes to read and write MIDAS files
> - rootana uses the older TMidasEvent class to access MIDAS banks
> - manalyzer uses the newer TMEvent class. the main improvement is that TMEvent is
> a well-behaved C++ class with a usable assignment and copy-constructor operators.
> - graphics and web interface uses the same ROOT graphics, ROOT web server (a derivative
> of mongoose web server library) and the same JS-ROOT.
> - the manalyzer has better defined control flow and C++ object lifetime rules
> wrt run start and run end (this corrects problems with life time of C++ objects
> in the old rootana).
> - manalyzer has automatic per-module multithreading "for free" (thanks, Joseph!),
> I typically see the alphag analyzer use 8-10 CPU threads without having to use
> any threading or mutex gunk in the analysis code.
> 
> The current plan is to include manalyzer into MIDAS as a git submodule, with luck
> it will happen for the next midas release, the hold up is with the midasio class that needs
> to be updated, git-submoduled and added to midas. Also the old TMidasOnline class needs
> updating.
> 
> To conclude, we use manalyzer for ALPHA-2 and ALPHA-g, people who use it seem to be
> generally happy (especially with the automatic per-module multithreading), we use
> it for a couple of simpler experiments at TRIUMF.
> 
> I hope this answers your questions?
> 
> K.O.
  37   06 Feb 2021 Frederik WautersForumana or manalyzer?
ok, nevermind, it's in the help

" -mt: Enable multithreaded mode. Extra multithread config settings: "
  38   22 Mar 2021 Isaac Labrie BoulayForumManalyzer - Preventing BeginRun() from getting called when I stop the run.
Hi all,

I am running an analyzer using an manalyzer templates and the analysis seems to 
lag behind the events getting stored in the buffer by my frontend. This is because 
the live histogram (-g) is very slow to update and draw. The slight delay causes a 
run object to be created after I 'stop' the acquisition. I'm guessing that this is 
because there are still MIDAS events in the ring buffer. This causes the 
BeginRun() methods of all my modules to get called again.

What is the best way to prevent this? From what I understand, PreEndRun() methods 
should only be used to clear buffered flow events. Is there maybe a way to speed 
up the histogram drawing so that I don't get this lag in the analysis?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for your time.

Isaac
  40   12 Apr 2021 Gennaro TortoneForumrootana and TAnaManager
Hi,

I'm facing with a strange problem with rootana:
I fetched and built rootana (master branch) as usual (make / make install);

If I build 'examples' and launch:

./root_server.exe -v

I got a lot of this messages:

Info in <TCling::LoadPCM>: In-memory ROOT PCM candidate /opt/root/lib/.....

and at the end:


 *** Break *** segmentation violation
 Generating stack trace...
 0x00007f9a876a7df1 in ROOT::AddClassAlternate(char const*, char const*) + 0x31 
from /opt/root/lib/root/libCore.so
 0x0000557debfea956 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
 0x0000557debfead72 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
 0x0000557debfead9b in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
 0x0000557dec034605 in __libc_csu_init + 0x45 from ./root_server.exe
 0x00007f9a856e802a in __libc_start_main + 0x7a from /lib/x86_64-linux-
gnu/libc.so.6
 0x0000557debf759fa in _start + 0x2a from ./root_server.exe


I'm using ROOT 6.22/06 compiled from source files on Debian 10 on a virtual
machine...

The problem seems to be less critical if I connect with SSH with -XC option
or if I set DISPLAY variable. In these case I got only TCling messages with
this warning:

Error in <TGClient::TGClient>: can't open display "0:0", switching to batch 
mode...
 In case you run from a remote ssh session, reconnect with ssh -Y

If I build manalyzer everything goes fine and it seems that problem is
related to TAnaManager in some ways...

Regards,
Gennaro
  41   15 Apr 2021 Thomas LindnerForumrootana and TAnaManager
Hi,

Hmm, unfortunately I cannot produce your seg fault.  I run the command 

./root_server.exe 

and it runs without a seg-fault.  I can run it with the following combinations:

1) Centos-7.7 with ROOT 6.18
2) Ubuntu 20.04.2 with ROOT 6.22/02

Note that I don't think 'root_server.exe -v' is a valid option.

I will try to make a ROOT 6.22/06 version sometime, but it seems surprising that that is the problem.  This ROOT 
application stuff is annoying and I will try to remove it soon.

I do get the same annoying Cling errors as you.  They are annoying, but seem to be benign.

Cheers,
Thomas



> Hi,
> 
> I'm facing with a strange problem with rootana:
> I fetched and built rootana (master branch) as usual (make / make install);
> 
> If I build 'examples' and launch:
> 
> ./root_server.exe -v
> 
> I got a lot of this messages:
> 
> Info in <TCling::LoadPCM>: In-memory ROOT PCM candidate /opt/root/lib/.....
> 
> and at the end:
> 
> 
>  *** Break *** segmentation violation
>  Generating stack trace...
>  0x00007f9a876a7df1 in ROOT::AddClassAlternate(char const*, char const*) + 0x31 
> from /opt/root/lib/root/libCore.so
>  0x0000557debfea956 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
>  0x0000557debfead72 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
>  0x0000557debfead9b in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
>  0x0000557dec034605 in __libc_csu_init + 0x45 from ./root_server.exe
>  0x00007f9a856e802a in __libc_start_main + 0x7a from /lib/x86_64-linux-
> gnu/libc.so.6
>  0x0000557debf759fa in _start + 0x2a from ./root_server.exe
> 
> 
> I'm using ROOT 6.22/06 compiled from source files on Debian 10 on a virtual
> machine...
> 
> The problem seems to be less critical if I connect with SSH with -XC option
> or if I set DISPLAY variable. In these case I got only TCling messages with
> this warning:
> 
> Error in <TGClient::TGClient>: can't open display "0:0", switching to batch 
> mode...
>  In case you run from a remote ssh session, reconnect with ssh -Y
> 
> If I build manalyzer everything goes fine and it seems that problem is
> related to TAnaManager in some ways...
> 
> Regards,
> Gennaro
  42   15 Apr 2021 Gennaro TortoneForumrootana and TAnaManager
Hi,

thanks for your support,

I realized that this issue is related to GCC/G++ version...
it seems that GCC 8.3 has this "segmentation violation" problem;

I have replaced default Debian GCC (8.3) with testing GCC 10 and
everything works !

Now I'm using a Xubuntu 20.04 LTS (GCC 9) and also here the problem
is not present...

Regards,
Gennaro

> Hi,
> 
> Hmm, unfortunately I cannot produce your seg fault.  I run the command 
> 
> ./root_server.exe 
> 
> and it runs without a seg-fault.  I can run it with the following combinations:
> 
> 1) Centos-7.7 with ROOT 6.18
> 2) Ubuntu 20.04.2 with ROOT 6.22/02
> 
> Note that I don't think 'root_server.exe -v' is a valid option.
> 
> I will try to make a ROOT 6.22/06 version sometime, but it seems surprising that that is the problem.  This ROOT 
> application stuff is annoying and I will try to remove it soon.
> 
> I do get the same annoying Cling errors as you.  They are annoying, but seem to be benign.
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm facing with a strange problem with rootana:
> > I fetched and built rootana (master branch) as usual (make / make install);
> > 
> > If I build 'examples' and launch:
> > 
> > ./root_server.exe -v
> > 
> > I got a lot of this messages:
> > 
> > Info in <TCling::LoadPCM>: In-memory ROOT PCM candidate /opt/root/lib/.....
> > 
> > and at the end:
> > 
> > 
> >  *** Break *** segmentation violation
> >  Generating stack trace...
> >  0x00007f9a876a7df1 in ROOT::AddClassAlternate(char const*, char const*) + 0x31 
> > from /opt/root/lib/root/libCore.so
> >  0x0000557debfea956 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
> >  0x0000557debfead72 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
> >  0x0000557debfead9b in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
> >  0x0000557dec034605 in __libc_csu_init + 0x45 from ./root_server.exe
> >  0x00007f9a856e802a in __libc_start_main + 0x7a from /lib/x86_64-linux-
> > gnu/libc.so.6
> >  0x0000557debf759fa in _start + 0x2a from ./root_server.exe
> > 
> > 
> > I'm using ROOT 6.22/06 compiled from source files on Debian 10 on a virtual
> > machine...
> > 
> > The problem seems to be less critical if I connect with SSH with -XC option
> > or if I set DISPLAY variable. In these case I got only TCling messages with
> > this warning:
> > 
> > Error in <TGClient::TGClient>: can't open display "0:0", switching to batch 
> > mode...
> >  In case you run from a remote ssh session, reconnect with ssh -Y
> > 
> > If I build manalyzer everything goes fine and it seems that problem is
> > related to TAnaManager in some ways...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Gennaro
  43   20 Apr 2021 Thomas LindnerForumrootana and TAnaManager
Hi Gennaro,

Thanks for the update.  Good that you got it working, but not so good that it doesn't work on some compilers.

I will still try to remove the TApplication stuff which isn't needed for this particular program.

Cheers,
Thomas

 
> Hi,
> 
> thanks for your support,
> 
> I realized that this issue is related to GCC/G++ version...
> it seems that GCC 8.3 has this "segmentation violation" problem;
> 
> I have replaced default Debian GCC (8.3) with testing GCC 10 and
> everything works !
> 
> Now I'm using a Xubuntu 20.04 LTS (GCC 9) and also here the problem
> is not present...
> 
> Regards,
> Gennaro
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Hmm, unfortunately I cannot produce your seg fault.  I run the command 
> > 
> > ./root_server.exe 
> > 
> > and it runs without a seg-fault.  I can run it with the following combinations:
> > 
> > 1) Centos-7.7 with ROOT 6.18
> > 2) Ubuntu 20.04.2 with ROOT 6.22/02
> > 
> > Note that I don't think 'root_server.exe -v' is a valid option.
> > 
> > I will try to make a ROOT 6.22/06 version sometime, but it seems surprising that that is the problem.  This ROOT 
> > application stuff is annoying and I will try to remove it soon.
> > 
> > I do get the same annoying Cling errors as you.  They are annoying, but seem to be benign.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Thomas
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm facing with a strange problem with rootana:
> > > I fetched and built rootana (master branch) as usual (make / make install);
> > > 
> > > If I build 'examples' and launch:
> > > 
> > > ./root_server.exe -v
> > > 
> > > I got a lot of this messages:
> > > 
> > > Info in <TCling::LoadPCM>: In-memory ROOT PCM candidate /opt/root/lib/.....
> > > 
> > > and at the end:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  *** Break *** segmentation violation
> > >  Generating stack trace...
> > >  0x00007f9a876a7df1 in ROOT::AddClassAlternate(char const*, char const*) + 0x31 
> > > from /opt/root/lib/root/libCore.so
> > >  0x0000557debfea956 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
> > >  0x0000557debfead72 in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
> > >  0x0000557debfead9b in <unknown> from ./root_server.exe
> > >  0x0000557dec034605 in __libc_csu_init + 0x45 from ./root_server.exe
> > >  0x00007f9a856e802a in __libc_start_main + 0x7a from /lib/x86_64-linux-
> > > gnu/libc.so.6
> > >  0x0000557debf759fa in _start + 0x2a from ./root_server.exe
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm using ROOT 6.22/06 compiled from source files on Debian 10 on a virtual
> > > machine...
> > > 
> > > The problem seems to be less critical if I connect with SSH with -XC option
> > > or if I set DISPLAY variable. In these case I got only TCling messages with
> > > this warning:
> > > 
> > > Error in <TGClient::TGClient>: can't open display "0:0", switching to batch 
> > > mode...
> > >  In case you run from a remote ssh session, reconnect with ssh -Y
> > > 
> > > If I build manalyzer everything goes fine and it seems that problem is
> > > related to TAnaManager in some ways...
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Gennaro
  1   10 Mar 2016 Thomas LindnerInfoNew forum for rootana MIDAS analyzer
This is a new forum for discussing the rootana MIDAS analyzer.  

Code is on bitbucket:

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana

There is also an associated wiki for rootana documentation

https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/ROOTANA
  2   10 Mar 2016 Thomas LindnerInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
I have finished a test implementation of a web display for MIDAS online
monitoring.  I have a test version of this display running here:

https://midastestdaq.triumf.ca/CS/webdisplay

(username/pwd: testdaq/testdaq)

The main features of this way of display MIDAS data are:

- An online rootana program that produces ROOT TH1 and TH2 histogram.
- A web server provided by ROOT (THttpServer) which serves up the histogram
information in JSON format.
- A bunch of crude html/javascript that grabs the JSON and plots it using a
couple of third-party javascript plotting packages.

I have written a more detailed description of this procedure (including some
known deficiencies) which is available here

https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_javascript_displays

The html/javascript for plotting is available in rootana/examples/html.  It
should be noted that this procedure is only weakly coupled to rootana; you could
pretty easily take any program that makes ROOT histograms, add this THttpServer
and re-work my html/javascript to plot it.  Most of the hard-work is already
provided by THttpServer (which incidentally is available in newer versions of
both ROOT5 and ROOT6).

I am imagining the following scenario for using these web tools:

- we use this web-based display of online MIDAS data for a sub-set of key plots
for shift-takers and for remote experts to provide quick feed-back (when you are
on the bus, at the bar, on the ski hill).
- we continue to use some rootana GUI that provides a complete set of all the
online MIDAS plots, as well as the ability to play-back data in MIDAS files.

I can imagine a situation where we might only use the web tools, though I
haven't yet thought seriously about how to allow a play-back of MIDAS files
through web display.

Hopefully people find these tools useful.  I'm interested in all feed-back.
  3   16 Sep 2016 Konstantin OlchanskiInfoROOT v6 status
ROOT v6 has been around for a while now, finally got around to test it with ROOTANA.

a) using root-v6-06-08
b) everything compiles and links
c) the example applications - i.e. display_example.exe - seem to run correctly
d) user applications linked against librootana.a show a problem loading the ROOTANA rdict.pcm files.

Failure to load the rdict.pcm files seems to prevent some functions, at least in the GUIs.

I do not fully understand how ROOT is supposed to find these files and I am asking for help on the ROOT forum.

In the mean time, there is a work around:
- symlink all rdict.pcm files into same place as the executable: ln -sv $ROOTANASYS/*/*.pcm .
- symlink all (many) .h files into the same place (this is a bit extreme): ln -sv $ROOTANASYS/include/* .

K.O.
  4   30 Sep 2016 Konstantin OlchanskiInfoROOT v6 status
> ROOT v6 has been around for a while now, finally got around to test it with ROOTANA.

The problems with loading rdict.pcm files and c++ .h header files is resolved, ROOTANA should be fully usable with ROOTv6:

Put this in your login file:

export ROOTANASYS=$HOME/packages/rootana
export ROOT_INCLUDE_PATH=$ROOTANASYS/include
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$ROOTANASYS/obj

Explanation:
- LD_LIBRARY_PATH is used to search for rdict.pcm files.
- ROOT_INCLUDE_PATH is used to find the c++ .h header files.

K.O.
  5   25 Jan 2017 Thomas LindnerInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
I have added some additional features to the example webdisplay that we have for
ROOTANA data (where we are displaying rootana data through ROOT THttpServer).  

The main improvement to the display is that I added the ability to plot the data
using the JSROOT package [1].  Previously I had used different packages (dygraphs
and plot-ly) for plotting.  The JSROOT plots are not obviously superior, though they
do present data in a more familiar way (at least for me).  The rootana webdisplay
currently  allows you to switch between the two different styles.

You can see a working example of the webdisplay here:

https://midastestdaq.triumf.ca/CS/webdisplay
(username/pwd: testdaq/testdaq)

All details on setting up that example are here:

https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_javascript_displays#Custom_web_display

I'm interested in any feedback on which plotting style people prefer (or any other
aspects of the rootana webdisplay).

[1] https://root.cern/js/
  6   26 Jan 2017 Pierre GorelInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
> I'm interested in any feedback on which plotting style people prefer (or any other
> aspects of the rootana webdisplay).

I personally prefer the ROOT style. It seems that they are equivalent, but it is possible to
change to log scale in X, Y (and Z for 2D) by simple click right on the plot. I cannot find
this feature in plot-ly. Unfortunately, it comes back to linear at the next refresh it seems...
Also, I prefer the 1D histograms as colums, not a segments.
  7   03 May 2017 Alberto RemotoInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
Hi Thomas,

> All details on setting up that example are here:
> 
> https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_javascript_displays#Custom_web_display

I am trying to test the webdisplay but I am not sure which would be the path:

I start the  THttpServer with:

$ ana.exe -r9091

But on the url:

http://localhost:9091/

I find just the default browser provided by JSROOT, while nothing is found on:

http://localhost:9091/CS/webdisplay

Where am I supposed to find the custom webdisplay provided by you?

Thank you, Alberto.
  8   03 May 2017 Thomas LindnerInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> > All details on setting up that example are here:
> > 
> > https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Rootana_javascript_displays#Custom_web_display
> 
> I am trying to test the webdisplay but I am not sure which would be the path:
> 
> I start the  THttpServer with:
> 
> $ ana.exe -r9091
> 
> But on the url:
> 
> http://localhost:9091/
> 
> I find just the default browser provided by JSROOT, while nothing is found on:
> 
> http://localhost:9091/CS/webdisplay
> 
> Where am I supposed to find the custom webdisplay provided by you?

Hi Alberto,

I have added some additional details to the MediaWiki page that you referenced above.  The main point is as follows:

1) You need to setup a custom MIDAS webpage to point towards the example code in 
rootana/examples/html/generic_webdisplay.html
This means you need to add new entries to the ODB directory /Custom

2) The 'same-origin policy' means that you need to setup some sort of proxying so that the custom web page can access the 
ROOT webpage.  So, let's suppose in your case that you had the following ports for web servers:

ROOT webserver: localhost:9091
MIDAS webserver: localhost:8081

so in that case you would want to setup an APACHE proxy so that

localhost -> localhost:8081 (for the MIDAS server)
localhost/rootana -> localhost:9091 (for the ROOT server)

then the custom page would be available at

localhost/CS/webdisplay

Please read my updated documentation and see if this makes any more sense.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Access_control_CORS
  9   09 May 2017 Konstantin OlchanskiInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
> 
> 2) The 'same-origin policy' means that you need to setup some sort of proxying so that the custom web page can access the 
> ROOT webpage.  So, let's suppose in your case that you had the following ports for web servers:
> [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Access_control_CORS
>

The MIDAS web server mhttpd already implements CORS, so you can access mhttpd AJAX and JSON-RPC from external web pages, no need to proxy.

Does the ROOT web server NOT implement CORS? We should file a bug report with ROOT if it does not.

K.O.
  20   10 Mar 2020 Konstantin OlchanskiInfoweb display of MIDAS data using rootana+THttpServer
> > 
> > 2) The 'same-origin policy' means ...
> > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Access_control_CORS
> >
> 
> The MIDAS web server mhttpd already implements CORS, so you can access mhttpd AJAX and JSON-RPC from external web pages, no need to proxy.
> Does the ROOT web server NOT implement CORS? We should file a bug report with ROOT if it does not.

For the record, the web server in ROOT 6.20 does implement CORS via the "cors=" option, see
https://github.com/root-project/jsroot/blob/master/docs/HttpServer.md

K.O.
  22   22 May 2020 Konstantin OlchanskiInforootana updates
I am updating the rootana code to include all the latest developments in midas and 
elsewhere:

- mxml, mjson (and soon mvodb, midasio and manalyzer) are moving into git submodules 
(shared with midas and usable as standalone code)
- VirtualOdb is gone, use MVOdb instead
- TMidasFile is gone, use TMReader and TMWriter in midasio.h
- TMidasEvent remains, I will update it with Stefan's to the midas bank format.
- TMEvent in midasio.h will also be updated for this
- TMEvent has incomplete implementation for creating new events and adding data banks, I 
hope to fix this. This should make midasio classes useful for writing MIDAS frontends.
- I am still thinking about what to do with roody and the XmlServer, MidasServer and 
NetDirectory code. Most likely remove it all and concentrate in supporting JSROOT and the 
associated ROOT-built-in web server. Maybe update roody to use the JSROOT interface to 
get data from the analyzer.

If you do not want to see all these changes, please use the rootana-2020-03 release 
branch.

After all changes are implemented and tested, I will cut a release branch and post an 
announcement.

K.O.
  39   04 Apr 2021 Konstantin OlchanskiInfodrop support for ROOT v5?
There is problem report about failing builds against ROOT v5. https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/issues/19/make-error-rtypesimph-should-only-be

At TRIUMF, do we even still have anybody who uses ROOT v5 with ROOTANA?

My newest copy of ROOT v5 is from 2016 and I am not sure it would run on any computer we still have.

So is ROOT v5 still relevant, should we officially say ROOT v5 is not supported?

K.O.
  44   29 Apr 2021 Konstantin OlchanskiInfomanalyzer split into a git submodule
In preparation to including the manalyzer into MIDAS, I split it into a separate 
repository and included it into ROOTANA as a git submodule.

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/manalyzer/src/master/

This will cause a minor difficulty and require a manual adjustment next time you 
do a "git pull":
- check that (a) manalyzer directory is empty or (b) it only has .o and .exe 
files, in both cases delete it
- run "git submodule init; git submodule update", you should see it clone the 
manalyzer repository

K.O.
  21   22 May 2020 Konstantin OlchanskiReleaserootana-2020-03
I cut a release branch and tag for rootana-2020-03. This release is meant to be used with 
midas release 2020-03.

More recent versions of midas have several incompatibilities with ROOTANA, and I will
be working on resolving them:

- new incompatible data bank format in midas .mid files. (to fix the 64-bit misalignment bug)
- renaming of MIDAS TID_xxx types
- renaming of MIDAS data types in XML ODB dump files.

When we tag the next midas release, we will tag the compatible ROOTANA release and going 
forward hope to have MIDAS and ROOTANA releases done in lock-step.

K.O.
  24   06 Nov 2020 Alexandr KozlinskiySuggestioncmake build
hi,

In mu3e we use cmake to build our software,
and as rootana does not use cmake build system it is
very difficult to integrate it in our software.

I have posted pull request
'https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/pull-requests/25'
that implements cmake build for rootana.
It is tested standalone on several systems
and also as part of mutrigana-base repo
(which is also used in online repo of mu3e).

Tests and comments are welcome.
  27   16 Dec 2020 Konstantin OlchanskiSuggestioncmake build
> hi,
> 
> In mu3e we use cmake to build our software,
> and as rootana does not use cmake build system it is
> very difficult to integrate it in our software.
> 
> I have posted pull request
> 'https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/pull-requests/25'
> that implements cmake build for rootana.
> It is tested standalone on several systems
> and also as part of mutrigana-base repo
> (which is also used in online repo of mu3e).
> 
> Tests and comments are welcome.

Thank you for contributing this. I will be working on MIDAS and ROOTANA soon and I 
hope to add cmake support. The main issue it to finish the split or mvodb, midasio 
and manalyzer into separate git submodules.

K.O.
  45   25 Apr 2022 Marius KoeppelSuggestionSupport for THttpServer Options
Dear all,

I would like to have the possibility to add different options when I create a THttpServer. At the moment the manalyzer.cxx only adds the port:

2840: sprintf(str, "http:127.0.0.1:%d?cors", httpPort);

But there are more options which one can use https://github.com/root-project/jsroot/blob/master/docs/HttpServer.md.

Best regards,
Marius
  46   27 Apr 2022 Konstantin OlchanskiSuggestionSupport for THttpServer Options
> I would like to have the possibility to add different options when I create a THttpServer.

I would like to know your "use case". What different options do you want to use in addition to what's already there?

I must ask because some options are insecure (i.e. exposing the webserver to external connections) and
while I have no problem with others shooting themselves in the foot, I think they should be warned
before they do it and I do not want to read it in the news that they did it using a gun I built.

TLDR follows:

> At the moment the manalyzer.cxx only adds the port:
> 2840: sprintf(str, "http:127.0.0.1:%d?cors", httpPort);

this is by design. it is only safe to bind thttpserver to localhost, exposing to external connections is not safe. (until somebody
can review the security situation with the version of civetweb, an antique clone of mongoose, inside ROOT).

same situation with mhttpd, it is not safe to expose it to external connections, it should always live
behind a password protected https proxy.

> But there are more options which one can use https://github.com/root-project/jsroot/blob/master/docs/HttpServer.md.

yes, I see there is more options now that there used to be before.

which ones do you want to use? and which ones you think are generally useful in what we do?

- threads - I am not sure what the latest thread-safe situation is on ROOT. is it useful to increase number of threads beyond 10?
- top=name - yes, useful, but I think jsroot overrides that.
- auth_file, auth_domain - digest authentication .htdigest file stores passwords effectively as plain text, if you steal the .htdigest file, you 
can login into the web server (as opposed to stealing /etc/passwd, you cannot login anywhere with it, not until you crack the hashes).
- loopback - this is what I want to enforce
- debug - could be useful, but is it?
- websocket - does this do anything useful for us?
- cors=domain - same as in midas mhttpd, I think we respond with CORS "*", is some other reponse useful?
- readonly - (is the default?)
- readwrite - I think should be *our* default
- global - (is the default, I agree)
- noglobal - any use case where we may want this?
- anything else?

For general use, I want maximum security configuration: bind to localhost, cors enabled, user can specify tcp port number, plus anything else from 
the list above?

For maximum flexibility we should probably have "--insecure-thttpd" to specify
the complete THttpServer() constructor argument. But it would be silly to force everybody
to use that just to set the "debug" option.

K.O.
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