> odbedit command "rename Display xxx/yyy" creates a key named "xxx/yyy" (yes,
> with a slash in the name) and this key cannot be deleted or renamed...
> K.O.

"rename" is "rename", not "mv" under Unix. If you want this functionality, put it
in and don't complain!

since I am implementing a polled equipment, I was curious what is the smallest possible sleep time on current computers.

in current UNIX, there are 2 system calls available for sleeping: select() (with microsecond granularity) and nanosleep() (with nanosecond granularity).

So I wrote a little test program to check it out (progs/test_sleep).

First, Linux result using select(). Typical run on AMD 3700X CPU (4.1 GHz turbo boost) with Ubuntu LTS 20, linux kernel 5.8:

daq13:midas$ ./bin/test_sleep 
sleep      10 loops, 0.100000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1003368.855 usec actual, 100336.885 usec actual per loop, oversleep 336.885 usec, 0.3%
sleep     100 loops, 0.010000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1008512.020 usec actual, 10085.120 usec actual per loop, oversleep 85.120 usec, 0.9%
sleep    1000 loops, 0.001000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1062137.842 usec actual, 1062.138 usec actual per loop, oversleep 62.138 usec, 6.2%
sleep   10000 loops, 0.000100 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1528650.999 usec actual, 152.865 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.865 usec, 52.9%
sleep   99999 loops, 0.000010 sec per loop, 0.999990 sec total,  6250898.123 usec actual, 62.510 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.510 usec, 525.1%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000001 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total, 54056918.144 usec actual, 54.057 usec actual per loop, oversleep 53.057 usec, 5305.7%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.100000 sec total,   210875.988 usec actual, 0.211 usec actual per loop, oversleep 0.111 usec, 110.9%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.010000 sec total,   204804.897 usec actual, 0.205 usec actual per loop, oversleep 0.195 usec, 1948.0%
daq13:midas$ 

How to read this:

First line is 10 sleeps of 100 ms, for a total of 1 sec. this actually sleeps for a bit longer,
average over-sleep is 300 usec out of 100 ms is 0.3%.

Next few lines use progressively shorter sleep, 10 ms, 1 ms and 0.1 ms. over-sleep is consistently around 50-60 usec,
which I conclude to be this linux sleep granularity.

Last two lines try sleep for 0.1 usec and 0.01 usec, resulting in a zero-time sleep of select(),
so we just measure the average time cost of a linux syscall, around 200 ns in this machine.

Going to different machines:

Intel E-2236 (4.8 GHz tutboboost), Ubuntu LTS 20, linux kernel 5.8: over-sleep is 60 usec, zero-sleep is 400 ns.
Intel E-2226G (same, see arc.intel.com), CentOS-7, linux kernel 3.10: over-sleep is 60 usec, zero-sleep is 600 ns.
VME processor (2 GHz Intel T7400), Ubuntu 20, linux kernel 5.8: over-sleep is 60 usec, zero-sleep is 1700 ns.

This is pretty consistent, select() over-sleep is 60 usec on all hardware, zero-sleep tracks CPU GHz ratings.

Next, MacOS result, MacBookAir2020, MacOS 10.15.7, CPU 1.2 GHz i7-1060G7:

4ed0:midas olchansk$ ./bin/test_sleep 
sleep      10 loops, 0.100000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1031108.856 usec actual, 103110.886 usec actual per loop, oversleep 3110.886 usec, 3.1%
sleep     100 loops, 0.010000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1091104.984 usec actual, 10911.050 usec actual per loop, oversleep 911.050 usec, 9.1%
sleep    1000 loops, 0.001000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1270800.829 usec actual, 1270.801 usec actual per loop, oversleep 270.801 usec, 27.1%
sleep   10000 loops, 0.000100 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1370345.116 usec actual, 137.035 usec actual per loop, oversleep 37.035 usec, 37.0%
sleep   99999 loops, 0.000010 sec per loop, 0.999990 sec total,  1706473.112 usec actual, 17.065 usec actual per loop, oversleep 7.065 usec, 70.6%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000001 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  5150341.034 usec actual, 5.150 usec actual per loop, oversleep 4.150 usec, 415.0%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.100000 sec total,   595654.011 usec actual, 0.596 usec actual per loop, oversleep 0.496 usec, 495.7%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.010000 sec total,   591560.125 usec actual, 0.592 usec actual per loop, oversleep 0.582 usec, 5815.6%
4ed0:midas olchansk$ 

things are quite different here, OS is Mach microkernel with an oldish FreeBSD UNIX single-server (from NextSTEP),
so the sleep granularity is different, better than linux. zero-sleep still measures the syscall time, 600 ns on this machine.

Next we measure the same using the nansleep() syscall.

daq13:midas$ ./bin/test_sleep 
sleep      10 loops, 0.100000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1004133.940 usec actual, 100413.394 usec actual per loop, oversleep 413.394 usec, 0.4%
sleep     100 loops, 0.010000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1046117.067 usec actual, 10461.171 usec actual per loop, oversleep 461.171 usec, 4.6%
sleep    1000 loops, 0.001000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1096894.979 usec actual, 1096.895 usec actual per loop, oversleep 96.895 usec, 9.7%
sleep   10000 loops, 0.000100 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1526744.843 usec actual, 152.674 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.674 usec, 52.7%
sleep   99999 loops, 0.000010 sec per loop, 0.999990 sec total,  6250154.018 usec actual, 62.502 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.502 usec, 525.0%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000001 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total, 53344123.125 usec actual, 53.344 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.344 usec, 5234.4%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.100000 sec total, 52641665.936 usec actual, 52.642 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.542 usec, 52541.7%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.010000 sec total, 52637501.001 usec actual, 52.638 usec actual per loop, oversleep 52.628 usec, 526275.0%
daq13:midas$ 

Here everything is simple. sleep longer than 1000 usec works the same as select(), sleep for shorter than 100 usec sleeps for 52 usec, regardless of what 
we ask for.

MacOS does no better, long sleeps are same as select(), sleeps is 1 usec or less sleep for too long. no improvement over select().

4ed0:midas olchansk$ ./bin/test_sleep 
sleep      10 loops, 0.100000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1023327.827 usec actual, 102332.783 usec actual per loop, oversleep 2332.783 usec, 2.3%
sleep     100 loops, 0.010000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1130330.086 usec actual, 11303.301 usec actual per loop, oversleep 1303.301 usec, 13.0%
sleep    1000 loops, 0.001000 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1333846.807 usec actual, 1333.847 usec actual per loop, oversleep 333.847 usec, 33.4%
sleep   10000 loops, 0.000100 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  1402330.160 usec actual, 140.233 usec actual per loop, oversleep 40.233 usec, 40.2%
sleep   99999 loops, 0.000010 sec per loop, 0.999990 sec total,  2034706.831 usec actual, 20.347 usec actual per loop, oversleep 10.347 usec, 103.5%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000001 sec per loop, 1.000000 sec total,  6646192.074 usec actual, 6.646 usec actual per loop, oversleep 5.646 usec, 564.6%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.100000 sec total,  7556284.189 usec actual, 7.556 usec actual per loop, oversleep 7.456 usec, 7456.3%
sleep 1000000 loops, 0.000000 sec per loop, 0.010000 sec total, 15720005.035 usec actual, 15.720 usec actual per loop, oversleep 15.710 usec, 157100.1%
4ed0:midas olchansk$ 

On Linux, strace tells us that the actual syscall behind nanosleep() is this:
clock_nanosleep(CLOCK_REALTIME, 0, {tv_sec=0, tv_nsec=10000}, 0x7fffc159e200) = 0

Let's try it directly... result is the same.
Let's try it with CLOCK_MONOTONIC... result is the same.

The man page of clock_nanosleep() specifies that this syscall always suspends the calling thread,
so what we see here is the Linux scheduler tick size.

Bottom line.

On current linux, shortest sleep is around 100 usec both select() and nanosleep().
On MacOS, shortest sleep is down to 5 usec using select(), but I cannot tell if CPU sleeps or busy-loops.

select() is still the best syscall for sleeping.

K.O.

Why do you need that? Periodic equipment typically runs ever ten seconds or so, meaning one can do this easily in a scheduler.

For polled equipment, you don't want to sleep at all. Because if you sleep, you might miss an event. That's why I put my poll in mfe.c into a for() loop. No 
sleep, maximum polling rate. I just double checked on my macbook air. 

- If poll is always false (no event available), the loop executes 50M times in 100ms (calibrated during startup of the frontend). That means one iteration 
takes 2ns (!). So if an event occurs, the readout is started with a 2ns overhead. No sleep can beat that. In a real world application, one has to add of course 
the VME access or so to poll for the event.

- If poll is always true, the framework generates about 700k events each second (returning jus a few bytes of event data).

So if one adds any sleep here, things can get only worse, so I don't see the point for that. Of course polling eats one kernel at 100%, but these days every 
CPU has more than one, even my 800 MHz Xilinx embedded ARM CPU (Zynq).

Best,
Stefan

> Why do you need that?

UNIX/POSIX advertises functions for sleeping in microseconds and nanoseconds,
for sure it is interesting to know what they actually do and what happens
when you ask them to sleep for 1 microsecond or 1 nanosecond.

To sleep or not to sleep that is a question.

But if I do decide to sleep, and I call the sleep function, I want to know what actually happens.

Now I do and I share it with all.

On current Linux, shortest sleep is around 60 usec. select() with sleep
shorter than that will not sleep at all, nanosleep() will always sleep for
the shortest amount.

P.S. For fans of interrupts ("because they are fast"), sleep waiting for interrupt
probably has same latency/granularity as above (60 usec), so if I drive a DMA engine
and I except the DMA transfer to complete under 60 usec, I should use a busy loop
to poll the "DMA done" bit instead of going to sleep and wait for the DMA interrupt.

K.O.

> Hi all, I hope this is the right place to post two pull requests, if not, please let me know where I should be submitting them
> 
> Both are fairly small changes, please see them listed below (more details written on the PRs themselves)
> 
> 
> - Enable ROOT's thread safety when running in multithreaded mode
> 
> This helps avoid users having to write their call to a global thread lock when calling ->Fill() on ROOT histograms and Trees
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/manalyzer/pull-requests/5
> 
> 
> - Add command argument to specify an IP of the root HTTP server to bind to
> 
> This was a problem I painted around when at ALPHA (quickly hardcoding the right external IP address into the local build. Obviously a bad habit)
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/manalyzer/pull-requests/6

Further to the pull manalyzer pull requests, I have another feature I would like to add. Took a little longer to test than planned... here I present an effort to use smart pointers to manage the lifetime of TMEvents and TAFlow.

I will be interested to discuss the implications of this pull request (its possible to return to previous 'raw' pointers via a cmake toggle)

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/manalyzer/pull-requests/8

I see that MIDAS installs several set-uid-root programs into /usr/local/bin.
In this age and time of evil computer hackers, this is not a good idea and
we should Do Something (TM) about it. Here is my risk assessment:

[olchansk@midtis06 midas]$ ls -l /usr/local/bin | grep wsr
-rwsr-sr-x    1 root     root        25811 Nov 20 09:27 dio
-rwsr-sr-x    1 root     root       344553 Nov 20 09:27 mhttpd
-rwsr-sr-x    1 root     root        70736 Nov 20 09:27 webpaw

dio- is required to be setuid-root to gain I/O permissions. I looked at it a
few times, and it is probably safe, but I would like to get a second
opinion. Stephan, can you should it to your local security geeks?

mhttpd- definitely unsafe. It has more buffer overflows than I can shake a
stick at. Why is it suid-root anyway?

webpaw- what is it?!?

K.O.

> dio- is required to be setuid-root to gain I/O permissions. I looked at it a
> few times, and it is probably safe, but I would like to get a second
> opinion. Stephan, can you should it to your local security geeks?
> 
> mhttpd- definitely unsafe. It has more buffer overflows than I can shake a
> stick at. Why is it suid-root anyway?
> 
> webpaw- what is it?!?

dio was written by Pierre. 

mhttpd and webpaw both are web servers. webpaw is used to display PAW 
pictures over the web. If you run these programs at a port <1024, and most 
people do run them at port 80 (at least at PSI), they need to be setuid-root. 
Unless you know a better way to do that...

I am getting a series of errors from MIDAS that I do not understand, so I hope
someone can help me figure this out.

I am attempting to run many frontends on one machine. I can run 8 with no
problem, but if I try to add a 9th I get errors relating to send_tcp. 

I have tried adjusting the max event sizes and buffer sizes, but it has not
resolved the problem. I also tried adjusting the data rates and the total data
volume going through each frontend, but there was no change. And as far as I can
tell I am not up against any hardware limits.

The errors are repeated continuously while a run is going. The three errors I
get are:

16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR] send_tcp() failed
16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to master
16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 32 (Broken pipe)

If you have any suggestions of how I can debug this, please let me know. Thanks!

> I am getting a series of errors from MIDAS that I do not understand, so I hope
> someone can help me figure this out.
> 
> I am attempting to run many frontends on one machine. I can run 8 with no
> problem, but if I try to add a 9th I get errors relating to send_tcp. 
> 
> I have tried adjusting the max event sizes and buffer sizes, but it has not
> resolved the problem. I also tried adjusting the data rates and the total data
> volume going through each frontend, but there was no change. And as far as I can
> tell I am not up against any hardware limits.
> 
> The errors are repeated continuously while a run is going. The three errors I
> get are:
> 
> 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR] send_tcp() failed
> 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to master
> 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
> send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 32 (Broken pipe)
> 
> If you have any suggestions of how I can debug this, please let me know. Thanks!

Can you tell me

- why you need 9 frontends
- what kind of data your frontends produce
- how your event builder looks like and how you assemble the fragments
- what messages/errors you see when you run odbedit BEFORE the crash

/Stefan

> > I am getting a series of errors from MIDAS that I do not understand, so I hope
> > someone can help me figure this out.
> > 
> > I am attempting to run many frontends on one machine. I can run 8 with no
> > problem, but if I try to add a 9th I get errors relating to send_tcp. 
> > 
> > I have tried adjusting the max event sizes and buffer sizes, but it has not
> > resolved the problem. I also tried adjusting the data rates and the total data
> > volume going through each frontend, but there was no change. And as far as I can
> > tell I am not up against any hardware limits.
> > 
> > The errors are repeated continuously while a run is going. The three errors I
> > get are:
> > 
> > 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR] send_tcp() failed
> > 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to master
> > 16:45:22 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
> > send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 32 (Broken pipe)
> > 
> > If you have any suggestions of how I can debug this, please let me know. Thanks!
> 
> Can you tell me
> 
> - why you need 9 frontends
> - what kind of data your frontends produce
> - how your event builder looks like and how you assemble the fragments
> - what messages/errors you see when you run odbedit BEFORE the crash
> 
> /Stefan

Our experiment will need 24 frontends that will each run on its own machine. For now we
want to run 24 "fake" frontends on one machine for testing purposes. 9 is the limit
where it stops working properly. 

We have a pulser that is giving us periodic data at a constant rate. We have a master
frontend running on a different PC in interrupt mode that assembles the events, and then
N "FakeData" frontends running in polled mode on a single PC. 

We do have an event builder, but we get these errors whether the event builder is
running or not.

At the start of a run, I see the following messages:

[mtransition,INFO] Run #21 started
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [FakeData09,ERROR] [system.c:4166:send_tcp,ERROR]
send(socket=9,size=16) returned -1, errno: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [FakeData09,ERROR] [midas.c:9958:rpc_client_call,ERROR]
send_tcp() failed
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [FakeData09,ERROR] [frontend_rpc.c:191:rpc_call,ERROR] No RPC to
master
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [master,ERROR] [midas.c:10844:recv_tcp_server,ERROR] Cannot
allocate 268435512 bytes for network buffer
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [master,ERROR] [midas.c:12893:rpc_server_receive,ERROR]
recv_tcp_server() returned -1, abort
Sat Feb 9 16:14:57 2013 [master,TALK] Program 'FakeData09' on host 'fe01' aborted

After this it recycles just the first three errors that I mentioned above.

Ok, now the picture is clearer. I have however no idea what the real problem is. The number of concurrent programs in midas is 64 as defined in midas.h (MAX_CLIENTS) so that should not be the problem. In our experiment we run 10 front-ends (but 
on 10 different machines) without problems. Other experiments used 27 front-ends.

The TCP error you see comes probably from the fact that the mserver side crashes or quits, then the socket gets broken. What you can try to debug this is to run mserver manually. Just remove mserver from inetd, and start it with "mserver -d" and 
watch what happens. Do you see any additional error messages. If the mserver segfaults, you should turn on core dumps and have a look there. Note that the mserver starts a child process on each incoming connection, so running mserver in gdb 
does not really help, since the child processes (which connect back to the front-ends) are not seen by gdb.

Have you tried to run the 9 front-ends on maybe two different PCs (5 and 4) to see if the problem is on the client side?


Best regards,
Stefan

Thank you for the help. As it turns out, the problem was due to the fact that we were compiling MIDAS on our 64 bit backend machine, but one of the frontend machines is 32 bit. The problem was resolved by compiling a 32 bit version of MIDAS in
addition to the 64 bit version.

I am looking at the mlogger in the ALPHA anti-hydrogen experiment at CERN. It is 
mysteriously misbehaving during run start and stop.

The problem turns out to be with the select() system call.

The corresponding FD_SET(), FD_ISSET() & co operate on a an array of fixed size 
FD_SETSIZE, value 1024, in my case. But the socket number is 1409, so we overrun 
the FD_SET() array. Ouch.

I see that all uses of select() in midas have no protection against this.

(we should probably move away from select() to newer poll() or whatever it is)

Why does mlogger open so many file descriptors? The usual, scaling problems in the 
history. The old midas history does not reuse file descriptors, so opens the same 
3 history files (.hst, .idx, etc) for each history event. The new FILE history 
opens just one file per history event. But if the number of events is bigger than 
1024, we run into same trouble.

(BTW, the system limit on file descriptors is 4096 on the affected machine, 1024 
on some other machines, see "limit" or "ulimit -a").

K.O.

> I am looking at the mlogger in the ALPHA anti-hydrogen experiment at CERN. It is 
> mysteriously misbehaving during run start and stop.
> 
> The problem turns out to be with the select() system call.
> 
> The corresponding FD_SET(), FD_ISSET() & co operate on a an array of fixed size 
> FD_SETSIZE, value 1024, in my case. But the socket number is 1409, so we overrun 
> the FD_SET() array. Ouch.
> 
> I see that all uses of select() in midas have no protection against this.
> 
> (we should probably move away from select() to newer poll() or whatever it is)
> 
> Why does mlogger open so many file descriptors? The usual, scaling problems in the 
> history. The old midas history does not reuse file descriptors, so opens the same 
> 3 history files (.hst, .idx, etc) for each history event. The new FILE history 
> opens just one file per history event. But if the number of events is bigger than 
> 1024, we run into same trouble.
> 
> (BTW, the system limit on file descriptors is 4096 on the affected machine, 1024 
> on some other machines, see "limit" or "ulimit -a").
> 
> K.O.

I cannot imagine that you have more than 1024 different events in ALPHA. That wouldn't 
fit on your status page. 

I have some other suspicion: The logger opens a history file on access, then closes it 
again after writing to it. In the old days we had a case where we had a return from the 
write function BEFORE the file has been closed. This is kind of a memory leak, but with 
file descriptors. After some time of course you run out of file descriptors and crash. 
Now that bug has been fixed many years ago, but it sounds to me like there is another 
"fd leak" somewhere. You should add some debugging in the history code to print the 
file descriptors when you open a file and when you leave that routine. The leak could 
however also be somewhere else, like writing to the message file, ODB dump, ...

The right thing of course would be to rewrite everything with std::ofstream which 
closes automatically the file when the object gets out of scope.

Stefan

Hello,

When I  connect to analyzer on a x86_64 processor(with Roody),  
a analyzer break with segmentation violation in the root_server_thread  function.
Same code are working fine on a 32bit processor.
As I found the problem are in exchanging of pointers between analyzer and client.
Before to send a pointer, it is saved a pointer in int (size=4, instead of 8) at
this place:
Index: src/mana.c
===================================================================
--- src/mana.c  (revision 3498)
+++ src/mana.c  (working copy)
@@ -5386,7 +5386,7 @@

             //write pointer
             message->Reset(kMESS_ANY);
-            int p = (POINTER_T) obj;
+            POINTER_T p = (POINTER_T) obj;
             *message << p;
             sock->Send(*message);


Sincerely Yours,
Fedor Ignatov 

> Hello,
> 
> When I  connect to analyzer on a x86_64 processor(with Roody),  
> a analyzer break with segmentation violation in the root_server_thread  function.
> Same code are working fine on a 32bit processor.
> As I found the problem are in exchanging of pointers between analyzer and client.
> Before to send a pointer, it is saved a pointer in int (size=4, instead of 8) at
> this place:
> Index: src/mana.c
> ===================================================================
> --- src/mana.c  (revision 3498)
> +++ src/mana.c  (working copy)
> @@ -5386,7 +5386,7 @@
> 
>              //write pointer
>              message->Reset(kMESS_ANY);
> -            int p = (POINTER_T) obj;
> +            POINTER_T p = (POINTER_T) obj;
>              *message << p;
>              sock->Send(*message);
> 
> 
> Sincerely Yours,
> Fedor Ignatov 

Do I understand you right? With your patch it works even on 64 bit, right? Or do you
mean there is still a segmentation violation? Anyhow I committed your patch since the
"int" is clearly incorrect.

- Stefan

Yes right, Problem of a segmentation violation is solved with this patch. Now it works
fine on x86_64.

Fedor 

> Do I understand you right? With your patch it works even on 64 bit, right? Or do you
> mean there is still a segmentation violation? Anyhow I committed your patch since the
> "int" is clearly incorrect.
> 
> - Stefan

> Yes right, Problem of a segmentation violation is solved with this patch. Now it works
> fine on x86_64.

Right. I confirm this. I have this exact same fix in my stand-alone copy of the midas
histogram server, and should commit it to MIDAS CVS as well.

K.O.

Another small user experience request:

When making a link in the odb (web interface) a nice browser window pop's up. There is however not scrolling possible in the window. As a result, you can not reach a odb key if it is nested to deeply. 

Trying to type out the Link target in the field only allows for 32 characters

context: we are setting up a bunch of Links in the History

> When making a link in the odb (web interface) a nice browser window pop's up. There is however not scrolling possible in the window. As a result, you can not reach a odb key if it is nested to deeply. 
> 
> Trying to type out the Link target in the field only allows for 32 characters

Thanks for reporting the bug with the pop-up not being able to scroll, I fixed that and committed the change.

I do however not understand the issue with 32 characters. The link NAME should not be more than 32 chars (which applies to all ODB keys). 
But if I try I can write more than 32 chars in the link target.

Stefan