In the ALPHA experiment at CERN I found a problem in mfe.c handling of multithreaded equipments. This problem was in 
some forms introduced around May 2013 and around Aug 2013 (commit 
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/src/45984c35b4f7/src/mfe.c) (I hope I got it right).

The effect was very odd - if event rate of multithreaded equipment was more than 100 Hz, the event counters on the midas 
status page would not increment and the frontend will crash on end of run. Other than that, all the events from the 
multithreaded equipment seem to appear in the SYSTEM buffer and in the data file normally.

This happened: in mfe.c::receive_trigger_event() a loop was introduced (previously,
there was no loop there - there was and still is a loop outside of receive_trigger_event()):

while (1)
   wait 10 ms for an event
   process event, loop back
   if there is no event, exit
}

Obviously, if the event rate is more than 100 Hz (repetition rate less than 10 ms),
the 10 ms wait will always return an event and we will never exit this loop.

So the mfe.c main loop is now stuck here and will not process any periodic activity
such as updating the equipment statistics (event counters on the midas status page)
or running periodic equipments in the same front end program.

The crash at the end of run will be caused by a timeout in responding to the "end of run" RPC call.

I have a patch in testing that solves this problem by restoring receive_trigger_event() to the original configuration, i.e. 
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/src/6899b96a4f8177d4af92035cd84aadf5a7cbc875/src/mfe.c?at=develop

K.O.

For my reference:
good version: https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/src/6899b96a4f8177d4af92035cd84aadf5a7cbc875/src/mfe.c?at=develop
first breakage: https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/src/c60259d9a244bdcd296a8c5c6ab0b91de27f9905/src/mfe.c?at=develop
second breakage: https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/src/45984c35b4f7257f90515f29116dec6fb46f2ebc/src/mfe.c?at=develop

The "first breakage" may actually be okey, because there the badnik loop loops over ring buffers, not infinite. But I cannot test it anymore.
K.O.

You are absolutely correct, the code is certainly wrong. It looks to me like the 

while (rbh)

was put in there for some testing, and I forgot to remove it. The only thing I could imagine is that we want to have a while loop there for performance reason. Like

readout_start = ss_millitime();
while (ss_millitime - readout_start < (DWORD) eq_info->period) {
  read event
  return 0 if no event found
}

You find this code also in the check_polled_events() routine. It ensures that the routine does not return after every single event, but after the period defined in the 
equipment (which is usually 100 ms for polled events). This way the code is more efficiently, since we do not check for RPC calls between every event, but just 10 times 
per second. This way you can shovel more events through the system, while still being responsive to run stops.

I don't have any hardware right now to test this, so please put my code above into the routine and commit it if it works.

I notice also a difference in both codes concerning the read buffer handles. The old code uses rbh2, while the new (wrong) code uses rbh. In your case probably both 
handles are the same, so it works, but in other experiments, which might use several ring buffers, it will fail. So please use rbh instead rbh2.

Let me know if it works for you, and if you see any difference in speed between the versions with and without the while loop (actually you will see this only if your trigger 
rate maxes out the DAQ).

Cheers,
Stefan

Please disregard my previous posting, you don't need the while loop, since it's already in the scheduler (around lines 2160 under /*---- send interrupt events ----*/). 

But now I remember the rationale behind it. The loop over the rb[i] is because in MEG I have n calibration threads, each one running on a separate CPU core. So the receive_trigger_event() routine has to collect events from all the 
threads, each of them having one ring buffer. In the process of implementing EQ_USER, I changed this somehow, and apparently broke the code by making the while() loop looping forever if the event rate is over 100 Hz.

So for the moment please remove the while loop completely, and I will worry later of putting it back correctly when MEG will start again next year.

/Stefan

> while (1)
>    wait 10 ms for an event
>    process event, loop back
>    if there is no event, exit
> }


This code has been rewritten now and should work for event rates >100 Hz.

/Stefan

If you use EQ_USER in mfe.c and have multiple threads writing into the ring buffer, you will have a big 
problem - the thread locking in the ring buffer code only works for a single writer thread and a single 
reader thread.

Presently, it is not clear how to have multiple multithreaded equipments inside one frontend.

During the Summer of 2013 code briefly existed in mfe.c to have an array of ring buffers and each 
multithreaded equipment could write into it's own buffer.

But this code is now removed and mfe.c can only read from a single ring buffer and as I noted above, ring 
buffer locking requires that only a single thread writes into it.
K.O.

Sure, each thread needs its own ring buffer for writing.

So I see that we need back the multiple-ring-buffer-readout-scheme even before MEG will start. So what you need is something like

for (i=0 ; rb[i] != 0 ; i++) {
  read event from rb[i];
}

as it was before. What I do not like is that rb is a global variable, we should better use the encapsulation functions and extend get_event_rb() to 
get_event_rb(i) so you can have n ring buffers.

Give me one day, I will extend the current code to make it work again and to implement N threads.

Cheers,
Stefan

I restructured the front-end code to enable multiple readout threads for EQ_USER equipment. Last summer I was definitively interrupted during 
that work and left it in an half finished state, sorry for that.

The way it works now is illustrated in mtfe.c. You create N ring buffers and N threads via

   for (int i=0 ; i<N ; i++) {
      create_event_rb(i);
      ss_thread_create(trigger_thread, (void*)(PTYPE)i);
   }

then each readout thread accesses its own readout buffer

thread(...)
{
   index = (int)(PTYPE)param;
   signal_readout_thread_active(index, TRUE);
   rbh = get_event_rbh(index);
   
   while (is_readout_thread_enabled()) {
      ... read event and put it into ring buffer ...
   }

   signal_readout_thread_active(index, FALSE);
}

The is_readout_thread_enabled() and signal_readout_thread_active() are used by the framework to shut down gracefully threads correct at the end 
of the program. This way each thread can close any hardware correctly.

Note that no other thread management is done by the framework. In the old days with interrupt equipment, the framework disabled interrupts 
when reading out periodic events, since that was necessary when using a single CAMAC crate for ADCs and scalers. This is obsolete now and not 
needed any longer. It is now the responsibility of the user code to resolve hardware access conflicts between different threads (like using a local 
mutex to access the same hardware). There is also no "readout when running" handling. If events should not be read out when the run is stopped, 
the readout thread has to check to run status, or better the EOR routine should disable the hardware trigger and the BOR routine should re-enable 
it. The readout threads will then poll for new events and just go to sleep if nothing is there.

I testes the mtfe.c program with 100 Hz and 1 MHz event rate on a dummy experiment (no hardware access) and it worked without problem.

Let me know if there is any issue left over.

/Stefan 

Hello all, 

as discussed in the thread about Interrupt triggered readout
(https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/1016) I send you out driver for the CAEN
V1742 modules.

The code is separated into two different parts, first the real midas driver
(attachment 1).
Here the non trivial part is reading the modules internal flash pages to get to
correction patterns for the DRS4 chips, this is not documented in the manual.

The functions to apply the correction patters to the data is in the second
archive (attachment 2). I have to say this is C++ code as we use this with rootana.

The driver including the signal correction was used for data taking in 2012 with
4 synchronized V1742 modules for Antihydrogen experiment by the ASACUSA
collaboration at cern. We'll use it gain this year.

I hope the archives contain all necessary information, some parts were
distributed in various files..

Cheers,
Clemens

EDIT: the driver is based on the v1740 driver

Hello all,

As an addition to the driver functions I uploaded in this thread I would also have a
C++ class that handles everything for the V1742 modules and can be directly used
integrated into a C++ frontend. 

I would like to ask if you have policy for user supplied code like this? It's not a low
level driver but a frontend module that reads and controls the module, creates odb
hotlinks and handles the bank creating and storing of the data.

Best regards,
Clemens

EDIT: the question is, do you like to have  codes like this collected somewhere for
example this forum or would you prefer if I would post a link to some online repository =

We have tested operation of MIDAS using a 10GigE network connection. Using a dummy frontend 
generating fake data, we can record MIDAS data to disk at at least 700 Mbytes/sec as reported by 
the MIDAS status page.

Two configurations were tested, both run at at least 700Mbytes/sec sustained:

1) MIDAS mhttpd, mserver, mlogger running on the disk server machine (mlogger writes to local 
disk), frontend running on remote machine (10GigE mserver connection).
2) MIDAS mhttpd, mserver, mlogger, frontend running on remote machine (mlogger writes data to 
an NFS-mounted disk over a 10GigE connection).

In addition, for configuration (2), I simulated online analysis reading fresh midas files at the same 
time as MIDAS writes new data. The resulting observation is that Linux seems to be giving main 
priority to disk write traffic (700 Mbytes/sec) with the remaining disk bandwidth given to read traffic 
(50-100Mbytes/sec). In other words, when running online data analysis on fresh data files, mlogger 
continues to run at full speed (analysis does not slow down data taking).

A few problems with MIDAS were observed during this test:

a) mlogger data compression using gzip-1 has to be turned off (limits data rate to about 
200Mbytes/sec). We plan to implement high speed LZO/LZ4 data compression that we expect to 
keep up with a 10GigE network interface.
b) CPU use by mserver and mlogger is rather high (about 40% CPU)
c) when writing to the NFS disk, mlogger has a pause of 1-2 seconds when closing and reopening 
subrun data files. To avoid a interruption in data taking, the SYSTEM event buffer has to be big 
enough to ride through this pause, but stock MIDAS limits the maximum size of event buffer to 1GB 
(too small), this can be easily increased to 2GB (almost big enough) and with some more work it can 
be increased to 4GB, but no more because the buffer length is a 32-bit integer.
d) when writing to the NFS disk, we also see periodic 3-5 second interruptions ("write operation took 
5123 ms") and we had one death of mlogger by a timeout of 60 sec.

Details of the hardware:

1) the disk server machine CPU is 3.4GHz Intel i7-4770, mobo is ASUS Z87 WS (10 SATA, 2xGigE), 
RAM is 32GB DDR3-1600.
2) disk array is 8x4TB Seagate ST4000VN000-1H4168 NAS disks RAID0 (striped) configuration, raw 
data read/write rate is around 1 GByte/sec, disks are directly attached to mobo (no raid card), linux 
software raid.
3) the frontend machine CPU is 3.7GHz Intel i7-4820, mobo is ASUS P9X79 WS, RAM is 32GB DDR3-
1600.
4) 10GigE network is Solarflare Communications SFC9120 (both machines) with a cross-over fiber 
cable (direct connection,no switches)
5) OS is up-to-date SL6.5 (both machines)

K.O.

> We have tested operation of MIDAS using a 10GigE network connection. Using a dummy frontend 
> generating fake data, we can record MIDAS data to disk at at least 700 Mbytes/sec as reported by 
> the MIDAS status page.
>
> Details of the hardware:
> 
> 1) the disk server machine CPU is 3.4GHz Intel i7-4770, mobo is ASUS Z87 WS (10 SATA, 2xGigE), 
> RAM is 32GB DDR3-1600.
> 2) disk array is 8x4TB Seagate ST4000VN000-1H4168 NAS disks RAID0 (striped) configuration, raw 
> data read/write rate is around 1 GByte/sec, disks are directly attached to mobo (no raid card), linux 
> software raid.
>

These tests were done using a raid0 array (striped), which is not suitable for production use.

For production use, RAID5 and RAID6 is recommended. But their default configuration has severely reduced performance (50% of 
RAID0) this is because internally the raid driver issues disk read operations that compete against and severely slow down the disk write 
requests. This is easy to see with "iostat -x 1" - when writing to the raid array, there should be no reads from the disks. Following 
changes are required to achieve maximum performance:

echo 32000 > /sys/block/md6/md/stripe_cache_size # increase internal memory buffers - because "raid write" is always "read-
modify-write", bigger buffers ensure that the reads are done from cache, not from phsyical disk
mdadm --grow --bitmap=/md6bitmap /dev/md6 # use external bitmap - if bitmap is internal, there is a large number of disk reads 
competing against writes. external bitmap seems to help quite a bit.

With these settings, my RAID6 array can read and write at about 700-900 Mbytes/sec - this is comparable to RAID0 (minus 2 disks).

With this, I repeated the MIDAS performance tests - (but without 10GigE) - MIDAS can write 700 Mbytes/sec of fake data to a local 
RAID6 data array. (hardware configuration is listed above).

K.O.

Hello,

we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
their driver with interrupts.

Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?

Best regards,
Clemens Sauerzopf

> Hello,
> 
> we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
> driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
> just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
> just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
> their driver with interrupts.
> 
> Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
> the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?
> 
> Best regards,
> Clemens Sauerzopf

Hi Clemens,

We did have interrupt handling at some point under VxWorks and later with Linux, but it 
has always been a challenge.
As you may have found, the current frontend (mfe.c) still has some code to that purpose. 
But I wouldn't guarantee that recent development related to multi-threading didn't 
affect the expected interrupt operation (not been tested).

Now-a-days, I would suggest that you encapsulate your interrupt handling function based 
on the provided software into a independent thread started by a standard midas frontend. 
While the main frontend task could operate a periodic equipment as you've done so far, a 
polling equipment would poll on the data availability from the ring buffer. The readout 
function would compose the appropriate data bank.

This method has the advantage to decouple all the interrupt timing/restriction related 
issues from midas and run a conventional frontend. The ring buffer functions are part of 
midas (rb_...()).
Example for multi-threading can be found in examples/mtfe which include the use of the 
ring buffer as well.

Cheers, PAA

Hi Pierre-Andre,

thanks for your comments. If I understand you correctly you are advising to separate the
triggering based on the interrupt signal and the actual data readout. In principal wouldn't
it be also possible to facilitate the multi-threading equipment type to poll the trigger
signal? Then veto new triggers and start the readout of the different detector modules by a
"manual trigger" ?

I'll check the example you've recommended to compare the different solutions.

By the way I've written a driver for the CAEN V1742 VME module, it's working but the code is
currently not in a "nice" state. but if you are interested I could provide the driver code.

Cheers,
Clemens

> > Hello,
> > 
> > we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
> > driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
> > just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
> > just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
> > their driver with interrupts.
> > 
> > Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
> > the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Clemens Sauerzopf
> 
> Hi Clemens,
> 
> We did have interrupt handling at some point under VxWorks and later with Linux, but it 
> has always been a challenge.
> As you may have found, the current frontend (mfe.c) still has some code to that purpose. 
> But I wouldn't guarantee that recent development related to multi-threading didn't 
> affect the expected interrupt operation (not been tested).
> 
> Now-a-days, I would suggest that you encapsulate your interrupt handling function based 
> on the provided software into a independent thread started by a standard midas frontend. 
> While the main frontend task could operate a periodic equipment as you've done so far, a 
> polling equipment would poll on the data availability from the ring buffer. The readout 
> function would compose the appropriate data bank.
> 
> This method has the advantage to decouple all the interrupt timing/restriction related 
> issues from midas and run a conventional frontend. The ring buffer functions are part of 
> midas (rb_...()).
> Example for multi-threading can be found in examples/mtfe which include the use of the 
> ring buffer as well.
> 
> Cheers, PAA

Hello Clemens,

The hardware readout is triggered by the interrupt within this thread. The main thread poll on  
the data availability (from the rb) to filter/compose the frontend event.
In a similar multi-threaded implementation presently used in a dark matter experiment we start 
as many thread as necessary to constantly poll on the hardware for "data fragment" collection.
The event composition is done in the main thread through polling on the RBs.

Depending on the trigger rate and readout time, we can afford to analyze the data fragment at 
the thread level and add computed/summary information to the ring buffer on a event-by-event 
basis. This facilitate the overall event filtering happening later on in our event builder. 

"polling the trigger signal?", I don't understand. You can poll on the trigger condition but 
then you don't need interrupt.

The original Midas interrupt implementation was to let the interrupt function set a acknowledge 
flag which is picked up by the standard midas polling function (user code) for triggering the 
readout. This method ensure a minimal time spent in the IRQ and works fine for a single thread.

In regards of the CAEN V1742, we do have a VME driver for it, but it hasn't been added to the 
Midas yet (quite recent), but please don't hesitate to send us a copy.

Cheers, PAA

 

> Hi Pierre-Andre,
> 
> thanks for your comments. If I understand you correctly you are advising to separate the
> triggering based on the interrupt signal and the actual data readout. In principal wouldn't
> it be also possible to facilitate the multi-threading equipment type to poll the trigger
> signal? Then veto new triggers and start the readout of the different detector modules by a
> "manual trigger" ?
> 
> I'll check the example you've recommended to compare the different solutions.
> 
> By the way I've written a driver for the CAEN V1742 VME module, it's working but the code is
> currently not in a "nice" state. but if you are interested I could provide the driver code.
> 
> Cheers,
> Clemens
> 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > we are using the Struck SIS 3100 VME interface for our experiment, but the midas
> > > driver doesn't have interrupt control integrated. Previously we were happy with
> > > just periodic readout, but our requirements have changed so I thought I could
> > > just implement this as there is a demo program provided by Struck on how to use
> > > their driver with interrupts.
> > > 
> > > Could you recommend an existing midas driver that has a good implementation of
> > > the midas interrupt functions (mvme_interrupt_*) just for me too use as a guideline?
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Clemens Sauerzopf
> > 
> > Hi Clemens,
> > 
> > We did have interrupt handling at some point under VxWorks and later with Linux, but it 
> > has always been a challenge.
> > As you may have found, the current frontend (mfe.c) still has some code to that purpose. 
> > But I wouldn't guarantee that recent development related to multi-threading didn't 
> > affect the expected interrupt operation (not been tested).
> > 
> > Now-a-days, I would suggest that you encapsulate your interrupt handling function based 
> > on the provided software into a independent thread started by a standard midas frontend. 
> > While the main frontend task could operate a periodic equipment as you've done so far, a 
> > polling equipment would poll on the data availability from the ring buffer. The readout 
> > function would compose the appropriate data bank.
> > 
> > This method has the advantage to decouple all the interrupt timing/restriction related 
> > issues from midas and run a conventional frontend. The ring buffer functions are part of 
> > midas (rb_...()).
> > Example for multi-threading can be found in examples/mtfe which include the use of the 
> > ring buffer as well.
> > 
> > Cheers, PAA

Hello Pierre-Andre,

thank you for your help with the interrupt handling. To close this case I'll
attach my interrupt
handling code for the SIS 3100 to this post as a reference. Maybe someone wants
to do something
similar in the future. 

I've decide to go for a C++ frontend therefore it is a class that handles
everything. The user only
has to provide a function pointer to the constructor that handles the interrupt
bitmask. The
interrupt handling is done with a timedwait within a separate thread. 

Cheers,
Clemens

> Hello Clemens,
> 
> The hardware readout is triggered by the interrupt within this thread. The
main thread poll on  
> the data availability (from the rb) to filter/compose the frontend event.
> In a similar multi-threaded implementation presently used in a dark matter
experiment we start 
> as many thread as necessary to constantly poll on the hardware for "data
fragment" collection.
> The event composition is done in the main thread through polling on the RBs.
> 
> Depending on the trigger rate and readout time, we can afford to analyze the
data fragment at 
> the thread level and add computed/summary information to the ring buffer on a
event-by-event 
> basis. This facilitate the overall event filtering happening later on in our
event builder. 
> 
> "polling the trigger signal?", I don't understand. You can poll on the trigger
condition but 
> then you don't need interrupt.
> 
> The original Midas interrupt implementation was to let the interrupt function
set a acknowledge 
> flag which is picked up by the standard midas polling function (user code) for
triggering the 
> readout. This method ensure a minimal time spent in the IRQ and works fine for
a single thread.
> 
> In regards of the CAEN V1742, we do have a VME driver for it, but it hasn't
been added to the 
> Midas yet (quite recent), but please don't hesitate to send us a copy.
> 
> Cheers, PAA
> 

mhist -s 140705 -p 140707 -e "HV".

diff --git a/utils/mhist.cxx b/utils/mhist.cxx
index 930de3b..10cc6ad 100755
--- a/utils/mhist.cxx
+++ b/utils/mhist.cxx
@@ -652,7 +652,6 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
             else if (strncmp(argv[i], "-s", 2) == 0) {
                strcpy(start_name, argv[++i]);
                start_time = convert_time(argv[i]);
-               do_hst_file = true;
             } else if (strncmp(argv[i], "-p", 2) == 0)
                end_time = convert_time(argv[++i]);
             else if (strncmp(argv[i], "-t", 2) == 0)

Hello,
Our experiment based on MIDAS 2.x DAQ.
I'm using several identical frontend-%d  with only lam source & event id changed, 
running on 2 computers(~3frontends per one).
Each recieve about 10k Events (Max_SIZE =8*1024, but usually it is less then 
sizeof(DWORD)*400) per 7sec.
With no mlogger running it works just fine, but when I'm starting mlogger (on 3-d 
computer with mserver running)... looking at ethernet stat graph first 2-3 spills 
goes well, with one peak per 7 sec, then it becomes junky and everithing crushed 
(mlogger and frontends).
I tried to increase SYSTEM buffer and restart everything. What I saw was Logger 
writes only half of recieved events from sum of frontends, it stays running for 
awhile ~15minutes. If I push STOP button  before crashing, mlogger continious 
writing data on disk enough priod of time.
I will try to look at disk usage for bad sectors @HDD, but may be there is an easy 
way to fix this problem and i did something wrong. 
structure of frontend has code like
EQ_POLLED , POLL for 500,

frontend_loop{
read big buffer with 10k events;bufferread=true;
}

poll_event{
for (i=0;i<count;i++){
 if (bufferread) lam=1;
 if (!test) return lam;
 }
return 0;
}

read_trigger{
bk_init32();
//fill event with buffer until current word!=0xffffffff
if (currentposition+2 >buffer_size) bufferread=false
}
|
Help needed, please. Suggestions.
Thanks, Alexey.

Hello, once again.
What I found is when I tryed to stop the run, mlogger still working and writing some 
data, that i'm sure is not right, because frontend's are in stopped state
( for ex. every 3*frontend got 50k, mlogger showes 120k . Stop button pushed, but data 
in .mid file collect more then 150k~300k ev)
. And it continue writing until it crashes by the default waiting period 10s.

Hello, 
I'm in deppression.
I removed Everything from computer with mserver and reinstall system and midas.
Then I tried to run tutorial example.
Often run did not stop by pushing STOP button (mlogger stuck it, odbedit stop 
works)
After first START button pushed number of event taken by frontend equals mlogger 
events 
written. Next run (without mlogger restarting) mlogger double the number of 
events taken by 
frontend.(see attachment).Restarting mlogger fix this double counting.
What i've did wrong?

I have a possibly simple feature request for the MIDAS sequencer.  It would be
helpful to be able to save an ODB key's value to a variable, for later use, and
would be the analogue of the ODBSET command.  I had in mind an application where
a user wants to temporarily change some settings in the ODB, then restore the
ODB to its original values.  Maybe something like on ODBRead command:

<ODBRead path="/Path/ODBkey">varname</ODBRead>
<ODBSet path="/Path/ODBkey">0</ODBRead> 
<Wait for="events">3000</Wait>
<ODBSet path="/Path/ODBkey">$varname</ODBRead> 

(In which the key's value is saved to variable varname, then later written back
to the ODB.)

I'm open to other suggestions for simple ways to do this through the sequencer.

Thanks! 

> I have a possibly simple feature request for the MIDAS sequencer.  It would be
> helpful to be able to save an ODB key's value to a variable, for later use, and
> would be the analogue of the ODBSET command.  I had in mind an application where
> a user wants to temporarily change some settings in the ODB, then restore the
> ODB to its original values.  Maybe something like on ODBRead command:

I implemented your request, committed the changed to GIT and updated the documentation. Now you can run 
things like:

ODBSET /System/tmp/test 1234 
ODBGET /System/tmp/test v 
MESSAGE $v 

(first you must create the key in the ODB manually).

Best regards,
Stefan

Thanks, this seems very helpful, and we'll give it a try.

> > I have a possibly simple feature request for the MIDAS sequencer.  It would be
> > helpful to be able to save an ODB key's value to a variable, for later use, and
> > would be the analogue of the ODBSET command.  I had in mind an application where
> > a user wants to temporarily change some settings in the ODB, then restore the
> > ODB to its original values.  Maybe something like on ODBRead command:
> 
> I implemented your request, committed the changed to GIT and updated the documentation. Now you can run 
> things like:
> 
> ODBSET /System/tmp/test 1234 
> ODBGET /System/tmp/test v 
> MESSAGE $v 
> 
> (first you must create the key in the ODB manually).
> 
> Best regards,
> Stefan

We use the "Edit-on-start" and it's great.  But sometimes, something breaks
during the run, or you didn't realize you forgot to plug in a cable, or
whatever.  It'd be nice to have an "Edit-on-end" where you could prompt the user
to answer simple questions (like "Was this a good run?  [y/n]" or "Was the data
polarized?  [y/n]") and/or add a quick summary of what happened that run.


Thanks in advance,

Dan

We have similar demands, and we solve it in the following:

We use a run database. In the simplest case, this can be a text file which gets written at the end of the file. The 
mlogger has a built in SQL interface, so one can keep that table even inside a SQL interface. The per-run-
information then contains the run number, start/stop time, number of events, some run parameters and a "junk" 
flag. So if a run has a problem, one can set the junk flag by accessing the database (or text file) and setting this 
flag. In many cases you see that a run had a problem not at the end of the run, but a bit later. You mayby realize 
that the last two or three runs had the problem. With the run database approach, you can flag any run as "junk" 
later, which we need often, An edit-on-end would not make this possible.

So technically putting and edit-on-end is not a problem, but your life might be much easier if you use a run 
database as outlined above.

Best regards,
Stefan

Hi,

I am having some trouble with the data in my Midas bank. I am filling a midas
bank in my frontend (one of several in my system), and this bank is then being
added to the overall event by the event builder.

I check the data as it enters the bank, and also check again after I close the
bank in my frontend (using pdata's original value), and in both cases my data is
as I expect.

However, when I view the data in the .mid file (using mdump), there is a
problem. The correct number of words are there, and the values are correct up
until the 148th word. However, all subsequent words are 0.

I have also noticed that if I change my word size from 32bit (DWORD) to 16bit
(WORD), I observe the same behaviour except that now the first 296 words are
correct and all others are zero.

Note that other frontends in the system are not suffering this issue.

Does anyone have any ideas about how to solve this problem?

I am having some trouble creating a frontend that interacts with some libraries that use C++11. 

The flag I added to my MIDAS Makefile to get the C++11 part of the code to work is -std=c++0x. This 
causes an error in the equipment description in the frontend code.

The error I get is:

frontend.cpp:149: error: narrowing conversion of ‘-0x00000000000000001’ from ‘int’ to ‘WORD’ inside { 
}

This corresponds to the following in the MIDAS frontend code.

EQUIPMENT equipment[] = { 
  {
   "MWPC",                           /* equipment name */
   {1, TRIGGER_ALL,                  /* event ID, trigger mask */
     "BUF2",                        /* event buffer */
     EQ_POLLED | EQ_EB,              /* equipment type */
     LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFF),        /* event source crate 0, all stations */
     "MIDAS",                        /* format */
     TRUE,                           /* enabled */
     RO_RUNNING,                     /* read only when running */
     1,                              /* poll for 1ms */
     0,                              /* stop run after this event limit */
     0,                              /* number of sub events */
     0,                              /* don't log history */
     "", "", "",},
    read_trigger_event,              /* readout routine */
  },

   {""}
};  <- this is line 149
#ifdef __cplusplus
}
#endif

Do you know a way to make this compatible with C++11?

Thanks!

> I am having some trouble creating a frontend that interacts with some libraries that use C++11. 
> 
> The flag I added to my MIDAS Makefile to get the C++11 part of the code to work is -std=c++0x. This 
> causes an error in the equipment description in the frontend code.
> 
> The error I get is:
> 
> frontend.cpp:149: error: narrowing conversion of ‘-0x00000000000000001’ from ‘int’ to ‘WORD’ inside { 
> }
> 
> This corresponds to the following in the MIDAS frontend code.
> 
> EQUIPMENT equipment[] = { 
>   {
>    "MWPC",                           /* equipment name */
>    {1, TRIGGER_ALL,                  /* event ID, trigger mask */
>      "BUF2",                        /* event buffer */
>      EQ_POLLED | EQ_EB,              /* equipment type */
>      LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFF),        /* event source crate 0, all stations */
>      "MIDAS",                        /* format */
>      TRUE,                           /* enabled */
>      RO_RUNNING,                     /* read only when running */
>      1,                              /* poll for 1ms */
>      0,                              /* stop run after this event limit */
>      0,                              /* number of sub events */
>      0,                              /* don't log history */
>      "", "", "",},
>     read_trigger_event,              /* readout routine */
>   },
> 
>    {""}
> };  <- this is line 149
> #ifdef __cplusplus
> }
> #endif
> 
> Do you know a way to make this compatible with C++11?
> 
> Thanks!

Is this maybe related to the LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFFFF) where 0xFFFFFFFF is -1. I guess you are not using CAMAC, so just replace the 
LAM_SOURCE(...) with zero and try again.

/Stefan

> > I am having some trouble creating a frontend that interacts with some libraries that use C++11. 
> > 
> > The flag I added to my MIDAS Makefile to get the C++11 part of the code to work is -std=c++0x. This 
> > causes an error in the equipment description in the frontend code.
> > 
> > The error I get is:
> > 
> > frontend.cpp:149: error: narrowing conversion of ‘-0x00000000000000001’ from ‘int’ to ‘WORD’ inside { 
> > }
> > 
> > This corresponds to the following in the MIDAS frontend code.
> > 
> > EQUIPMENT equipment[] = { 
> >   {
> >    "MWPC",                           /* equipment name */
> >    {1, TRIGGER_ALL,                  /* event ID, trigger mask */
> >      "BUF2",                        /* event buffer */
> >      EQ_POLLED | EQ_EB,              /* equipment type */
> >      LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFF),        /* event source crate 0, all stations */
> >      "MIDAS",                        /* format */
> >      TRUE,                           /* enabled */
> >      RO_RUNNING,                     /* read only when running */
> >      1,                              /* poll for 1ms */
> >      0,                              /* stop run after this event limit */
> >      0,                              /* number of sub events */
> >      0,                              /* don't log history */
> >      "", "", "",},
> >     read_trigger_event,              /* readout routine */
> >   },
> > 
> >    {""}
> > };  <- this is line 149
> > #ifdef __cplusplus
> > }
> > #endif
> > 
> > Do you know a way to make this compatible with C++11?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Is this maybe related to the LAM_SOURCE(0, 0xFFFFFFFF) where 0xFFFFFFFF is -1. I guess you are not using CAMAC, so just replace the 
> LAM_SOURCE(...) with zero and try again.
> 
> /Stefan

Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it is instead the TRIGGER_ALL that is causing the problem. TRIGGER_ALL is defined as -1 in midas.h. If I replace TRIGGER_ALL with 0 in the 
frontend, it compiles, but if I use -1, I get the same error. I do not think that I want my trigger mask set to 0. Do you have a suggestion of how to get around this?

To answer the other questions, we are running on SLF6. I am building a frontend for a MWPC to read data from CAEN TDCs.

> Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it is instead the TRIGGER_ALL that is causing the problem. TRIGGER_ALL is defined as -1 in midas.h. If I replace TRIGGER_ALL with 0 in the 
> frontend, it compiles, but if I use -1, I get the same error. I do not think that I want my trigger mask set to 0. Do you have a suggestion of how to get around this?

Ok, then it's clear. The trigger mask inside the EQUIPMENT_INFO is defined as 16-bit unsigned int (WORD). So the -1 gets expanded into a 64-bit signed int, then the compiler complains about truncating this to 16-bit. 

Just try instead TRIGGER_ALL to write

(WORD)(-1)

or even

0xFFFF

that should do the job. Basically you want all 16 bits to be "1" if yo do not use this feature.

Best regards,
Stefan

Dear guys,

I’m Zhi Li from China, and I’m now working on my graduation project, which now
basically gets stuck in the part of preparing the frontend for my FADC (CAEN
VX1721) using Midas.

Now the current set-up includes a VME crate, a CAEN v2718 (Optical Bridge and
Controller) and a CAEN VX1721(8ch 8bit 500MS/s Waveform digitizer). The hardware
set-up has been finished and I could capture the analog waveform using CAEN
software(wavedump). 

Could anyone please tell me what are the basic things to do for using MIDAS?
I’ve installed MIDAS in PC and it works well for CAMAC, but do I need any extra
hardware module on using VME crate? Also, how to download
Universe-II VME driver?

Thanks,
Li

Hi Li,

You mention that you've got the wavedump working. It suggests that you have a A3818 
interface, can you confirm that?

If so, you can make a Midas frontend using the CAEN libraries to access your VX1721. I can provide you with a frontend example used for the V1720 or V1740. The 
modifications for the VX1721 shouldn't be too hard as most of the CAEN digitizers 
are fortunately based on a similar configuration mechanism.
If you have a Midas CAMAC frontend, the trick would be to replace the CAMAC calls by 
the appropriate CAENComm_xxx() for the equivalent functionality.

Can you remind me what hardware do you have in your lab for acquisition?
CAMAC controller, VME controller etc.

Cheers, PAA

> Dear guys,
> 
> I’m Zhi Li from China, and I’m now working on my graduation project, which now
> basically gets stuck in the part of preparing the frontend for my FADC (CAEN
> VX1721) using Midas.
> 
> Now the current set-up includes a VME crate, a CAEN v2718 (Optical Bridge and
> Controller) and a CAEN VX1721(8ch 8bit 500MS/s Waveform digitizer). The hardware
> set-up has been finished and I could capture the analog waveform using CAEN
> software(wavedump). 
> 
> Could anyone please tell me what are the basic things to do for using MIDAS?
> I’ve installed MIDAS in PC and it works well for CAMAC, but do I need any extra
> hardware module on using VME crate? Also, how to download
> Universe-II VME driver?
> 
> Thanks,
> Li

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for your instructions. Before I run the wavedump software, I need to load a driver file for A2818, thus I think I've got this interface of A2818.

I would be grateful to have a look at the frontend example used for v1720 (closer to v1721 I suppose), would you be so kind to offer me the Makefile as well? I
really want to have a compilable/executable DAQ frontend for vme modules, and know better how to link to CAEN library in the Makefile.

About hardware currently used in the vme crate(A2818), there is a VME controller(V2718, CONET VME Bridge), and a FADC(VX1721 waveform digitizer). I'm now preparing
this DAQ system to compare relative quantum efficiency, timing resolution, 1 pe distribution of photomultipliers, also measure decay time of cosmic muons, and
electron spectrum. Humbly, I want to know your opinion on whether I need additional hardware to finish these experiments.

Thanks,
Li

> Hi Li,
> 
> You mention that you've got the wavedump working. It suggests that you have a A3818 
> interface, can you confirm that?
> 
> If so, you can make a Midas frontend using the CAEN libraries to access your VX1721. I can provide you with a frontend example used for the V1720 or V1740. The 
> modifications for the VX1721 shouldn't be too hard as most of the CAEN digitizers 
> are fortunately based on a similar configuration mechanism.
> If you have a Midas CAMAC frontend, the trick would be to replace the CAMAC calls by 
> the appropriate CAENComm_xxx() for the equivalent functionality.
> 
> Can you remind me what hardware do you have in your lab for acquisition?
> CAMAC controller, VME controller etc.
> 
> Cheers, PAA
> 
> > Dear guys,
> > 
> > I’m Zhi Li from China, and I’m now working on my graduation project, which now
> > basically gets stuck in the part of preparing the frontend for my FADC (CAEN
> > VX1721) using Midas.
> > 
> > Now the current set-up includes a VME crate, a CAEN v2718 (Optical Bridge and
> > Controller) and a CAEN VX1721(8ch 8bit 500MS/s Waveform digitizer). The hardware
> > set-up has been finished and I could capture the analog waveform using CAEN
> > software(wavedump). 
> > 
> > Could anyone please tell me what are the basic things to do for using MIDAS?
> > I’ve installed MIDAS in PC and it works well for CAMAC, but do I need any extra
> > hardware module on using VME crate? Also, how to download
> > Universe-II VME driver?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Li

In the old SVN midas world it was typically such that the Windows dll's and
exe's were ready to be used when checking out. I am not so sure this is the case
for the current version, since when I use the packed dll's  and exe's (e.g.
odbedit.exe) I get the warning that this is running midas 2.0.0 but the current
version (on the linux server) is 2.1.

What does this mean?

1) A little bug in the packed windows part, but up-to-date dll's and exe's?
2) The dll's and exe's are not bundled any more to up-to-date version?

If 2) is the case, I would like to get a hint how to build midas under Windows
(Windows 7), since we still have some few Windows clients.  

> In the old SVN midas world it was typically such that the Windows dll's and
> exe's were ready to be used when checking out.

The Windows executables are no longer included in the midas git repository. Old versions are still available in 
the git repository - they got pulled in during conversion from svn.

One reason for removing them is that neither myself, nor Pierre, nor Stefan have ready access to a Windows 
development environment and we cannot keep Windows binaries up to date. Theoretically we can setup a 
Windows machine just for compiling MIDAS, but then there is a question of which Windows we should use and 
how much priority we should put into it. I do not think there is any demand for MIDAS on Windows at TRIUMF.

(Personally, I think Windows is no longer a viable platform for any business use - with Microsoft focusing on 
"experiences", "tiles", touch screens, portable devices, and other gimmicks - rather than on providing a solid OS 
to get work done)

> I am not so sure this is the case
> for the current version, since when I use the packed dll's  and exe's (e.g.
> odbedit.exe) I get the warning that this is running midas 2.0.0 but the current
> version (on the linux server) is 2.1. What does this mean?

You can ignore this message. Stefan incremented the MIDAS version when we migrated to git, but
there are no changes to the MIDAS RPC mechanism and we are still fully compatible with old versions,
at least in the MIDAS RPC and in the mserver.

So tools like odbedit.exe should still work okey when connecting from Windows to MIDAS running on Linux or 
MacOS.

But old frontend programs may cause some trouble because the ODB layout changed somewhat with new things 
added to /eq/xxx/common. Simplest is to try, if it works, it works.

> 1) A little bug in the packed windows part, but up-to-date dll's and exe's?
> 2) The dll's and exe's are not bundled any more to up-to-date version?

Case (2) is the case. Personally I do not have any capability to build Windows binaries. Same for Pierre and I think 
for Stefan.

> If 2) is the case, I would like to get a hint how to build midas under Windows
> (Windows 7), since we still have some few Windows clients.  

I do not think pre-built executables will ever return - the new way of things is to "cut-and-paste" the "git clone" 
command from a web page, type "make", and be done with it. If your OS does not have "git", "make" & etc, you 
should switch to a real OS.

On the MIDAS software side, we have no problem with supporting Windows - same as on any other platform, 
please try to build and run it, report any problems, fixes, patches and improvements - we will commit them into 
the midas repository.

K.O.

> The Windows executables are no longer included in the midas git repository. Old versions are still available in 
> the git repository - they got pulled in during conversion from svn.
> 
> One reason for removing them is that neither myself, nor Pierre, nor Stefan have ready access to a Windows 
> development environment and we cannot keep Windows binaries up to date. Theoretically we can setup a 
> Windows machine just for compiling MIDAS, but then there is a question of which Windows we should use and 
> how much priority we should put into it. I do not think there is any demand for MIDAS on Windows at TRIUMF.

I double checked and can confirm that the executables in GIT are very old. So I tried to compile the current version for Windows. I found that I had to change lots 
of places (basically all the new files written by KO) to make it work again, so it took me half a day, but now should be fine.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to keep .exe files in GIT, maybe we should remove it some day, but for the moment I updated the executables to the current 
version. Feedback welcome.

/Stefan

16:07:06 [Logger,INFO] Program Logger on host lem00 started
[local:nemu:S]/>q
[nemu@lem00 2014]$ odbedit -e nemu
odbedit: src/odb.c:753: db_update_open_record: Assertion `xkey->notify_count == pkey->notify_count' failed.
Aborted

> I stumbled over a problem which I cannot pin point and would appreciate suggestions.
> 
> [nemu@lem00 2014]$ odbedit -e nemu
> odbedit: src/odb.c:753: db_update_open_record: Assertion `xkey->notify_count == pkey-
>notify_count' failed.
> Aborted

I think this is a real bug in MIDAS - I will have to take a look to figure out where this is coming from. At the 
least, if I cannot replace the assert with some corrective action, I may replace it with an error message.

I am glad you could recover by reloading odb.

K.O.

The midas wiki at https://midas.triumf.ca was updated to mediawiki 1.22.4 - the latest production version. 
If you see any problems, please report them to this elog. K.O.

1. If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd. Wouldn't it be beneficial to have ODB entries where to get is from? This way people could change the look and feel more freely.
   
2. Especially the look and feel of the runlog is unsatisfactorily from my point of view. See . The old style was much more readable. I could recover the old style look and feel by slightly changing the mhttpd.cxx where I changed in show_rawfile(const char*) "dialogTable" to "runlogTable" in the table class. This way I could tinker around with the mhttpd.css by adding the following stuff there:
   
   • adding .runlogTable in line 289 :
     
   • adding some style information for the runlogTable :
     

> If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd.

mhttpd.css is served from $MIDASSYS/resources/mhttpd.css. The actual path is reported on the mhttpd 
"help" page.

(I think the internal mhttpd.css and mhttpd.js should be removed as no longer useful - nothing will work 
right if the real mhttpd.js and mhttpd.css cannot be served).

> Especially the look and feel of the runlog is unsatisfactorily from my point of view.

persons in charge of implementing the CSS stuff failed to convert quite a few pages, for example, the elog 
and the history editor pages were left completely broken. (mostly fixed now).

so thank you for reporting the runlog breakage, I hope Stefan & co can fix it quickly. (I cannot do - I have 
have no runlog pages on any of my test experiments).

> the old style was much more readable.

I think the new style is not too bad, except for a few visual artefacts here and there, the general comment 
that CSS is too complicated and hard to debug and the fact that over-subtle colouring yields inconsistent 
visuals between different monitors and ambient lighting conditions. (persons who select the colours always 
respond that "but to me, it looks just fine on my laptop", making it hard to resolve any issues).

> I could recover the old style look and feel by slightly changing the mhttpd.cxx

If you post the patches that fix it for you, I can commit them to midas. (git diff | mail olchansk@triumf.ca).

K.O.

Understand me right, I mostly like the new style, except the runlog as reported.
Attached you will find the diff's you were asking for. But as pointed out, I
haven't worked so far on CSS and hence this should be checked!!

I understand that the mhttpd.js needs to be the default one, however, mhttpd.css
might be left to the end-user to adopt to their specific needs. I shortly
checked in the mhttpd demon. It checks for the resources path in the ODB. If it
also would check for a CSS name, mhttpd.css could be changed/adopted by the
end-users without breaking things (at least it would then be their one business).

> > If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd.
> 
> mhttpd.css is served from $MIDASSYS/resources/mhttpd.css. The actual path is
reported on the mhttpd 
> "help" page.
> 
> (I think the internal mhttpd.css and mhttpd.js should be removed as no longer
useful - nothing will work 
> right if the real mhttpd.js and mhttpd.css cannot be served).
> 
> > Especially the look and feel of the runlog is unsatisfactorily from my point
of view.
> 
> persons in charge of implementing the CSS stuff failed to convert quite a few
pages, for example, the elog 
> and the history editor pages were left completely broken. (mostly fixed now).
> 
> so thank you for reporting the runlog breakage, I hope Stefan & co can fix it
quickly. (I cannot do - I have 
> have no runlog pages on any of my test experiments).
> 
> > the old style was much more readable.
> 
> I think the new style is not too bad, except for a few visual artefacts here
and there, the general comment 
> that CSS is too complicated and hard to debug and the fact that over-subtle
colouring yields inconsistent 
> visuals between different monitors and ambient lighting conditions. (persons
who select the colours always 
> respond that "but to me, it looks just fine on my laptop", making it hard to
resolve any issues).
> 
> > I could recover the old style look and feel by slightly changing the mhttpd.cxx
> 
> If you post the patches that fix it for you, I can commit them to midas. (git
diff | mail olchansk@triumf.ca).
> 
> K.O.

 > If I am not mistaken, the mhttpd.css is hard coded (path/name) into the mhttpd.

I agree that this should be removed, Unfortunately I'm away right now, so I will fix it next week. Also will put in 
Andreas' diffs.

/Stefan

I put mhttpd.css and mhttpd.js into the ODB, so every experiment can change it. I put also Andreas' modifications of the CSS file for the runlog table and 
committed the changes.

/Stefan

I'm looking into using MIDAS for an experiment that creates one large event
(20MB or more) every second.

Q1: It looks like I should use EQ_FRAGMENTED. Has this feature been in use
recently? Is it known to work/not work?

More specifically, the computer should initiate a 1 second data taking, start to
such the data out of the electronics (which may take a while), change some
experimental parameters, and start over. 

Q2: What's the best way to do this? EQ_PERIODIC? 
I cannot guarantee that the time required to read the hardware has an upper bound.
In a standalone-prog I would simply use a big loop and let the machine execute
it as fast as it can: 1.1s, 1.5s, 1.1s, 1.3s, 2.5s, ..... depending on the HW
deadtimes.
Will this work with EQ_PERIODIC?

(Sorry for these maybe stupid questions, but I have so far only used MIDAS for
externally generated events, with <32kB event size).


Thanks a lot,

Randolf

> I'm looking into using MIDAS for an experiment that creates one large event
> (20MB or more) every second.
> 
> Q1: It looks like I should use EQ_FRAGMENTED. Has this feature been in use
> recently? Is it known to work/not work?
> 
> More specifically, the computer should initiate a 1 second data taking, start to
> such the data out of the electronics (which may take a while), change some
> experimental parameters, and start over. 
> 
> Q2: What's the best way to do this? EQ_PERIODIC? 
> I cannot guarantee that the time required to read the hardware has an upper bound.
> In a standalone-prog I would simply use a big loop and let the machine execute
> it as fast as it can: 1.1s, 1.5s, 1.1s, 1.3s, 2.5s, ..... depending on the HW
> deadtimes.
> Will this work with EQ_PERIODIC?
> 
> (Sorry for these maybe stupid questions, but I have so far only used MIDAS for
> externally generated events, with <32kB event size).
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Randolf

Hi Randolf,

EQ_FRAGMENTED is kind of historically, when computers had a few MB of memory and you have to play special tricks to get large data buffers through. Today I 
would just use EQ_PERIODIC and increase the midas maximal event size to your needs. For details look here:

https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Event_Buffer

The front-end scheduler is asynchronous, which means that your readout is called when the given period (1 second) is elapsed. If the readout takes longer 
than 1s, the schedule will (hopefully) call your readout immediately after the event has been sent. So you get automatically your maximal data rate. At MEG, we 
use 2 MB events with 10 Hz, so a 20 MB/sec data rate should not be a problem on decent computers.

Best,
Stefan

> I'm looking into using MIDAS for an experiment that creates one large event
> (20MB or more) every second.

Hi, there - 20 Mbyte event at 1/sec is not so large these days. (Well, depending on your hardware).

Using typical 1-2 year old PC hardware, 20 M/sec to local disk should work right away. Sending data from a 
remote front end (through the mserver), or writing to a remote disk (NFS, etc) - will of course requre a GigE 
network connection.

By default, MIDAS is configured for using about 1-2 Mbyte events, so for your case, you will need to:

- increase the event size limits in your frontend,
- increase /Experiment/MAX_EVENT_SIZE in ODB
- increase the size of the SYSTEM event buffer (/Experiment/Buffer sizes/SYSTEM in ODB)

I generally recommend sizing the SYSTEM event buffer to hold a few seconds worth of data (ot 
accommodate any delays in writing to local disk - competing  reads, internal delays of the disks, etc).

So for 20 M/s, the SYSTEM buffer size should be about 40-60 Mbytes.

For your case, you also want to buffer 3-5-10 events, so the SYSTEM buffer size would be between 100 and 
200 MBytes.

Assuming you have between 8-16-32 GBytes of RAM, this should not be a problem.

One the other hand, if you are running on a low-power ("green") ARM system with 1 Gbyte of RAM and a 
1GHz CPU, you should be able to handle the data rate of 20 Mbytes/sec, as long as your network and 
storage can handle it - I see GigE ethernet running at about 30-40 Mbytes/sec, so you should be okey,
but local storage to SD flash is only about 10 Mbytes/sec - too slow. You can try USB-attached HDD or SSD, 
this should run at up to 30-40 Mbytes/sec. I would expect no problems with this rate from MIDAS, as long 
as you can fit into your 1 GByte of RAM - obviously your SYSTEM buffer will have to be a little smaller than 
on a full-featured PC.

More information on MIDAS event size limits is here (as already reported by Stefan)
https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Event_Buffer

Let us know how it works out for you.

K.O.

Works, and here is how I did it. The attached example is based on the standard MIDAS
example in "src/midas/examples/experiment". 

My somewhat unsorted notes, haven't really tweaked the numbers. But it WORKS.

(1) mlogger writes "last.xml" (hard-coded!) which takes an awful amount of time
    as it writes the complete ODB containing the 10MB bank!
    just outcomment 
       // odb_save("last.xml");
    in mlogger.cxx, function 
    INT tr_start(INT run_number, char *error)
    (line ~3870 in mlogger rev. 5377, .cxx-file included)

(2) frontend.c:
     * the most important declarations are

/* BIG_DATA_BYTES is the data in 1 bank
   BIG_EVENT_SIZE is the event size. It's a bit larger than the bank size
                  because MIDAS needs to add some header bytes, I think
 */

#define BIG_DATA_BYTES  (10*1024*1024)   // 10 MB
#define BIG_EVENT_SIZE  (BIG_DATA_BYTES + 100)

/* maximum event size produced by this frontend */
INT max_event_size = BIG_EVENT_SIZE;

/* maximum event size for fragmented events (EQ_FRAGMENTED) */
INT max_event_size_frag = 5 * BIG_EVENT_SIZE;

/* buffer size to hold 10 events */
INT event_buffer_size = 10 * BIG_EVENT_SIZE;


     * bk_init() can hold at most 32kByte size events! Use bk_init32() instead.

     * complete frontend.c is attached

(3) in an xterm do
    # . setup.sh
    # odbedit -s 41943040
          (first invocation of odbedit must create large enough odb,
           otherwise you'll get "odb full" errors)
(4) odbedit> load big.odb      
    (attached). Essentials are:

    /Experiment/MAX_EVENT_SIZE = 20971520
    /Experiment/Buffer sizes/SYSTEM = 41943040   <- at least 2 events!

    To avoid excessive latecies when starting/stopping a run, do
    /Logger/ODB Dump = no 
    /Logger/Channels/0/Settings/ODB Dump = no 
     
    and create an Equipment Tree to make the mlogger happy

(5) a few more xterms, always ". setup.sh":
    # mlogger_patched (see (1))
    # ./frontend  (attched)

(6) in your odbedit (4) say "start". You should fill your disk rather quickly.

> Works, and here is how I did it. The attached example is based on the standard MIDAS
> example in "src/midas/examples/experiment". 

If you have such huge events, it does not make sense to put them into the ODB. The size needs to be increased (as 
you realized correctly) and the run stop takes long if you write last.xml. So just remove the RO_ODB flag in the 
frontend program and you won't have these problems.

/Stefan

Hi,

I don't know if this actually fits the Bug Report category. I've been trying to install Midas on my Mac OS 
Mavericks and I keep getting errors like "conflicting types for '___builtin____strlcpy_chk' ..." and similarly for 
strlcat. I googled a bit and I think the problem might be that in Mavericks strlcat and strlcpy are already 
defined in string.h, and so there might be a redundant definition somewhere. I'm not sure what the best 
way to fix this would be though. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Andre

> 
> I don't know if this actually fits the Bug Report category. I've been trying to install Midas on my Mac OS 
> Mavericks and I keep getting errors like "conflicting types for '___builtin____strlcpy_chk' ..." and similarly for 
> strlcat. I googled a bit and I think the problem might be that in Mavericks strlcat and strlcpy are already 
> defined in string.h, and so there might be a redundant definition somewhere. I'm not sure what the best 
> way to fix this would be though. Any help would be appreciated.
> 

We have run into this problem - MacOS 10.9 plays funny games with definitions of strlcpy() & co - and it has been fixed since last Summer.

For the record, current MIDAS builds just fine on MacOS 10.9.2.

For a pure test, try the instructions posted at midas.triumf.ca:

cd $HOME
mkdir packages
cd packages
git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas
git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mscb
git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mxml
cd midas
make

K.O.

> > 
> > I don't know if this actually fits the Bug Report category. I've been trying to install Midas on my Mac OS 
> > Mavericks and I keep getting errors like "conflicting types for '___builtin____strlcpy_chk' ..." and similarly for 
> > strlcat. I googled a bit and I think the problem might be that in Mavericks strlcat and strlcpy are already 
> > defined in string.h, and so there might be a redundant definition somewhere. I'm not sure what the best 
> > way to fix this would be though. Any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> 
> We have run into this problem - MacOS 10.9 plays funny games with definitions of strlcpy() & co - and it has been fixed since last Summer.
> 
> For the record, current MIDAS builds just fine on MacOS 10.9.2.
> 
> For a pure test, try the instructions posted at midas.triumf.ca:
> 
> cd $HOME
> mkdir packages
> cd packages
> git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas
> git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mscb
> git clone https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/mxml
> cd midas
> make
> 
> K.O.

Thanks, it works like a charm now! I must have obtained an outdated version of Midas.

Andre

Hi,

I have been trying to use db_check_record() in order to verify that a subtree in the ODB has the correct 
variables, variable order, and overall size. I'm going off the documentation 
(https://midas.psi.ch/htmldoc/group__odbfunctionc.html) and use a string to compare against the ODB 
structure.  Since the string format is not specified for db_check_record(), I'm formatting my string 
according to the db_create_record() example.

Instead of db_check_record() checking the entire ODB subtree against all the variables represented in the 
string, I'm finding that only the first variable is checked.  The later variables in the string can be 
misspelled, out of order, or inexistent, and db_check_record() will still return 1.

Am I using db_check_record incorrectly?  

Thank you for any help with this issue.


I also believe that some of the documentation for db_check_record is outdated.  For example, init_string 
is referenced in the documentation but isn't part of the function definition.

I made a few minor modifications to the ODB JSON encoder and implemented a javascript "ls" function to 
report full ODB directory information as available from odbedit "ls -l" and the mhttpd odb editor page.

Using the new ODBMLs(), the existing ODBMCreate(), ODBMDelete() & etc a complete ODB editor can be 
written in Javascript (or in any other AJAX-capable language).

While implementing this function, I found some problems in the ODB JSON encoder when handling 
symlinks, also some problems with handling symlinks in odbedit and in the mhttpd ODB editor - these are 
now fixed.

Changes to the ODB JSON encoder:
- added the missing information to the ODB KEY (access_mode, notify_count)
- added symlink target information ("link")
- changed encoding of simple variable (i.e. jcopy of /experiment/name) - when possible (i.e. ODB KEY 
information is omitted), they are encoded as bare values (before, they were always encoded as structures 
with variable names, etc). This change makes it possible to implement ODBGet() and ODBMGet() using the 
AJAX jcopy method with JSON data encoding. Bare value encoding in ODBMCopy()/AJAX jcopy is enabled by 
using the "json-nokeys-nolastwritten" encoding option.

All these changes are supposed to be backward compatible (encoding used by ODBMCopy() for simple 
values and "-nokeys-nolastwritten" was previously not documented).

Documentation was updated:
https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Mhttpd.js

K.O.