mhttpd.c svn rev 4823 implements a modified history planel editor. all previous functions should work 
as before (minus new bugs).

New experimental functions added:

a) there is a new column "Order" containing numbers 10, 20, 30, etc. If you change "30" to (say) "15" 
and press "refresh", the history variables will be reordered according to the new values. If you change 
(say) "10" to "" (empty) or "0" and press "refresh", this variable will be deleted. (But there is a UI wart - if 
you accidentally change the order value to something non-numeric (i.e. "aaa1" or " 1" (leading space) 
and press "enter", the variable will be immediately deleted from odb - "enter" works as "refresh + save" 
- should probably work as "refresh" requiring explicit press on the "save" button).

b) there is a new button "List all" to list all existing variables - next to each variable is a checkbox - 
select any checkboxes and press "add selected" to add selected variables to the history plot. You may 
find this function useful (or not), depending on how many variables you have in your history. For 
T2K/ND280 this is still not good enough (there are still too many variables) and I want to change this to 
a 3 level (equipment, history event, history tag) expandable/collapsable tree (or whatever is simplest to 
implement) - to permit the user to quickly zoom on the interesting variables.

I may still tweak with the UI of these new functions, but the basic functionality (reorder+delete and 
selection of multiple variables from a list) seems to be solid. Comments and suggestions on how to 
make it work the best for your experiment are very welcome.

K.O.

> mhttpd.c svn rev 4823 implements a modified history planel editor. all previous functions should work 
> as before (minus new bugs). New experimental functions added:
> 
> a) there is a new column "Order" containing numbers 10, 20, 30, etc. ...

While this seems to work well enough, it might remain a function for "advanced users". For novice
users, a simpler gui, i.e. with "move up" and "move down" buttons, would have been "better", or
at least more familiar. (However I have double plus negative experience using nice
looking "move up and down buttons" to rearrange something I actually need to rearrange,
so I have no interest in implementing something I do not want to use. Think about moving
an item all the way from the bottom of a 10 item list to the very top. No do this not as a mental
exercise, but on a slow loading mhttpd web page running somewhere in Japan).

> b) there is a new button "List all variables" to list all existing variables

Some improvement here (mhttpd.c svn 4823): variables are organized by equipment and by history event
into an expandable list. (I already know that this list expansion does not play well with web page
scrolling, same problem exists in the ODB inline editor).

Again, midas users who have a small number of history events may find this new function
not so useful, but the old way was pretty much unusable for T2K/ND280.

Also, for users with a large number of history events, there 2 new ODB variables
/History/MaxDisplayEvents and /History/MaxDisplayTags which limit the maximum
number of events and tags listed in the old scrollable "option" selector history editor.
For the T2K/ND280 case, this reduces the size of the web page and reduces the page load
time quite substantially. (I picked default values of 20 events and 200 tags quite arbitrary,
perhaps the default should have been "no limit", but then nobody would benefit from this
possibility to substantially reduce web page load times - unless they read documentation (yea, right!)
that is not yet written).

K.O.

Just some idea:

The ultimate solution to that would be to do that completely JavaScript driven. You load ONCE the list of all 
variables into a local array, then sort this into your history panel LOCALLY. When I did the original mhttpd 
history config page, there was not much JavaScript around, but today this would be the ultimate option. It 
even supports drag-and-drop. So let's keep that in mind for the future.

- Stefan

In svn rev 4825, I added host based access control to mserver (the MIDAS RPC server). The implementation 
is a verbatim copy mhttpd host based access control list (-a command line switch).

Same as for mhttpd, "mserver -a hostname" enables access control and only permits access from listed 
host names (supply multiple -a switches for multiple hostnames).

This access control does not apply yet for the MIDAS RPC socket connections between MIDAS clients used 
to do RPC callbacks, i.e. to request run transitions. Each MIDAS program is listening for MIDAS RPC 
connections on a high TCP port and at present accepts connections from anybody. To implement access 
controls one could add "-a" switches to every midas application (lot of work) or fill the access control list 
automatically from ODB. mserver still has to use the "-a" command line switches because there is no ODB 
connection when it has to accept or reject remote sockets.

svn rev 4825
K.O.

As of svn rev 4800, YBOS support was made optional, disabled by default. (But note that ybos.c is still used 
by mdump). See HAVE_YBOS in the Makefile.
K.O.

> As of svn rev 4800, YBOS support was made optional, disabled by default. (But note that ybos.c is still used 
> by mdump). See HAVE_YBOS in the Makefile.


It looks like some example drivers in .../drivers/class want to link against YBOS libraries. This fails because ybos.o is missing from the MIDAS library.

After discussions with SR and PAA, we think YBOS support can be removed or made optional, but there are too many of these drivers for me to fix 
them all right now in five minutes. Please accept my apology and use these workarounds:

If you get linker errors because of missing YBOS functions:

1) enable YBOS suport in the Makefile (uncomment HAVE_YBOS=1), or
2) "#ifdef HAVE_YBOS" all places that call YBOS functions

Solution (2) is preferable as it permits us to eventually remove YBOS completely. If you fix files from MIDAS svn, please do send me patches or diffs (or 
post them here).


K.O.

> It looks like some example drivers in .../drivers/class want to link against YBOS libraries. 
> This fails because ybos.o is missing from the MIDAS library.

I fixed the class drivers in meantime (SVN 4814).

There is however another problem: The lazylogger needs YBOS support compiled in if the FTP transfer mode is used. 
At PSI we are stuck at the moment to FTP, so we still need YBOS there (although none of the data is in YBOS format). 
Maybe there is a chance that this will be fixed some time and we can get rid of YBOS.

As of svn rev 4794, midas builds, runs and should be fully usable on MacOS 10.6.4. Previous revisions did 
not compile due to assorted Linuxisms and did not run because of a sizeof() problem in ss_gettid(). Also 
one of the system header files (mtio.h?) present in MacOS 10.5 vanished from 10.6.

Please continue reporting all problems with midas on macos to this forum.
K.O.

> As of svn rev 4794, midas builds, runs and should be fully usable on MacOS 10.6.4. Previous revisions did 
> not compile due to assorted Linuxisms and did not run because of a sizeof() problem in ss_gettid(). Also 
> one of the system header files (mtio.h?) present in MacOS 10.5 vanished from 10.6.

It turns out that on MacOS 10.6 the default maximum SYSV shared memory size is about 2 Mbytes, too small even for the default MIDAS SYSTEM 
event buffer.

Svn revision 4807 implements POSIX shared memory, which does not seem to have such a small size limit and makes it the default on MacOS.

This update fixes the last issue that I am aware of for running MIDAS on MacOS.

svn rev 4807
K.O.

As of svn rev 4807, src/system.c has an experimental implementation of POSIX shared memory. It is 
similar to the already existing implementation of MMAP shared memory, but uses POSIX shm_open() 
instead of directly mmapping the .xxx.SHM file.

There are several benefits to using POSIX shared memory:
1) on MacOS, the (unchangable?) maximum SYSV shared memory is about 2 Mbytes, too small for most 
MIDAS experiments. POSIX shared memory does not seem to have such a limit;
2) on Linux, when using SYSV shared memory, the .xxx.SHM files are tied to the shared memory keys 
using ftok(). If the .xxx.SHM files are located on an NFS-mounted filesystem, ftok() has been observed 
to malfunction and return the same key for different shared memory buffers, causing mighty confusing 
behaviour of MIDAS. (while "man ftok" discusses a theoretical possibility for such collisions, I have 
observed ftok() collisions first hand on a running experiment and it cost us several hours to understand 
why all the events go into the wrong event buffers). The present POSIX shared memory implementation 
does not have such a problem.

This implementation has received limited testing on Linux and MacOS, and it is now the default shared 
memory implementation on MacOS. Linux continues to use SYSV shared memory (ipcs & co). Windows 
uses it's own implementation of shared memory (same as mmap, the best I can tell).

svn 4807
K.O.

Dear All,

This is my first time running an experiment on separate computers. I followed 
the documentation (https://midas.psi.ch/htmldoc/quickstart.html) to setup the 
files:
/etc/services
/etc/xinetd.d/midas
/etc/ld.so.conf
/etc/exptab

but when I started the frontend program in the front-end computer I got the 
following error (computerB is my back-end): 

[midas.c:8623:rpc_server_connect,ERROR] mserver subprocess could not be started 
(check path)
[mfe.c:2573:mainFE,ERROR] Cannot connect to experiment '' on host 'computerB', 
status 503

In both front-end and back-end computers only a file '.SYSMSG.SHM' was created 
after the attempt. If I start the frontend program somewhere in the back-end 
computer by connecting to 'localhost', seven .SHM files are created in the 
experiment directory together with a .RPC.SHM in the directory where I run the 
frontend program.

Is that I misconfigure something? I cannot find a solution...

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Jimmy

> This is my first time running an experiment on separate computers. I followed 
> the documentation (https://midas.psi.ch/htmldoc/quickstart.html) to setup the 
> files:
> /etc/services
> /etc/xinetd.d/midas


Hi, there. I have not recently run mserver through inetd, and we usually do not do
that at TRIUMF. We do this:

a) on the main computer: start mserver: "mserver -p 7070 -D" (note - use non-default
port - can use different ports for different experiments)
b) on remote computer: "odbedit -h main:7070" ("main" is the hostname of your main
computer). Use same "-h" switch for all other programs, including the frontends.

This works well when all computers are on the same network, but if you have some
midas clients running on private networks you may get into trouble when they try to
connect to each other and fail because network routing is funny.


K.O.

> Hi, there. I have not recently run mserver through inetd, and we usually do not do
> that at TRIUMF. We do this:
> 
> a) on the main computer: start mserver: "mserver -p 7070 -D" (note - use non-default
> port - can use different ports for different experiments)
> b) on remote computer: "odbedit -h main:7070" ("main" is the hostname of your main
> computer). Use same "-h" switch for all other programs, including the frontends.
> 
> This works well when all computers are on the same network, but if you have some
> midas clients running on private networks you may get into trouble when they try to
> connect to each other and fail because network routing is funny.

Hi K.O.,

Thanks for your reply. I have tried your way but I got the same error: 

[midas.c:8623:rpc_server_connect,ERROR] mserver subprocess could not be started 
(check path)

My front-end and back-end computers are on the same network connected by a router. I 
have allowed port 7070 in the firewall and done the port forwarding in the router (for 
connecting from outside the network). From the error message it seems that some 
processes can not be started automatically. Could it be related to some security 
settings such as the SELinux?

Best Regards,
Jimmy

> > Hi, there. I have not recently run mserver through inetd, and we usually do not do
> > that at TRIUMF. We do this:
> > 
> > a) on the main computer: start mserver: "mserver -p 7070 -D" (note - use non-default
> > port - can use different ports for different experiments)
> > b) on remote computer: "odbedit -h main:7070" ("main" is the hostname of your main
> > computer). Use same "-h" switch for all other programs, including the frontends.
> > 
> > This works well when all computers are on the same network, but if you have some
> > midas clients running on private networks you may get into trouble when they try to
> > connect to each other and fail because network routing is funny.
> 
> Hi K.O.,
> 
> Thanks for your reply. I have tried your way but I got the same error: 
> 
> [midas.c:8623:rpc_server_connect,ERROR] mserver subprocess could not be started 
> (check path)
> 
> My front-end and back-end computers are on the same network connected by a router. I 
> have allowed port 7070 in the firewall and done the port forwarding in the router (for 
> connecting from outside the network). From the error message it seems that some 
> processes can not be started automatically. Could it be related to some security 
> settings such as the SELinux?

The way connections work under Midas is there is a callback scheme. The client starts 
mserver on the back-end, then the back-end connects back to the front-end on three 
different ports. These ports are assigned dynamically by the operating system and are 
typically in the range 40000-60000. So you also have to allow the reverse connection on 
your firewalls.

> The way connections work under Midas is there is a callback scheme. The client starts 
> mserver on the back-end, then the back-end connects back to the front-end on three 
> different ports. These ports are assigned dynamically by the operating system and are 
> typically in the range 40000-60000. So you also have to allow the reverse connection on 
> your firewalls.

It works now after allowing ports 40000-60000 in the front-end computer. Thanks!

Best Regards,
Jimmy

> > The way connections work under Midas is there is a callback scheme. The client starts 
> > mserver on the back-end, then the back-end connects back to the front-end on three 
> > different ports. These ports are assigned dynamically by the operating system and are 
> > typically in the range 40000-60000. So you also have to allow the reverse connection on 
> > your firewalls.
> 
> It works now after allowing ports 40000-60000 in the front-end computer. Thanks!


Yes, right. Midas networking does not like firewalls.

In the nutshell, TCP connections on all TCP ports have to be open between all computers
running MIDAS. I think in practice it is not a problem: you only ever have a finite (a small
integer) number of computers running MIDAS and you can be added them as exceptions to the
firewall rules. These exceptions should not create any security problem because you still have
the MIDAS computers firewalled from the outside world and one hopes that they will not be
attacking each other.

P.S. Permitting ports 40000-60000 is not good enough. TCP ports are allocated to TCP
connections semi-randomly from a 16-bit address space (0..65535) and your system will bomb
whenever port numbers like 39999 or 60001 get used.


K.O.

Dear experts,

I use fedora 12 and midas 4680. there is problem to start run when the frontend
application runs fine. 


# odbedit -c start


Starting run #18
[midas.c:8423:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer info: 
[midas.c:3659:cm_transition,ERROR] cannot connect to client
"feTPCPacketReceiver" on host tpcdaq0, port 36663, status 503
[midas.c:8423:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer info: 
[midas.c:4880:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Cannot connect to client 'frontend' on host
'hostname', port 36663
[midas.c:4883:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Killing and Deleting client
'feTPCPacketReceiver' pid 24516
[midas.c:3857:cm_transition,ERROR] Could not start a run: cm_transition() status
503, message 'Cannot connect to client 'frontend''
Run #18 start aborted
Error: Cannot connect to client 'frontend'

11:03:42 [Logger,INFO] Deleting previous file "/home/daq/Run/online/run00018.mid"

11:03:42 [Logger,INFO] Client 'feTPCPacketReceiver' on buffer 'SYSMSG' removed
by cm_watchdog because client pid 24516 does not exist

11:03:42 [Logger,ERROR] [system.c:563:ss_shm_close,ERROR]
shmctl(shmid=7274511,IPC_RMID) failed, errno 1 (Operation not permitted)

11:03:42 [ODBEdit,INFO] Run #18 start aborted
==========================================================================

there are several ethernet cards on the host machine. eth0 connect the host
machine to the gateway machine and the front end application listen to eth1 for
the incoming data packets:

eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx  
          inet addr:10.0.1.1  Bcast:10.0.1.63  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::f6ce:46ff:fe99:709b/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:470870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:515987 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:345000246 (329.0 MiB)  TX bytes:377269124 (359.7 MiB)
          Interrupt:17 

eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx   
          inet addr:10.0.1.2  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::226:55ff:fed6:56a9/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:1836 (1.7 KiB)
          Memory:ec180000-ec1a0000 


thanks for hints

> I use fedora 12 and midas 4680. there is problem to start run when the frontend
> application runs fine. 

I don't know exactly what is wrong, but I would check following things:

- does your feTCPPacketReceiver die during the start-of-run? Maybe you do some segfault 
int he begin-of-run routine. Can you STOP a run?

- is there any network problem due to your two cards? When you try to stop your fe from 
odbedit with

# odbedit -c "shutdown feTCPPacketReceiver"

do you then get the same error? The shutdown functionality uses the same RPC channel as 
the start/stop run. Some people had firewall problems, on both sides (host AND client), 
so make sure all firewalls are disabled.

- if you disable one network card, do you still get the same problem?

> - does your feTCPPacketReceiver die during the start-of-run? Maybe you do some segfault 
> int he begin-of-run routine. Can you STOP a run?
when start a run, it bring the mtransition process and I guess the server try to talk to the
client, then it fails and the frontend application get killed since not response.

>> When you try to stop your fe from 
> odbedit with  # odbedit -c "shutdown feTCPPacketReceiver"

it gets
[midas.c:8423:rpc_client_connect,ERROR] timeout on receive remote computer info: 
[midas.c:4880:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Cannot connect to client
"feTPCPacketReceiver" on host 'tpcdaq0', port 35865
[midas.c:4883:cm_shutdown,ERROR] Killing and Deleting client
'feTPCPacketReceiver' pid 27250
Client feTPCPacketReceiver not active


what does this error mean? :
11:03:42 [Logger,ERROR] [system.c:563:ss_shm_close,ERROR]
shmctl(shmid=7274511,IPC_RMID) failed, errno 1 (Operation not permitted)


thanks
hai

p.s. that code runs fine on my laptop with ubuntu 9, so that also be possible that somewhere
my configuration not right to cause problem

do: svn co svn+ssh://svn@savannah.psi.ch/afs/psi.ch/project/meg/svn/midas/trunk
midas
shows: ssh: connect to host savannah.psi.ch port 22: Connection timed out
svn: Connection closed unexpectedly

> do: svn co svn+ssh://svn@savannah.psi.ch/afs/psi.ch/project/meg/svn/midas/trunk
> midas
> shows: ssh: connect to host savannah.psi.ch port 22: Connection timed out
> svn: Connection closed unexpectedly

sorry, my side network problem.
N.

Dear All,

After clicking the "Start" button, there is a page for the operator to change some 
ODB values. I have created "/Experiment/Edit on start" and added some links there. 
If the link is pointed to a boolean type key, a check box will appear in the 
"Start" page, which is great. But how about if I want to have some radio buttons 
or pull-down menus for the operator to select among different calibration sources 
or running modes?

Thanks,

Jimmy

I want to let the run stop and start periodically. But I looked through the ODB
and didn't find anything may help. I also checked the FAQ online and didn't find
answer either. Who can help me? Thank you.

Hi Exaos,

This may help: https://ladd00.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/645

You need to set the following keys:
/Logger/Run duration
/Logger/Auto restart
/Logger/Auto restart delay

Regards,
Jimmy


> I want to let the run stop and start periodically. But I looked through the ODB
> and didn't find anything may help. I also checked the FAQ online and didn't find
> answer either. Who can help me? Thank you.

The mhttpd program shows some standard buttons in the top row for 
starting/stopping runs, accessing the ODB, Alarms, etc. Since not all experiments 
make use of all buttons, they have been customized. By default mhttpd creates 
following entry in the ODB:

/Experiment/Menu Buttons = Start, ODB, Messages, ELog, Alarms, Programs, History, 
Config, Help

Which is the standard set (except the old CNAF). People can customize this now by 
removing unnecessary buttons or by changing their order. The "Start" entry above 
actually causes the whole set of Start/Stop/Pause/Resume buttons to appear, 
depending on the current run state. 

> The mhttpd program shows some standard buttons in the top row for 
> starting/stopping runs, accessing the ODB, Alarms, etc. Since not all experiments 
> make use of all buttons, they have been customized. By default mhttpd creates 
> following entry in the ODB:
> 
> /Experiment/Menu Buttons = Start, ODB, Messages, ELog, Alarms, Programs, History, 
> Config, Help
> 
> Which is the standard set (except the old CNAF). People can customize this now by 
> removing unnecessary buttons or by changing their order. The "Start" entry above 
> actually causes the whole set of Start/Stop/Pause/Resume buttons to appear, 
> depending on the current run state. 

Upon request the set of Menu Buttons has been extended to

/Experiment/Menu Buttons = Start, Pause, ODB, Messages, ELog, Alarms, Programs, 
History, Config, Help

by adding the additional "Pause" string. Without "Pause" being present in the list of 
menu buttons, the run cannot be paused/resumed, but only started/stopped. This is 
required by some experiments. If "/Experiment/Menu Buttons" is not present in the ODB, 
it gets created with the above default. If it is there from the previous update, the 
"Pause" string might be missing, so it must be added by hand if required. The 
modification is committed as revision #4684.

Notes on the implementation of the MIDAS alarm system.

Alarms are checked inside alarm.c::al_check(). This function is called by
cm_yield() every 10 seconds and by rpc_server_thread(), also every 10 seconds.

For remote midas clients, their al_check() issues an RPC_AL_CHECK RPC call into
the mserver, where rpc_server_dispatch() calls the local al_check().

As result, all alarm checks run inside a process directly attached to the local
midas shared memory (inside a local client or inside an mserver process for a
remote client).

Each and every midas client runs the alarm checks. To prevent race conditions
between different midas clients, access to al_check() is serialized using the
ALARM semaphore.

Inside al_check(), alarms are triggered using al_trigger_alarm(), which in turn
calls al_trigger_class(). Inside al_trigger_class(), the alarm is recorded into
an elog or into midas.log using cm_msg(MTALK).

Special note should be made of the ODB setting "/Alarm/Classes/xxx/System
message interval", which has a surprising effect - after an alarm is recorded
into system messages (using cm_msg(MTALK)), no record is made of any subsequent
alarms until the time interval set by this variable elapses. With default value
of 60 seconds, after one alarm, no more alarms are recorded for 60 seconds.
Also, because all the alarms are checked at the same time, only the first
triggered alarm will be recorded.

As of alarm.c rev 4683, "System message interval" set to 0 ensures that every
alarm is recorded into the midas log file. (In previous revisions, this setting
may still miss some alarms).

There are 3 types of alarms:

1) "program not running" alarms.

These alarms are enabled in ODB by setting "/Programs/ppp/Alarm class". Each
time al_check() runs, every program listed in "/Programs" is tested using
"cm_exist()" and if the program is not running, the time of first failure is
remembered in "/Programs/ppp/First failed".

If the program has not been running for longer than the time set in ODB
"/Programs/ppp/Check interval", an alarm is triggered (if enabled by
"/Programs/ppp/Alarm class" and the program is restarted (if enabled by
"/Programs/ppp/Auto restart").

The "not running" condition is tested every 10 seconds (each time al_check() is
called), but the frequency of "program not running" alarms can be reduced by
increasing the value of "/Alarms/Alarms/ppp/Check interval" (default value 60
seconds). This can be useful if "System message interval" is set to zero.

2) "evaluated" alarms
3) "periodic" alarms

There is nothing surprising in these alarms. Each alarm is checked with a time
period set by "/Alarm/xxx/Check interval". The value of an evaluated alarm is
computed using al_evaluate_condition().

K.O.

Hi,

On a custom web page, can a "filled" area be made to flash (i.e. cycle between 
two colours)? This area would have to update faster than the whole page update.
 
I have a custom page representing a gas system, and the users
want the heaters to flash when they are on, as is done in their EPICS page.

Thanks,
Suzannah 

The custom and alias links in the standard midas status page were shown as HTML 
links so far. If there are many links with names having spaces in their names, 
it's a bit hard to distinguish between them. Therefore, they are packed now into 
individual buttons (see attachment) starting from SVN revision 4633 on. This makes 
also the look more homogeneous. If there is any problem with that, please report.

> The custom and alias links in the standard midas status page were shown as HTML 
> links so far. If there are many links with names having spaces in their names, 
> it's a bit hard to distinguish between them. Therefore, they are packed now into 
> individual buttons (see attachment) starting from SVN revision 4633 on. This makes 
> also the look more homogeneous. If there is any problem with that, please report.

Would you consider using a different colour for the alias buttons (or background
colour)? At present it's hard to know whether a button is an alias link, a custom page
link or a user-button especially if you are not familiar with the button layout. 

> > The custom and alias links in the standard midas status page were shown as HTML 
> > links so far. If there are many links with names having spaces in their names, 
> > it's a bit hard to distinguish between them. Therefore, they are packed now into 
> > individual buttons (see attachment) starting from SVN revision 4633 on. This makes 
> > also the look more homogeneous. If there is any problem with that, please report.
> 
> Would you consider using a different colour for the alias buttons (or background
> colour)? At present it's hard to know whether a button is an alias link, a custom page
> link or a user-button especially if you are not familiar with the button layout. 

Ok, I changed the background colors for the button rows. There are now four different 
colors: Main menu buttons, Scripts, Manually triggered events, Alias & Custom pages. Hope 
this is ok. Of course one could have each button in a different color, but then it gets 
complicated... In that case I would recommend to make a dedicated custom page with all these 
buttons, which you can then tailor exactly to your needs.

/Experiment/Menu Buttons = Start, ODB, Messages, ELog, Alarms, Programs, History, MSCB, Config, Help

[local:MEG:R]/MSCB>ls -r
MSCB
    Submaster
        mscb004
            Pwd                 xxxxx
            Comment             BTS
            Address             1
        mscb034
            Pwd                 xxxxx
            Comment             XEC HV & LED
            Address
                                0
                                1
                                2

/Equipment/<name>/Settings/Devices/Input/Device

/Equipment/<name>/Settings/Devices/<name>/MSCB Device

Dear All,

I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 

Semaphore already present
 There is another process using the semaphore.
 Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
 In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
   ipcrm sem XXX.

The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
overcome this problem?

Thanks!

Jimmy

> Dear All,
> 
> I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
> concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> 
> Semaphore already present
>  There is another process using the semaphore.
>  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
>  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
>    ipcrm sem XXX.
> 
> The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
> overcome this problem?

That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. I 
modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. Can you 
try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Dear Stefan,

Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. Maybe I 
have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same computer 
if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be put in 
different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start multiple 
frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed that 
there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess they are 
the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.

Best Regards,
Jimmy


> > Dear All,
> > 
> > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow control)
> > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > 
> > Semaphore already present
> >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > 
> > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I can
> > overcome this problem?
> 
> That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. I 
> modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. Can you 
> try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Hi Jimmy,

ok, now I understand. Well, I don't see your problem. I just tried with the 
current SVN 
version to start

midas/examples/experiment/frontend
midas/examples/slowcont/scfe

in the same directory (without "-h localhost") and it works just fine (see 
attachemnt). I even started them from the same directory. Yes there are *.SHM 
files and they correspond to shared memory, but both front-ends use this shared 
memory together (that's why it's called 'shared').

Your error message 'Semaphore already present' is strange. The string is not 
contained in any midas program, so it must come from somewhere else. Do you 
maybe try to access the same hardware with the two front-end programs?

I would propose you do the following: Use the two front-ends from the 
distribution (see above). They do not access any hardware. See if you can run 
them with the current SVN version of midas. If not, report back to me.

Best regards,

  Stefan


> Dear Stefan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. 
Maybe I 
> have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same 
computer 
> if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
> experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be 
put in 
> different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start 
multiple 
> frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed 
that 
> there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess 
they are 
> the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Jimmy
> 
> 
> > > Dear All,
> > > 
> > > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow 
control)
> > > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > > 
> > > Semaphore already present
> > >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> > >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> > >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> > >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > > 
> > > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I 
can
> > > overcome this problem?
> > 
> > That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. 
I 
> > modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. 
Can you 
> > try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Dear Stefan,

I followed your suggestion to try the sample front-ends from the distribution and 
they work fine. They also work fine with any one of my front-ends. Only my two 
front-ends cannot run concurrently in the same directory. I later found that the 
problem is in the CAEN HV wrapper library. The problem arises when the front-ends 
are both linked to that library and it is solved now.

Thanks & Best Regards,
Jimmy


> Hi Jimmy,
> 
> ok, now I understand. Well, I don't see your problem. I just tried with the 
> current SVN 
> version to start
> 
> midas/examples/experiment/frontend
> midas/examples/slowcont/scfe
> 
> in the same directory (without "-h localhost") and it works just fine (see 
> attachemnt). I even started them from the same directory. Yes there are *.SHM 
> files and they correspond to shared memory, but both front-ends use this shared 
> memory together (that's why it's called 'shared').
> 
> Your error message 'Semaphore already present' is strange. The string is not 
> contained in any midas program, so it must come from somewhere else. Do you 
> maybe try to access the same hardware with the two front-end programs?
> 
> I would propose you do the following: Use the two front-ends from the 
> distribution (see above). They do not access any hardware. See if you can run 
> them with the current SVN version of midas. If not, report back to me.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>   Stefan
> 
> 
> > Dear Stefan,
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply. I have tried your patch and it didn't solve my problem. 
> Maybe I 
> > have not written my question clearly. The two frontends could run on the same 
> computer 
> > if I use the remote method, i.e. by setting up the mserver and connect to the 
> > experiment by specifying "-h localhost", also the frontend programs need to be 
> put in 
> > different directory. What I want to know is whether I can simply start 
> multiple 
> > frontends in the same directory without setting up the mserver etc. I noticed 
> that 
> > there are several *.SHM files, I'm not familiar with semaphore, but I guess 
> they are 
> > the key to the problem. Please correct me if I misunderstood something.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Jimmy
> > 
> > 
> > > > Dear All,
> > > > 
> > > > I want to run two frontend programs (one for trigger and one for slow 
> control)
> > > > concurrently on the same computer, but I failed. The second frontend said: 
> > > > 
> > > > Semaphore already present
> > > >  There is another process using the semaphore.
> > > >  Or a process using the semaphore exited abnormally.
> > > >  In That case try to manually release the semaphore with:
> > > >    ipcrm sem XXX.
> > > > 
> > > > The two frontends are connected to the same experiment. Is there any way I 
> can
> > > > overcome this problem?
> > > 
> > > That might be related to the RPC mutex, which gets created system wide now. 
> I 
> > > modified this in midas.c rev. 4628, so there will be one mutex per process. 
> Can you 
> > > try that temporary patch and tell me if it works for you?

Since the column on the main midas status page with fraction of analyzed events is 
barely used, I decided to drop it. Anyhow it does not make sense for all slow 
control events. If this feature is required in some experiment, I propose to move it 
into a custom page and calculate this ratio in JavaScript, where one has much more 
flexibility. 

This modification frees up more space on the status page for the "Status" column, where 
front-end programs can report errors etc.

I notice that "mserver -s" (a non-default mode of operation) does not work right
- if I connect odbedit for the first time, all is okey, if I connect the second
time, mserver crashes - because after the first connection closed,
rpc_deregister_functions() was called, rpc_list is deleted and causes a crash
later on. Because everybody uses the default "mserver -m" mode, I am not sure
how important it is to fix this.
K.O.

> I notice that "mserver -s" (a non-default mode of operation) does not work right
> - if I connect odbedit for the first time, all is okey, if I connect the second
> time, mserver crashes - because after the first connection closed,
> rpc_deregister_functions() was called, rpc_list is deleted and causes a crash
> later on. Because everybody uses the default "mserver -m" mode, I am not sure
> how important it is to fix this.
> K.O.

"mserver -s" is there for historical reasons and for debugging. I started originally 
with a single process server back in the 90's, and only afterwards developed the multi 
process scheme. The single process server now only works for one connection and then 
crashes, as you described. But it can be used for debugging any server connection, 
since you don't have to follow the creation of a subprocess with your debugger, and 
therefore it's much easier. But after the first connection has been closed, you have 
to restart that single server process. Maybe one could add some warning about that, or 
even fix it, but it's nowhere used in production mode.

> 
> "mserver -s" is there for historical reasons and for debugging.
>

I confirm that my modification also works for "mserver -s". I also added an assert() to the
place in midas.c were it eventually crashes, to make it more obvious for the next guys.

K.O.

mserver update svn rev 4625 fixes an anomaly in the MIDAS RPC network code where
in some network configurations MIDAS mserver connections work, but some RPC
transactions, such as starting and stopping runs, do not (use the wrong network
names or are routed over the wrong network).

The problem is a possible discrepancy between network addresses used to
establish the mserver connection and the value of "/System/Clients/xxx/Host"
which is ultimately set to the value of "hostname" of the remote client. This
ODB setting is then used to establish additional network connections, for
example to start or stop runs.

Use the client "hostname" setting works well for standard configurations, when
there is only one network interface in the machine, with only one IP address,
and with "hostname" set to the value that this IP address resolves to using DNS.

However, if there are private networks, multiple network interfaces, or multiple
network routes between machines, "/System/Clients/xxx/Host" may become set to an
undesirable value resulting in asymmetrical network routing or complete failure
to establish RPC connections.

Svn rev 4625 updates mserver.c to automatically set "/System/clients/xxx/Host"
to the same network name as was used to establish the original mserver connection.

As always with networking, any fix always breaks something somewhere for
somebody, in which case the old behavior can be restored by "setenv
MIDAS_MSERVER_DO_NOT_USE_CALLBACK_ADDR 1" before starting mserver.

The specific problem fixed by this change is when the MIDAS client and server
are on machines connected by 2 separate networks ("client.triumf.ca" and
"client.daq"; "server.triumf.ca" and "server.daq"). The ".triumf.ca" network
carries the normal SSH, NFS, etc traffic, and the ".daq" network carries MIDAS
data traffic.

The client would use the "server.daq" name to connect to the server and this
traffic would go over the data network (good).

However, previously, the client "/System/Clients/xxx/Host" would be set to
"client.triumf.ca" and any reverse connections (i.e. RPC to start/stop runs)
would go over the normal ".triumf.ca" network (bad).

With this modification, mserver will set "/System/Clients/xxx/Host" to
"client.daq" (the IP address of the interface on the ".daq" network) and all
reverse connections would also go over the ".daq" network (good).

P.S. This modification definitely works only for the default "mserver -m" mode,
but I do not think this is a problem as using "-s" and "-t" modes is not
recommended, and the "-s" mode is definitely broken (see my previous message).

svn rev 4625
K.O.