> > ...I talked to KO so he agreed that yo then commit your proposed change of manalyzer 
> Merged and pushed.

negative. as I already 

We had issues with the frontend write cache size and the way it was implemented in the frontend 
framework mfe. Specifically, we had two equipments like in the experiment/examples/frontend.cxx, one 
trigger event and one periodic event. While the trigger event sets the cache size correctly in the 
equipment table, the periodic event (defined afterwards) overwrites the cache size to zero, causing slow 
data taking. 

The underlying problem is that one event buffer (usually "SYSTEM") can only have one cache size for all 
events in one frontend. To avoid mishaps like that, I remove the write cache size from the equipment table 
and instead defined a function which explicitly sets the cache size for a buffer. In your frontend_init() you 
can now call

  set_cache_size("SYSTEM", 10000000);

to set the cache size of the SYSTEM buffer. Note that 10 MiB is the minimum cache size. Especially for 
smaller events, this dramatically can speed up your maximal DAQ rate.

Full commit is here:

  https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/24fbf2c02037ae5f7db74d0cadab23cd4bfe3b13

Note that this only affects frontends using the mfe framework, NOT for those using the tmfe framework.

Stefan

Hi,
I have developed two Midas front-end programs for different hardware. The frontend_name of the first one is "FSCD_SC" (slow control) and that of the second one is "FSCD_PS" (power supply).

Each front-end program runs fine separately, but when attempting to start FSCD_SC while FSCD_PS is running, FSCD_PS is terminated and Midas indicates "Previous frontend stopped" in the window where it starts FSCD_SC.

The problem is that these two frontend names only differ in their last two characters, and Midas currently does not distinguish them properly.

Looking in mfe.cxx we have:

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
...
/* shutdown previous frontend */
   status = cm_shutdown(full_frontend_name, FALSE);
...

And looking in midas.cxx we have:

INT cm_shutdown(const char *name, BOOL bUnique) {
...
if (!bUnique)
            client_name[strlen(name)] = 0;      /* strip number */
...

The above line removes the last 3 characters of the front-end name before the subsequent comparison with other frontend names. Stripping the last 3 characters of the front-end name is correct for frontend programs that use the "-i" command line option to specify an index for that frontend, but all the characters of the front-end name should otherwise be kept for comparison.

I have changed the names of my frontend programs to avoid the interference, but it would be nice that the code that determines if an instance of a frontend program is already running is corrected.

I hope this can help.

Best regards,
Denis.

Hi Denis,

indeed a bug. Will fix it next week.

Best,
Stefan


> Hi,
> I have developed two Midas front-end programs for different hardware. The frontend_name of the first one is "FSCD_SC" (slow control) and that of the second one is "FSCD_PS" (power supply).
> 
> Each front-end program runs fine separately, but when attempting to start FSCD_SC while FSCD_PS is running, FSCD_PS is terminated and Midas indicates "Previous frontend stopped" in the window where it starts FSCD_SC.
> 
> The problem is that these two frontend names only differ in their last two characters, and Midas currently does not distinguish them properly.

Fixed and committed.

Best,
Stefan

> Hi Denis,
> 
> indeed a bug. Will fix it next week.
> 
> Best,
> Stefan
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> > I have developed two Midas front-end programs for different hardware. The frontend_name of the first one is "FSCD_SC" (slow control) and that of the second one is "FSCD_PS" (power supply).
> > 
> > Each front-end program runs fine separately, but when attempting to start FSCD_SC while FSCD_PS is running, FSCD_PS is terminated and Midas indicates "Previous frontend stopped" in the window where it starts FSCD_SC.
> > 
> > The problem is that these two frontend names only differ in their last two characters, and Midas currently does not distinguish them properly.

I wrote a c++ frontend to read data from CAEN VX1730 digitizers which is used in
parallel with the GRIFFIN frontend to read out DESCANT.

After a long overnight run to check that the frontend runs smoothly for a longer
time, I stopped the run and the frontend was killed by midas. I am not sure why
this happened, as the end_of_run function returned successfully (at least the
print statement right before "return SUCCESS;" appeared right away). So
something else must have timed-out and caused it to be killed, I guess?

Any suggestions on where to look to find out what causes this?

Thanks in advance for your help!

> After a long overnight run to check that the frontend runs smoothly for a longer
> time, I stopped the run and the frontend was killed by midas.

run the frontend inside gdb and post the stack trace after the crash?

if there is no crash (the program is stopped by exit()), you may need
to set a breakpoint in exit() or _exit() (not sure what it's latest name is)
then with luck your stack trace will show who/what called it from where.

if it is hard to start the frontend inside gdb, you can start it normally,
and attach gdb later, using a "gdb frontend.exe pid" command.

K.O.



> I am not sure why
> this happened, as the end_of_run function returned successfully (at least the
> print statement right before "return SUCCESS;" appeared right away). So
> something else must have timed-out and caused it to be killed, I guess?
> 
> Any suggestions on where to look to find out what causes this?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help!

> run the frontend inside gdb and post the stack trace after the crash?
> 
> if there is no crash (the program is stopped by exit()), you may need
> to set a breakpoint in exit() or _exit() (not sure what it's latest name is)
> then with luck your stack trace will show who/what called it from where.
> 

If I remember correctly from the last time I tried that, it doesn't use the exit
function but gdb just reports that the program was terminated and no longer exists. I
can't set a breakpoint on SIGKILL as the point of SIGKILL is to kill the program and
gdb can't set a break at that point afaik.

> > run the frontend inside gdb and post the stack trace after the crash?
> > 
> > if there is no crash (the program is stopped by exit()), you may need
> > to set a breakpoint in exit() or _exit() (not sure what it's latest name is)
> > then with luck your stack trace will show who/what called it from where.
> > 
> 
> If I remember correctly from the last time I tried that, it doesn't use the exit
> function but gdb just reports that the program was terminated and no longer exists. I
> can't set a breakpoint on SIGKILL as the point of SIGKILL is to kill the program and
> gdb can't set a break at that point afaik.

For SIGKILL, my gdb reports "Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed." and there is no stack 
trace. Is this what you see?

If your program stops "normally", not from receiving some signal, set breakpoints on "exit" and 
"_exit".

The normal stop sequence is to call exit(), which runs all the atexit() functions (the midas atexit() 
function prints the message about "cm_disconnect_experiment not called at end of program") and 
calls _exit() to stop the program.

So if you see the midas message "cm_disconnect_experiment not called at end of program", it is a 
good indication that somebody (not mfe.c) called exit() on you. A breakpoint on "exit" should catch 
who does it.

Good luck,
K.O.

> > > run the frontend inside gdb and post the stack trace after the crash?
> > > 
> > > if there is no crash (the program is stopped by exit()), you may need
> > > to set a breakpoint in exit() or _exit() (not sure what it's latest name is)
> > > then with luck your stack trace will show who/what called it from where.
> > > 
> > 
> > If I remember correctly from the last time I tried that, it doesn't use the exit
> > function but gdb just reports that the program was terminated and no longer exists. I
> > can't set a breakpoint on SIGKILL as the point of SIGKILL is to kill the program and
> > gdb can't set a break at that point afaik.
> 
> For SIGKILL, my gdb reports "Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed." and there is no stack 
> trace. Is this what you see?

Yes, that is exactly what I remember seeing.

> 
> If your program stops "normally", not from receiving some signal, set breakpoints on "exit" and 
> "_exit".
> 
> The normal stop sequence is to call exit(), which runs all the atexit() functions (the midas atexit() 
> function prints the message about "cm_disconnect_experiment not called at end of program") and 
> calls _exit() to stop the program.
> 
> So if you see the midas message "cm_disconnect_experiment not called at end of program", it is a 
> good indication that somebody (not mfe.c) called exit() on you. A breakpoint on "exit" should catch 
> who does it.
> 
> Good luck,
> K.O.

So far I haven't seen the issue with the message "cm_disconnect_experiment not called at end of program"
again. Now I just have to restart the frontend after the run has (failed?) to stop. After restarting the
frontend everything seems to work again. 

I haven't been writing data while doing these tests, so I can't say if there is any data missing or if the
runs were actually stopped properly (with a second dump of the ODB at the end).

> > 
> > For SIGKILL, my gdb reports "Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed." and there is no stack 
> > trace. Is this what you see?
> 
> Yes, that is exactly what I remember seeing.
> 

Where would a SIGKILL come from?!?

Look in the syslog (/var/log/messages). If the program was killed by the linux kernel, it would be logged there,
the usual cause is the machine runs out of memory and programs are killed by the OOM killer, this is logged
into the syslog, always.

MIDAS also can issue a SIGKILL sometimes, again this is always logged in midas.log. see src/midas.c, search for SIGKILL to see 
the exact messages printed before it is sent out.

K.O.

> > > 
> > > For SIGKILL, my gdb reports "Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed." and there is no stack 
> > > trace. Is this what you see?
> > 
> > Yes, that is exactly what I remember seeing.
> > 
> 
> Where would a SIGKILL come from?!?
> 
> Look in the syslog (/var/log/messages). If the program was killed by the linux kernel, it would be logged there,
> the usual cause is the machine runs out of memory and programs are killed by the OOM killer, this is logged
> into the syslog, always.
> 
> MIDAS also can issue a SIGKILL sometimes, again this is always logged in midas.log. see src/midas.c, search for SIGKILL to see 
> the exact messages printed before it is sent out.
> 
> K.O.

I haven't been able to reproduce the error from the overnight run so far. I will try and leave this running in gdb overnight to see
if I can get that error again. 

> > > > 
> > > > For SIGKILL, my gdb reports "Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed." and there is no stack 
> > > > trace. Is this what you see?
> > > 
> > > Yes, that is exactly what I remember seeing.
> > > 
> > 
> > Where would a SIGKILL come from?!?
> > 
> > Look in the syslog (/var/log/messages). If the program was killed by the linux kernel, it would be logged there,
> > the usual cause is the machine runs out of memory and programs are killed by the OOM killer, this is logged
> > into the syslog, always.
> > 
> > MIDAS also can issue a SIGKILL sometimes, again this is always logged in midas.log. see src/midas.c, search for SIGKILL to see 
> > the exact messages printed before it is sent out.
> > 
> > K.O.
> 
> I haven't been able to reproduce the error from the overnight run so far. I will try and leave this running in gdb overnight to see
> if I can get that error again. 

I was able to reproduce the error after an overnight run. gdb reported that the program received a SIGKILL, but no sign of it in 
/var/log/messages. I've tried finding a current midas.log file, but it seems we don't have one? The most recent one was last updated 
on May 24th this year.

> ... finding a current midas.log file

On the "help" page, see "midas.log".

Same information is in ODB, the midas log file name is concatenation of "/Logger/Data dir" and "message file".

K.O.

Tue Jul  9 07:24:06 2019 [mhttpd,INFO] Run #13456 started
Wed Jul 10 06:23:58 2019 [mhttpd,ERROR] [system.c:4580:ss_recv_net_command,ERROR] timeout receiving network 
command header
Wed Jul 10 06:23:58 2019 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.c:10322:rpc_client_call,ERROR] call to "fedescant" on 
"grsmid00.triumf.ca" RPC "rc_transition": timeout waiting for reply
Wed Jul 10 06:24:02 2019 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.c:5495:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Client 'fedescant' not responding to 
shutdown command
Wed Jul 10 06:24:02 2019 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.c:5497:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Killing and Deleting client 'fedescant' 
pid 31482
Wed Jul 10 06:24:02 2019 [Logger,INFO] Client 'fedescant' on buffer 'SYSMSG' removed by cm_watchdog because 
process pid 31482 does not exist
Wed Jul 10 06:24:02 2019 [fegrifip09,INFO] Client 'fedescant' on buffer 'SYSTEM' removed by cm_watchdog because 
process pid 31482 does not exist
Wed Jul 10 06:24:03 2019 [mhttpd,INFO] Run #13456 stopped

> Wed Jul 10 06:23:58 2019 [mhttpd,ERROR] [system.c:4580:ss_recv_net_command,ERROR] timeout receiving network  command header
> Wed Jul 10 06:23:58 2019 [mhttpd,ERROR] [midas.c:10322:rpc_client_call,ERROR] call to "fedescant" on  "grsmid00.triumf.ca" RPC "rc_transition": timeout waiting for reply

We should have started debugging from here. The error messages mean: your frontend is not responding to run transition (RPC timeout).

> problem in the communication via the A3818 card from CAEN.

Yes, this has been problematic before.

K.O.

What is the api call to determine the index of the frontend when specifying the
-i parameter during execution of the frontend? 

> What is the api call to determine the index of the frontend when specifying the
> -i parameter during execution of the frontend? 

INT get_frontend_index();

- Stefan

Dear friends,

We have some questions on using midas.
We use a Caen digitizer V1751 to take waveforms.
When testing with caen provided programs, we roughly know it can work fine at 1000 Hz event rate, and 30 M/s data can be written to disk.
The test with Midas, however, is a little confusing. We use CAENDigitizer library with Midas. First, it works, data were taken, and there seems no error.
The only problem is we cannot go to a higher event rate, for example we can only work on a rate of 40 Hz, and only 3 M/s data recording. Otherwise it will crush.

We may miss something really simple. Would you please give some suggestions? for example, other people's discussions or documents?

Thank you very much.

Dear friends,

I may add a little more information.
For polling event, we check the data-ready register for the status of the digitizer.
In the readout routine, we create a bank, readout the data and write it out.

We commented out or made some replacement for each part of the subroutines to figure our where exactly goes wrong.
for example, replace the readout from the digitizer with a random generation of some fake events.
By replacing the readout by a random generation, the program runs fine and reach a very high event rates.

Any suggestions or ideas from experts?

Thank you very much.

--
Best regards,
Zhe Wang


> Dear friends,
> 
> We have some questions on using midas.
> We use a Caen digitizer V1751 to take waveforms.
> When testing with caen provided programs, we roughly know it can work fine at 1000 Hz event rate, and 30 M/s data can be written to disk.
> The test with Midas, however, is a little confusing. We use CAENDigitizer library with Midas. First, it works, data were taken, and there seems no error.
> The only problem is we cannot go to a higher event rate, for example we can only work on a rate of 40 Hz, and only 3 M/s data recording. Otherwise it will crush.
> 
> We may miss something really simple. Would you please give some suggestions? for example, other people's discussions or documents?
> 
> Thank you very much.