Hello everybody,

I am really appreciate the development of the new odb++ API. So I directly started to rewrite the code for the Mu3e DAQ system.

I have a view questions / suggestions which came up during my work so fare:

1. The documentation seems to be quite new so there are some variables wrong named and small typo stuff. I would like to fix them. Should I request for an account or what else is needed to change them?

2. When I create an ODB structure with the new API I do for example:

    midas::odb stream_settings = {
            {"Test_odb_api", {
                                      {"Divider", 1000},     // int
                                      {"Enable", false},     // bool
                              }},
    };
    stream_settings.connect("/Equipment/Test/Settings", true);

and with 

midas::odb datagen("/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api");
std::cout << "Datagenerator Enable is " << datagen["Enable"] << std::endl;

I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

Thank you again for the nice development!

Cheers,
Marius 

> 2. When I create an ODB structure with the new API I do for example:
> 
>     midas::odb stream_settings = {
>             {"Test_odb_api", {
>                                       {"Divider", 1000},     // int
>                                       {"Enable", false},     // bool
>                               }},
>     };
>     stream_settings.connect("/Equipment/Test/Settings", true);
> 
> and with 
> 
> midas::odb datagen("/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api");
> std::cout << "Datagenerator Enable is " << datagen["Enable"] << std::endl;
> 
> I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

I cannot confirm this behaviour. Just put following code in a standalone program:

cm_connect_experiment(NULL, NULL, "test", NULL);
   midas::odb::set_debug(true);

   midas::odb stream_settings = {
           {"Test_odb_api", {
               {"Divider", 1000},     // int
               {"Enable", false},     // bool
           }},
   };
   stream_settings.connect("/Equipment/Test/Settings", true);

   midas::odb datagen("/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api");
   std::cout << "Datagenerator Enable is " << datagen["Enable"] << std::endl;

and run it. The result is:

...
Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
Datagenerator Enable is Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
false

Looking in the ODB, I also see 

[local:Online:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
[local:Online:S]Test_odb_api>ls
Divider                         1000
Enable                          n
[local:Online:S]Test_odb_api>


So not sure what is different in your case. Are you looking to the same ODB? Maybe you have one remote, and local? 
Note that the "true" flag in stream_settings.connect(..., true); forces all default values into the ODB. 
So if the ODB value is "y", it will be cdhanged to "n".

Best,
Stefan

Marius, has the problem been fixed in meantime?

Stefan

> I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. 
> I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since 
> I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

Hi Stefan,

your test program was only working for me after I changed the following lines inside the odbxx.cpp

diff --git a/src/odbxx.cxx b/src/odbxx.cxx
index 24b5a135..48edfd15 100644
--- a/src/odbxx.cxx
+++ b/src/odbxx.cxx
@@ -753,7 +753,12 @@ namespace midas {
          }
       } else {
          u_odb u = m_data[index];
-         status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
+         if (m_tid == TID_BOOL) {
+             BOOL ss = bool(u);
+             status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &ss, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
+         } else {
+             status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
+         }
          if (m_debug) {
             std::string s;
             u.get(s);

Likely not the best fix but otherwise I was always getting after running the test program:

[ODBEdit,INFO] Program ODBEdit on host localhost started
[local:Default:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
key not found
makoeppe@office ~/mu3e/online/online (git)-[odb++_api] % test_connect
Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings
Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api
Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider
Set ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider" = 1000
Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable
Set ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable" = false
Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api"
Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider"
Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider": 1000
Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable"
Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider"
Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider": 1000
Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable"
Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
Datagenerator Enable is Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
false
makoeppe@office ~/mu3e/online/online (git)-[odb++_api] % odbedit
[ODBEdit,INFO] Program ODBEdit on host localhost started
[local:Default:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
[local:Default:S]Test_odb_api>ls
Divider                         1000
Enable                          y 

> > I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. 
> > I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since 
> > I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

Hi Marius,

your fix is good. Thanks for digging out this deep-lying issue, which would have haunted us if we would not fix it. 
The problem is that in midas, the "BOOL" type is 4 Bytes long, actually modelled after MS Windows. Now I realized
that in c++, the "bool" type is only 1 Byte wide. So if we do the memcopy from a "c++ bool" to a "MIDAS BOOL", we
always copy four bytes, meaning that we copy three Bytes beyond the one-byte value of the c++ bool. So your fix
is absolutely correct, and I added it in one more space where we deal with bool arrays, where we need the same.

What I don't understand however is the fact why this fails for you. The ODB values are stored in the C union under

union {
  ...
  bool m_bool;
  double m_double;
  std::string *m_string;
  ...
}

Now the C compiler puts all values at the lowest address, so m_bool is at offset zero, and the string pointer reaches
over all eight bytes (we are on 64-bit OS).

Now when I initialize this union in odbxx.h:66, I zero the string pointer which is the widest object:

  u_odb() : m_string{} {};

which (at least on my Mac) sets all eight bytes to zero. If I then use the wrong code to set the bool value to the ODB 
in odbxx.cxx:756, I do 

  db_set_data_index(... &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), ...);

so it copies four bytes (=rpc_tid_size(TID_BOOL)) to the ODB. The first byte should be the c++ bool value (0 or 1),
and the other three bytes should be zero from the initialization above. Apparently on your system, this is not
the case, and I would like you to double check it. Maybe there is another underlying problem which I don't understand
at the moment but which we better fix.

Otherwise the change is committed and your code should work. But we should not stop here! I really want to understand
why this is not working for you, maybe I miss something.

Best,
Stefan

> Hi Stefan,
> 
> your test program was only working for me after I changed the following lines inside the odbxx.cpp
> 
> diff --git a/src/odbxx.cxx b/src/odbxx.cxx
> index 24b5a135..48edfd15 100644
> --- a/src/odbxx.cxx
> +++ b/src/odbxx.cxx
> @@ -753,7 +753,12 @@ namespace midas {
>           }
>        } else {
>           u_odb u = m_data[index];
> -         status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
> +         if (m_tid == TID_BOOL) {
> +             BOOL ss = bool(u);
> +             status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &ss, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
> +         } else {
> +             status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
> +         }
>           if (m_debug) {
>              std::string s;
>              u.get(s);
> 
> Likely not the best fix but otherwise I was always getting after running the test program:
> 
> [ODBEdit,INFO] Program ODBEdit on host localhost started
> [local:Default:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
> key not found
> makoeppe@office ~/mu3e/online/online (git)-[odb++_api] % test_connect
> Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings
> Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api
> Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider
> Set ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider" = 1000
> Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable
> Set ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable" = false
> Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api"
> Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider"
> Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider": 1000
> Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable"
> Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
> Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider"
> Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider": 1000
> Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable"
> Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
> Datagenerator Enable is Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
> false
> makoeppe@office ~/mu3e/online/online (git)-[odb++_api] % odbedit
> [ODBEdit,INFO] Program ODBEdit on host localhost started
> [local:Default:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
> [local:Default:S]Test_odb_api>ls
> Divider                         1000
> Enable                          y 
> 
> > > I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. 
> > > I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since 
> > > I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

Hi Stefan,

I agree with your explanation about the size of BOOL and bool. 

I checked the program also on my Raspberry and there the old code works like on your mac. I don't really understand 
why the behavior is different for my system. The initializing of the union should also work for my system. 

At the moment I am using:

Arch Linux
Linux office 5.4.42-1-lts #1 SMP Wed, 20 May 2020 20:42:53 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
gcc version 10.1.0 (GCC)

One thing which makes me a bit suspicious is that if I do:

u_odb u = m_data[index];
char dest[rpc_tid_size(m_tid)];
memcpy(dest, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid));

Clion tells me "Clang-Tidy: Undefined behavior, source object type 'midas::u_odb' is not TriviallyCopyable". 

I am not sure if this is the problem since I am not so familiar with this TriviallyCopyable. I need to further investigate here.

So fare the update from my side.

Cheers,
Marius

> Hi Marius,
> 
> your fix is good. Thanks for digging out this deep-lying issue, which would have haunted us if we would not fix it. 
> The problem is that in midas, the "BOOL" type is 4 Bytes long, actually modelled after MS Windows. Now I realized
> that in c++, the "bool" type is only 1 Byte wide. So if we do the memcopy from a "c++ bool" to a "MIDAS BOOL", we
> always copy four bytes, meaning that we copy three Bytes beyond the one-byte value of the c++ bool. So your fix
> is absolutely correct, and I added it in one more space where we deal with bool arrays, where we need the same.
> 
> What I don't understand however is the fact why this fails for you. The ODB values are stored in the C union under
> 
> union {
>   ...
>   bool m_bool;
>   double m_double;
>   std::string *m_string;
>   ...
> }
> 
> Now the C compiler puts all values at the lowest address, so m_bool is at offset zero, and the string pointer reaches
> over all eight bytes (we are on 64-bit OS).
> 
> Now when I initialize this union in odbxx.h:66, I zero the string pointer which is the widest object:
> 
>   u_odb() : m_string{} {};
> 
> which (at least on my Mac) sets all eight bytes to zero. If I then use the wrong code to set the bool value to the ODB 
> in odbxx.cxx:756, I do 
> 
>   db_set_data_index(... &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), ...);
> 
> so it copies four bytes (=rpc_tid_size(TID_BOOL)) to the ODB. The first byte should be the c++ bool value (0 or 1),
> and the other three bytes should be zero from the initialization above. Apparently on your system, this is not
> the case, and I would like you to double check it. Maybe there is another underlying problem which I don't understand
> at the moment but which we better fix.
> 
> Otherwise the change is committed and your code should work. But we should not stop here! I really want to understand
> why this is not working for you, maybe I miss something.
> 
> Best,
> Stefan
> 
> > Hi Stefan,
> > 
> > your test program was only working for me after I changed the following lines inside the odbxx.cpp
> > 
> > diff --git a/src/odbxx.cxx b/src/odbxx.cxx
> > index 24b5a135..48edfd15 100644
> > --- a/src/odbxx.cxx
> > +++ b/src/odbxx.cxx
> > @@ -753,7 +753,12 @@ namespace midas {
> >           }
> >        } else {
> >           u_odb u = m_data[index];
> > -         status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
> > +         if (m_tid == TID_BOOL) {
> > +             BOOL ss = bool(u);
> > +             status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &ss, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
> > +         } else {
> > +             status = db_set_data_index(m_hDB, m_hKey, &u, rpc_tid_size(m_tid), index, m_tid);
> > +         }
> >           if (m_debug) {
> >              std::string s;
> >              u.get(s);
> > 
> > Likely not the best fix but otherwise I was always getting after running the test program:
> > 
> > [ODBEdit,INFO] Program ODBEdit on host localhost started
> > [local:Default:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
> > key not found
> > makoeppe@office ~/mu3e/online/online (git)-[odb++_api] % test_connect
> > Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings
> > Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api
> > Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider
> > Set ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider" = 1000
> > Created ODB key /Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable
> > Set ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable" = false
> > Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api"
> > Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider"
> > Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider": 1000
> > Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable"
> > Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
> > Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider"
> > Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Divider": 1000
> > Get definition for ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable"
> > Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
> > Datagenerator Enable is Get ODB key "/Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/Enable": false
> > false
> > makoeppe@office ~/mu3e/online/online (git)-[odb++_api] % odbedit
> > [ODBEdit,INFO] Program ODBEdit on host localhost started
> > [local:Default:S]/>cd Equipment/Test/Settings/Test_odb_api/
> > [local:Default:S]Test_odb_api>ls
> > Divider                         1000
> > Enable                          y 
> > 
> > > > I am getting back false. Which looks nice but when I look into the odb via the browser the value is actually "y" meaning true which is stange. 
> > > > I added my frontend where I cleaned all function leaving only the frontend_init() one where I create this key. Its a cuda program but since 
> > > > I clean everything no cuda function is called anymore.

Hi Stefan,

I played around with the code a bit more and I found out that if I do:

midas::odb test_settings = {{"Enable", false}};
test_settings.connect("/Equipment/Test/Test", true);

The correct value ends up in the odb. In this case an u_odb instance is created
with a clean m_string. But if I run the other code an odb instanceo is created and
the values of m_data are set in

odbxx.h:
        odb(std::initializer_list<std::pair<const char *, midas::odb>> list) : odb() {...

This values are comming from u_odb instances since the code does:

odbxx.h:
        auto o = new midas::odb(element.second);

and then

odbxx.h:
        odb(T v):odb() {                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
           m_num_values = 1;                                                                                                                                                                                                             
           m_data = new u_odb[1]{v};                                                                                                                                                                                                                
           m_tid = m_data[0].get_tid();                                                            
           m_data[0].set_parent(this);                                                         
        }

and looking at 

odbxx.h:
        u_odb(bool v) : m_bool{v}, m_tid{TID_BOOL}, m_parent_odb{nullptr} {};   

only m_bool is set for this instance meaning that only the first byte gets a value 
(still having only 1 byte for bool in c++). If I check m_string inside the u_odb::get function
 of this instance I am getting for a bool (I set false) stuff like 0x7f6633f67a00 and for an int 
(I set the int to 1000) 0x7f66000003e8. Since the size of BOOL is larger I am getting the 
wrong value. I checked this also on openSUSE having the same behavior.

Like you I am not getting this problem on my Mac. What compiler flags do you use on your Mac?

Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

thanks for your help, you identified the problematic location. I changed that to

   u_odb(bool v) : m_tid{TID_BOOL}, m_parent_odb{nullptr} {m_string = nullptr; m_bool = v;};

which should initialize the full 8 bytes of the u_odb union. I committed to develop. Can you 
please give it a try?

Best,
Stefan


> and looking at 
> 
> odbxx.h:
>         u_odb(bool v) : m_bool{v}, m_tid{TID_BOOL}, m_parent_odb{nullptr} {};   
> 
> only m_bool is set for this instance meaning that only the first byte gets a value 
> (still having only 1 byte for bool in c++). If I check m_string inside the u_odb::get function
>  of this instance I am getting for a bool (I set false) stuff like 0x7f6633f67a00 and for an int 
> (I set the int to 1000) 0x7f66000003e8. Since the size of BOOL is larger I am getting the 
> wrong value. I checked this also on openSUSE having the same behavior.

Hi Stefan,

now everything works well (Tested on: OpenSuse and Arch Linux) :) 

Thank you for the fix.

Cheers,
Marius

> Hi Marius,
> 
> thanks for your help, you identified the problematic location. I changed that to
> 
>    u_odb(bool v) : m_tid{TID_BOOL}, m_parent_odb{nullptr} {m_string = nullptr; m_bool = v;};
> 
> which should initialize the full 8 bytes of the u_odb union. I committed to develop. Can you 
> please give it a try?
> 
> Best,
> Stefan
> 
> 
> > and looking at 
> > 
> > odbxx.h:
> >         u_odb(bool v) : m_bool{v}, m_tid{TID_BOOL}, m_parent_odb{nullptr} {};   
> > 
> > only m_bool is set for this instance meaning that only the first byte gets a value 
> > (still having only 1 byte for bool in c++). If I check m_string inside the u_odb::get function
> >  of this instance I am getting for a bool (I set false) stuff like 0x7f6633f67a00 and for an int 
> > (I set the int to 1000) 0x7f66000003e8. Since the size of BOOL is larger I am getting the 
> > wrong value. I checked this also on openSUSE having the same behavior.

To build a frontend task, the user code and system code are compiled and linked 
together with the required libraries, by running a Makefile (e.g. 
../midas/examples/experiment/Makefile in the MIDAS package).

I tried building the CAMAC example frontend and I get this error:

g++: error: /home/rcmp/packages/midas/drivers/camac/ces8210.c: No such file or 
directory
g++: error: /home/rcmp/packages/midas/linux/lib/libmidas.a: No such file or 
directory
make: *** [camac_init.exe] Error 1

Obviously, I'm running the "make all" command from the camac directory. Why 
would I get this "no such file" error? Do I need to download the MIDAS packages 
inside my experiment directory?

Thanks for helping me out.

Isaac

Hello,

I have a question about length of the name of ODB key.
Is it possible to create an ODB key containing more than 32 characters?

Thanks.
Ruslan

No. But if you need more than 32 characters, you do something wrong. The 
information you want to put into the ODB key name should probably be stored in 
another string key or so.

Stefan


> Hello,
> 
> I have a question about length of the name of ODB key.
> Is it possible to create an ODB key containing more than 32 characters?
> 
> Thanks.
> Ruslan

Hey everyone,

When I run mhttpd I get the following error message:

[mhttpd,ERROR] [odb.cxx:1720:db_open_database,ERROR] Removed ODB client 
'mhttpd', index 0 because process pid 4531 does not exists
[mhttpd,INFO] Removed open record flag from "/Experiment/Security/RPC 
hosts/Allowed hosts"
[mhttpd,INFO] Removed exclusive access mode from "/Experiment/Security/RPC 
hosts/Allowed hosts"
[mhttpd,INFO] Removed open record flag from "/Experiment/Security/mhttpd 
hosts/Allowed hosts"
[mhttpd,INFO] Removed exclusive access mode from "/Experiment/Security/mhttpd 
hosts/Allowed hosts"
[mhttpd,INFO] Removed open record flag from "/Sequencer/State"
[mhttpd,INFO] Removed exclusive access mode from "/Sequencer/State"
[mhttpd,INFO] Corrected 3 ODB entries
[mhttpd,INFO] Deleted entry '/System/Clients/4531' for client 'mhttpd' because 
it is not connected to ODB
[mhttpd,INFO] Client 'mhttpd' on buffer 'SYSMSG' removed by bm_open_buffer 
because process pid 4531 does not exist
Mongoose web server will not use password protection
mongoose web server is listening on the HTTP port 8080

So mhttpd works as I have access to it through my browser but mlogger does not 
work when I try running it (Alarm: Program Logger is not running). I've 
managed to get mlogger working before and I think that the problem might be 
from maybe having another instance of ODB running without me knowing. 

Has anyone ever had this issue?

Thanks so much for your time.

Isaac

Hi

I had a problem with the compilation of midas after an OS update to the recent version of OpenSuse tumbleweed. The function stime() in system.cxx:3196 is no longer available. 

In the documentation it is also marked as deprecated with the suggestion to use clock_settime instead:
https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/stime.2.html

replacing system.cxx:3196 with the clock_settime - method in system.cxx:3200 - 3204 also for OS_UNIX seems to solve the problem, but i'm not sure if this will cause problems on older OS's.

Martin

The function stime() has been replaced by clock_settime() on Feb. 2020:

https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/c732120e7c68bbcdbbc6236c1fe894c401d9bbbd

Please always pull before submitting bug reports.

Best,
Stefan

Hey folks,

I'm currently working on setting up a MIDAS experiment and I am following the 
"Setup MIDAS experiment at Triumf" page on 
MidasWiki(https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Setup_MIDAS_experiment_at_
TRIUMF).

The 3rd line of the hardware checklist under the "Prepare VME hardware section" 
has a link to a page that doesn't exit anymore, I'm trying to figure out how to 
setup the VME address jumpers on the VME modules.

Does anyone know how to setup the VME modules? Or, can anyone send me a link to 
instructions?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Isaac

Hi, if you are not using any VME hardware, then you have no VME address jumpers to 
set. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMEbus

K.O.

> Hi, if you are not using any VME hardware, then you have no VME address jumpers to 
> set. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMEbus
> 
> K.O.

Hi thanks for taking the time to help me out. I am using a VME-MWS in this experiment.

Let me know what you think.

Isaac

Dear all

To reduce the time needed by Midas between runs, we want to change some of our periodic equipment to multi-threaded slow-control equipment. To do that I wanted to start from 
the slowcont with the multi/hv class driver and the nulldev device driver and null bus driver. The example runs fine as it is on the local midas machine and also on remote 
machines. When adding the DF_MULTITHREAD flag to the device driver list, it does not run anymore on remote machines but aborts with the following assertion:

scfe: /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:1569: INT cm_get_path(char*, int): Assertion `_path_name.length() > 0' failed.

Running the frontend with GDB and set a breakpoint at the exit leads to the following: 

(gdb) where
#0  0x00007ffff68d599f in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x00007ffff68bfcf5 in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#2  0x00007ffff68bfbc9 in __assert_fail_base.cold.0 () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#3  0x00007ffff68cde56 in __assert_fail () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#4  0x000000000041efbf in cm_get_path (path=0x7fffffffd060 "P\373g", path_size=256)
    at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:1563
#5  cm_get_path (path=path@entry=0x7fffffffd060 "P\373g", path_size=path_size@entry=256)
    at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:1563
#6  0x0000000000453dd8 in ss_semaphore_create (name=name@entry=0x7fffffffd2c0 "DD_Input", 
    semaphore_handle=semaphore_handle@entry=0x67f700 <multi_driver+96>)
    at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/system.cxx:2340
#7  0x0000000000451d25 in device_driver (device_drv=0x67f6a0 <multi_driver>, cmd=<optimized out>)
    at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/device_driver.cxx:155
#8  0x00000000004175f8 in multi_init(eqpmnt*) ()
#9  0x00000000004185c8 in cd_multi(int, eqpmnt*) ()
#10 0x000000000041c20c in initialize_equipment () at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/mfe.cxx:827
#11 0x000000000040da60 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffffffda48)
    at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/mfe.cxx:2757

I also tried to use the generic class driver which results in the same. I am not sure if this is a problem of the multi-threaded frontend running on a remote machine or is it 
something of our system which is not properly set up. Anyway I am running out of ideas how to solve this and would appreciate any input. 

Thanks in advance,
Ivo

Yes, it is supposed to crash. On a remote frontend, cm_get_path() cannot be used
(we are on a different computer, all filesystems maybe no the same!) and is actually not set and
triggers a trap if something tries to use it. (this is the crash you see).

The caller to cm_get_path() is a MIDAS semaphore function.

And I think there is a mistake here. It is unusual for the driver framework to use a semaphore. For multithreaded
protection inside the frontend, a mutex would normally be used. (and mutexes do not use cm_get_path(), so
all is good). But if a semaphore is used, than all frontends running on the same computer become
serialized across the locked section. This is the right thing to do if you have multiple frontends
sharing the same hardware, i.e. a /dev/ttyUSB serial line, but why would a generic framework function
do this. I am not sure, I will have to take a look at why there is a semaphore and what it is locking/protecting.

(In midas, semaphores are normally used to protect global memory, such as ODB, or global resources, such as alarms,
against concurrent access by multiple programs, but of course that does not work for remote frontends,
they are on a different computer! semaphores only work locally, do not work across the network!)

K.O.

> 
> scfe: /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:1569: INT cm_get_path(char*, int): Assertion `_path_name.length() > 0' failed.
> 
> Running the frontend with GDB and set a breakpoint at the exit leads to the following: 
> 
> (gdb) where
> #0  0x00007ffff68d599f in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> #1  0x00007ffff68bfcf5 in abort () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> #2  0x00007ffff68bfbc9 in __assert_fail_base.cold.0 () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> #3  0x00007ffff68cde56 in __assert_fail () from /lib64/libc.so.6
> #4  0x000000000041efbf in cm_get_path (path=0x7fffffffd060 "P\373g", path_size=256)
>     at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:1563
> #5  cm_get_path (path=path@entry=0x7fffffffd060 "P\373g", path_size=path_size@entry=256)
>     at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/midas.cxx:1563
> #6  0x0000000000453dd8 in ss_semaphore_create (name=name@entry=0x7fffffffd2c0 "DD_Input", 
>     semaphore_handle=semaphore_handle@entry=0x67f700 <multi_driver+96>)
>     at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/system.cxx:2340
> #7  0x0000000000451d25 in device_driver (device_drv=0x67f6a0 <multi_driver>, cmd=<optimized out>)
>     at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/device_driver.cxx:155
> #8  0x00000000004175f8 in multi_init(eqpmnt*) ()
> #9  0x00000000004185c8 in cd_multi(int, eqpmnt*) ()
> #10 0x000000000041c20c in initialize_equipment () at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/mfe.cxx:827
> #11 0x000000000040da60 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffffffda48)
>     at /home/neutron/packages/midas/src/mfe.cxx:2757
> 
> I also tried to use the generic class driver which results in the same. I am not sure if this is a problem of the multi-threaded frontend running on a remote machine or is it 
> something of our system which is not properly set up. Anyway I am running out of ideas how to solve this and would appreciate any input. 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ivo

Few comments:

- As KO write, we might need semaphores also on a remote front-end, in case several programs share the same hardware. So it should work and cm_get_path() should not just exit

- When I wrote the multi-threaded device drivers, I did use semaphores instead of mutexes, but I forgot why. Might be that midas semaphores have a timeout and mutexes not, or 
something along those lines.

- I do need either semaphores or mutexes since in a multi-threaded slow-control font-end (too many dashes...) several threads have to access an internal data exchange buffer, which 
needs protection for multi-threaded environments.

So we can how either fix cm_get_path() or replace all semaphores in with mutexes in midas/src/device_driver.cxx. I have kind of a feeling that we should do both. And what about 
switching to c++ std::mutex instead of pthread mutexes?

Stefan

Thanks you two once again for the very fast answers. I tested the example on the local machine and it works perfectly fine. In the meantime I also created two new drivers for our devices 
and everything works with them, the improvement in time is significant and I will create drivers for all our devices where possible. If they are in a working state I can also provide 
them to add to the Midas drivers. Of course if it would be possible to run the front-end also on our remote machines this would be even better. I am not experienced in any multi-threaded 
programming but if I can provide any help or input, please let me know. 

Have a great weekend,
Ivo

I am on branch develop and use the tmfe frontends. I found that a bool vector 
gets bigger every time I read it from the ODB.

Turns out in midasodb.cxx (as of commit 813f696, lines 478ff) the output vector 
"value" gets appended to without resizing.

Since after line 474 xvalue.size()==value.size() it would make sense to simply 
replace value->push_back() with value[i]= .

Hi,
I build MIDAS and ROOTANA using same tag (midas-2020-03-a, rootana-2020-03-a):

if I build examples in ROOTANA I got wrong run number (always 0):

[root@lxgentor examples]# ./ana.exe -r9090

Using THttpServer in read/write mode
TMidasOnline::connect: Connecting to experiment "exo" on host 
"lxgentor.na.infn.it"
MVOdb::SetMidasStatus: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "//runinfo/Run 
number" returned status 312
Opened output file with name : output00000000.root
TDT724Waveform done init...... 
Create Histos
Create Histos
TMidasOnline::eventRequest: Event request: buffer "SYSTEM" (2), event id 
0xffffffff, trigger mask 0xffffffff, sample 2, request id: 0

it seems that some function try to get "//runinfo/Run number" (double slash) 
instead of "/runinfo/Run number"...

Thanks in advance,
Gennaro

Hi,

I fixed this particular case, so that I now I get the run number correctly.

But Konstantin will need to explain how this class is supposed to be used more generally.  The example programs have a mix with sometimes needing leading slashes and other times not:

Thomass-MacBook-Pro-3:rootana lindner$ grep -s 'runinfo/Run' */*.c*
libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx:   fODB->RI("runinfo/Run number", &fCurrentRunNumber);
manalyzer/manalyzer.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
manalyzer/manalyzer_v0.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
old_analyzer/analyzer.cxx:   gOdb->RI("runinfo/Run number", &gRunNumber);

Cheers,
Thomas

> 
> Hi,
> I build MIDAS and ROOTANA using same tag (midas-2020-03-a, rootana-2020-03-a):
> 
> if I build examples in ROOTANA I got wrong run number (always 0):
> 
> [root@lxgentor examples]# ./ana.exe -r9090
> 
> Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> TMidasOnline::connect: Connecting to experiment "exo" on host 
> "lxgentor.na.infn.it"
> MVOdb::SetMidasStatus: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "//runinfo/Run 
> number" returned status 312
> Opened output file with name : output00000000.root
> TDT724Waveform done init...... 
> Create Histos
> Create Histos
> TMidasOnline::eventRequest: Event request: buffer "SYSTEM" (2), event id 
> 0xffffffff, trigger mask 0xffffffff, sample 2, request id: 0
> 
> it seems that some function try to get "//runinfo/Run number" (double slash) 
> instead of "/runinfo/Run number"...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Gennaro

Hi,

thanks a lot for your grep... I temporary fix my local ROOTANA code with this:

diff --git a/libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx b/libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx
index 57111b6..90cf384 100644
--- a/libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx
+++ b/libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx
@@ -733,7 +733,7 @@ int TRootanaEventLoop::ProcessMidasOnline(TApplication*app, const char* hostname
    /* fill present run parameters */
 
    fCurrentRunNumber = 0;
-   fODB->RI("/runinfo/Run number", &fCurrentRunNumber);
+   fODB->RI("runinfo/Run number", &fCurrentRunNumber);
 
    //   if ((fODB->odbReadInt("/runinfo/State") == 3))
    //startRun(0,gRunNumber,0);

Regards,
Gennaro

> Hi,
> 
> I fixed this particular case, so that I now I get the run number correctly.
> 
> But Konstantin will need to explain how this class is supposed to be used more generally.  The example programs have a mix with sometimes needing leading slashes and other times not:
> 
> Thomass-MacBook-Pro-3:rootana lindner$ grep -s 'runinfo/Run' */*.c*
> libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx:   fODB->RI("runinfo/Run number", &fCurrentRunNumber);
> manalyzer/manalyzer.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
> manalyzer/manalyzer_v0.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
> old_analyzer/analyzer.cxx:   gOdb->RI("runinfo/Run number", &gRunNumber);
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > I build MIDAS and ROOTANA using same tag (midas-2020-03-a, rootana-2020-03-a):
> > 
> > if I build examples in ROOTANA I got wrong run number (always 0):
> > 
> > [root@lxgentor examples]# ./ana.exe -r9090
> > 
> > Using THttpServer in read/write mode
> > TMidasOnline::connect: Connecting to experiment "exo" on host 
> > "lxgentor.na.infn.it"
> > MVOdb::SetMidasStatus: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "//runinfo/Run 
> > number" returned status 312
> > Opened output file with name : output00000000.root
> > TDT724Waveform done init...... 
> > Create Histos
> > Create Histos
> > TMidasOnline::eventRequest: Event request: buffer "SYSTEM" (2), event id 
> > 0xffffffff, trigger mask 0xffffffff, sample 2, request id: 0
> > 
> > it seems that some function try to get "//runinfo/Run number" (double slash) 
> > instead of "/runinfo/Run number"...
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Gennaro

> 
> But Konstantin will need to explain how this class is supposed to be used more generally.
>

MVOdb is a replacement for VirtualOdb. It has many functions that were missing in VirtualOdb
and it implements access to both XML and JSON ODB dumps.

>  The example programs have a mix with sometimes needing leading slashes and other times not:
> 
> libAnalyzer/TRootanaEventLoop.cxx:   fODB->RI("runinfo/Run number", &fCurrentRunNumber);
> old_analyzer/analyzer.cxx:   gOdb->RI("runinfo/Run number", &gRunNumber);

RI() is MVOdb, no absolute paths, leading "/" not permitted.

> manalyzer/manalyzer.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");
> manalyzer/manalyzer_v0.cxx:   int run_number = midas->odbReadInt("/runinfo/Run number");

Hmmm... good catch. these are VirtualOdb calls, but they bypass the VirtualOdb interface (which was removed)
and call the odb access methods directly from the TMidasOnline class. They should be replaced
with MVOdb RI() calls (and leading "/" removed).

I was going to look at the TMidasOnline class next - many things need to be updated,
but it will have to wait until I update the MVOdb and the tmfe documentation and until
I update midasio to read and write the new bank32a data files.

K.O.

> I build MIDAS and ROOTANA using same tag (midas-2020-03-a, rootana-2020-03-a):
>
> MVOdb::SetMidasStatus: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "//runinfo/Run 
> number" returned status 312
>
> it seems that some function try to get "//runinfo/Run number" (double slash) 
> instead of "/runinfo/Run number"...
> 

You made a mistake somewhere.

rootana release rootana-2020-03 uses VirtualOdb, not MVOdb, so there should be no 
messages from "MVOdb". ODB path "/runinfo/run number" is correct for the 
VirtualOdb classes. MVOdb classes use relative paths, absolute path starting from 
"/" is not permitted, hence the error.

You most likely are using the master branch of rootana.

Commit switching rootana from VirtualOdb to mvodb was made after the release 2020-
03, in May:
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/commits/522cd07181c59f557e9ef13a70223ec44be44
bc9

(I confirm the incorrect call to RI("/runinfo/..."), Thomas already fixed it in 
the repository, big thanks!).

The dust is not fully settled yet on the refactoring of rootana, until then, I 
recommend that people use the release version(s).

K.O.

> > I build MIDAS and ROOTANA using same tag (midas-2020-03-a, rootana-2020-03-a):
> >
> > MVOdb::SetMidasStatus: Error: MIDAS db_get_value() at ODB path "//runinfo/Run 
> > number" returned status 312
> >
> > it seems that some function try to get "//runinfo/Run number" (double slash) 
> > instead of "/runinfo/Run number"...
> > 
>
> You made a mistake somewhere.

you are right !
I used rootana-2020-03-a instead of release/rootana-2020-03... my fault !

I have to (re)compile MIDAS for the same error...

Thanks !
Gennaro

> 
> rootana release rootana-2020-03 uses VirtualOdb, not MVOdb, so there should be no 
> messages from "MVOdb". ODB path "/runinfo/run number" is correct for the 
> VirtualOdb classes. MVOdb classes use relative paths, absolute path starting from 
> "/" is not permitted, hence the error.
> 
> You most likely are using the master branch of rootana.
> 
> Commit switching rootana from VirtualOdb to mvodb was made after the release 2020-
> 03, in May:
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/rootana/commits/522cd07181c59f557e9ef13a70223ec44be44
> bc9
> 
> (I confirm the incorrect call to RI("/runinfo/..."), Thomas already fixed it in 
> the repository, big thanks!).
> 
> The dust is not fully settled yet on the refactoring of rootana, until then, I 
> recommend that people use the release version(s).
> 
> K.O.

> > You made a mistake somewhere.
> 
> you are right !
> I used rootana-2020-03-a instead of release/rootana-2020-03... my fault !
> 
> I have to (re)compile MIDAS for the same error...

The MIDAS version, including what branch you have used is reported on the midas "help" page and in 
the odbedit "version" command.

For example my midas reports:
Tue Mar 24 20:54:11 2020 -0700 - midas-2020-03-a-98-g8b462cc9 on branch develop

This version string includes:
date of commit
git tag and commit number (see "git describe")
"-dirty" if you have modified sources ("git status" shows modified files)
and which git branch you have (I have "develop", you should have "release/midas-2020-03")

I am not sure how ROOTANA reports the version and build strings. I shall check..O...

K.O.

In glibc 2.31, the stime function was deprecated:

* The obsolete function stime is no longer available to newly linked
  binaries, and its declaration has been removed from <time.h>.
  Programs that set the system time should use clock_settime instead.

https://sourceware.org/legacy-ml/libc-announce/2020/msg00001.html

This creates a problem in src/system.cxx:3197:4

I’m beginner of Midas, and trying to develop the slow control front-end with the latest Midas.
I found the scfe.cxx in the “example”, but not enough to refer to write the front-end for my own devices 
because it contains only nulldevice and null bus driver case...
(I could have succeeded to run the HV front-end for ISEG MPod, because there is the device driver...)

Can I get some frontend examples such as simple TCP/IP and/or RS232 devices?
Hopefully, I would like to have examples of frontend and device driver.
(if any device driver which is included in the package is similar, please tell me.)

Thanks a lot.

> I’m beginner of Midas, and trying to develop the slow control front-end with the latest Midas.
> I found the scfe.cxx in the “example”, but not enough to refer to write the front-end for my own devices 
> because it contains only nulldevice and null bus driver case...
> (I could have succeeded to run the HV front-end for ISEG MPod, because there is the device driver...)
> 
> Can I get some frontend examples such as simple TCP/IP and/or RS232 devices?
> Hopefully, I would like to have examples of frontend and device driver.
> (if any device driver which is included in the package is similar, please tell me.)
> 
> Thanks a lot.

Dear Yoshida-san,
my name is Giorgio and I am a Ph.D. student working on the T2K experiment.
I had to write many MIDAS frontends recently, so I think that my code could be of some help to you.

As you might already know, the MIDAS slow control system is structured into three layers/levels.

 - The highest layer is the "class" layer that directly interfaces with the user and the ODB. It is called 
"class" layer because it refers to a class of devices (for example all the high voltage power supplies, 
etc...). The idea is that in the same experiment you can have many different models of power supplies but 
all of them can be controlled with a single class driver.

 - Then there is the "device" layer that implements the functions specific to the particular device.

 - Finally, there is the "BUS" layer that directly communicates with the device. The BUS can be Ethernet 
(TCP/IP), Serial (RS-232 / RS-422 / RS-485), USB, etc ...

You can read more about the MIDAS slow control system here:
https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Slow_Control_System

Anyway, you need to write code for all those layers. If you are lucky you can reuse some of the already 
existing MIDAS code. Keep in mind that all the examples that you find in the MIDAS documentation and the 
MIDAS source code are written in C (even if it is then compiled with g++). But, you can write a frontend in 
C++ without any problem so choose whichever language you are familiar the most with.

I am attaching an archive with some sample code directly taken from our experiment. It is just a small 
fraction of the code not meant to be compilable. The code is disclosed with the GPL3 license, so you can use 
it as you please but if you do, please cite my name and the WAGASCI-T2K experiment somewhere visible.

In the archive, you can find two example frontends with the respective drivers. The "Triggers" frontend is 
written in C++ (or C+ if you consider that the mfe.cxx API is very C-like). The "WaterLevel" frontend is 
written in plain C. The "Triggers" frontend controls our trigger board called CCC and the "WaterLevel" 
frontend controls our water level sensors called PicoLog 1012. They share a custom implementation of the 
TCP/IP bus. Anyway, this is not relevant to you. You may just want to take a look at the code structure.

Finally, recently there have been some very interesting developments regarding the ODB C++ API. I would 
definitely take a look at that. I wish I had that when I was developing these frontends.

Good luck

--
Pintaudi Giorgio, Ph.D. student
Neutrino and Particle Physics Minamino Laboratory
Faculty of Science and Engineering, Yokohama National University
giorgio.pintaudi.kx@ynu.jp
TEL +81(0)45-339-4182

Dear Giorgio,

Thank you very much for your kind and quick reply!

I appreciate you giving me such a nice explanation, experience, and great sample codes (This is what I desired!).
They all are useful for me. I will try to write my frontend codes using gift from you.

Thank you again!

Best regards,
Hisataka Yoshida

> I’m beginner of Midas, and trying to develop the slow control front-end with the latest Midas.
> I found the scfe.cxx in the “example”, but not enough to refer to write the front-end for my own devices 
> because it contains only nulldevice and null bus driver case...
> (I could have succeeded to run the HV front-end for ISEG MPod, because there is the device driver...)
> 
> Can I get some frontend examples such as simple TCP/IP and/or RS232 devices?
> Hopefully, I would like to have examples of frontend and device driver.
> (if any device driver which is included in the package is similar, please tell me.)

Have you checked the documentation?

https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Slow_Control_System

Basically you have to replace the nulldevice driver with a "real" driver. You find all existing drivers under 
midas/drivers/device. If your favourite is not there, you have to write it. Use one which is close to the one 
you need and modify it.

Best,
Stefan

Dear Stefan,

Thank you for you quick reply.


> Have you checked the documentation?
> 
> https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Slow_Control_System

Yes, I have read the wiki, but not easy to figure out how I treat the individual case.

> Basically you have to replace the nulldevice driver with a "real" driver. You find all existing drivers under 
> midas/drivers/device. If your favourite is not there, you have to write it. Use one which is close to the one 
> you need and modify it.

Okay, I will try to write drivers for my own devices using existing drivers.
(maybe I can find some device drivers which uses TCP/IP, RS232)

Best regards,
Hisataka Yoshida

• write a custom parser in C++ using the instructions contained in the Mhformat page;
  
• call the mhist program from within my application;
  
• call the mhdump program from within my application;
  

<p>[quote=&quot;Pintaudi Giorgio&quot;]Dear MIDAS people, I need to borrow your 
wisdom for a bit. I am developing a piece of software that should read the history data 
stored in a [FONT=Times New Roman].midas[/FONT] file (MIDAS format) and integrate it 
into the WAGASCI data quality output. In other words, I need to read some temperature 
values stored in a [FONT=Times New Roman].midas[/FONT] file and compare them with 
the MPPC gains and check for temperature/gain dependence. I see three possibilities: 
[LIST] [*] write a custom parser in C++ using the instructions contained in the 
[URL=https://midas.triumf.ca/MidasWiki/index.php/Mhformat]Mhformat page[/URL]; [*] call 
the mhist program from within my application; [*] call the mhdump program from within my 
application; [/LIST] [B]Which solution do you think is the best?[/B] Because there is no 
need for raw performance, if possible, I would like to write my application in Python3 but 
C++ is also an option. [/quote]</p>

(Please write messages in plain text format, thank you)

The format of .hst midas history files is pretty simple and mhdump.cxx is an easy to read 
illustration on how to read it from basic principles (without going through the midas library, 
which can be somewhat complicated). The newer "FILE" format for history is even simpler 
to read because it is just fixed-record-size binary data prepended by a text header.

You can also use the mh2sql program to import history data into an sql database (mysql 
and sqlite should work) or to convert .hst files to "FILE" format files. This works well
for "archiving" history data, because the "FILE" format works better for looking at old data,
and for looking at data in "months" or "years" timescale.

Back to your question, you can certainly use "mhdump" as is, using a pipe (popen()), or 
you can package mhdump.cxx as a c++ class and use it in your application. If you go this 
route, your contribution of such a c++ class back to midas would be very welcome.

You can also use mhist, but the mhist code cannot be trivially packaged as a c++ class
to use in your application.

You can also suggest that we write an easier to use history utility, we are always open to 
suggested improvements.

Let us know how it works out for you. Good luck!

K.O.

> The format of .hst midas history files is pretty simple and mhdump.cxx is an easy to read 
> illustration on how to read it from basic principles (without going through the midas library, 
> which can be somewhat complicated). The newer "FILE" format for history is even simpler 
> to read because it is just fixed-record-size binary data prepended by a text header.
> 
> You can also use the mh2sql program to import history data into an sql database (mysql 
> and sqlite should work) or to convert .hst files to "FILE" format files. This works well
> for "archiving" history data, because the "FILE" format works better for looking at old data,
> and for looking at data in "months" or "years" timescale.
> 
> Back to your question, you can certainly use "mhdump" as is, using a pipe (popen()), or 
> you can package mhdump.cxx as a c++ class and use it in your application. If you go this 
> route, your contribution of such a c++ class back to midas would be very welcome.
> 
> You can also use mhist, but the mhist code cannot be trivially packaged as a c++ class
> to use in your application.
> 
> You can also suggest that we write an easier to use history utility, we are always open to 
> suggested improvements.
> 
> Let us know how it works out for you. Good luck!
> 
> K.O.

Dear Konstantin,
thank you very much for the wealth of information you provided.
I have thought about it and I see two options:

- One is to convert to SQL format and then use a SQLite library to import the data in my 
application.

- The other is to encapsulate the mhdump.cxx code into a C++ class, as you say.

I am leaning towards the first option for three reasons.
1. I have never used a SQLite database so it is a good learning opportunity for me.
2, The SQLite database format is very well known and widespread, so there are tons of tools to 
handle it
3. I have taken a look at the mhdump.cxx source code and I think it is a beautiful piece of code, 
but has a very "functional" taste with little encapsulation. Basically, all the fun is happening 
inside the readHstFile function and there is no trivial way to get the data out of it. I don't mean 
that it would be difficult to wrap it around a C++ class, but I feel that I can learn more by going 
the SQL way.

PS some time ago, I don't remember if you or Stefan, recommended CLion as C++ IDE. I have tried it 
(together with PyCharm) and I must admit that it is really good. It took me years to configure Emacs 
as a IDE, while it took me minutes to have much better results in CLion. Thank you very much for 
your recommendation.

>
> - One is to convert to SQL format and then use a SQLite library to import the data in my 
> application.
> 

You can also configure midas to write history directly to an SQLITE database. I have not used
it recently, but it should still work. In terms of efficiency, sqlite file size is about the same
as .hst files. sqlite file and table naming is similar to the SQL and FILE implementation.

(But note that back when I implemented the SQLITE history writer, sqlite database corruption
recovery instructions were "delete the file, restore from backup". And indeed in every test
experiment I tried, the sqlite history databases eventually corrupted themselves. You see
same thing with google-chrome, lots of sqlite errors (bad locking, corrupted table, etc)
in it's terminal output).

>
> - The other is to encapsulate the mhdump.cxx code into a C++ class, as you say.
> 

If I were to write this today, there would be a c++ class that takes a history file,
iterates over all records and calls "callback" classlets. You can see this in the history.h
(HistoryBufferInterface) and in the tmfe.h (RpcHandlerInterface, etc).

I think this style of OO programming originally comes from java. If you so desire,
an "mhdump" class could be a nice way to learn it.

> 
> PS some time ago, I don't remember if you or Stefan, recommended CLion as C++ IDE. I have tried it 
> (together with PyCharm) and I must admit that it is really good. It took me years to configure Emacs 
> as a IDE, while it took me minutes to have much better results in CLion. Thank you very much for 
> your recommendation.
>

I remember, years ago, the Borland TurboC IDE was like a gift from Gods. But today, I think IDEs have
declined in quality and usefulness. They clog the screen with too much eye candy and fluff, use hard
to read fonts and silly colours, insist on using tabs where I want spaces, reformat the text even as I type it,
and detract from productive work with distracting popups ("try this new function!", "let's upgrade now!").

For serious programming, I use emacs with minimal decorations. I can easily open 3 or 4 windows at the same
time and still have enough screen space left for a terminal to run "make". And it is the only editor that can
edit the same file in two or more windows at the same time. You do not know you need this until
you work on odb.cxx.

K.O.

> (But note that back when I implemented the SQLITE history writer, sqlite database corruption
> recovery instructions were "delete the file, restore from backup". And indeed in every test
> experiment I tried, the sqlite history databases eventually corrupted themselves. You see
> same thing with google-chrome, lots of sqlite errors (bad locking, corrupted table, etc)
> in it's terminal output).

Thank you for the info. But I do not quite understand the comment above.
Do you mean that there is something wrong with the SQLite library itself or with the way that MIDAS creates the SQLite 
database?

> PS some time ago, I don't remember if you or Stefan, recommended CLion as C++ IDE. I have tried it 
> (together with PyCharm) and I must admit that it is really good. It took me years to configure Emacs 
> as a IDE, while it took me minutes to have much better results in CLion. Thank you very much for 
> your recommendation.

Was probably me. I use it as my standard IDE and am quite happy with it. All the things KO likes with emacs, plus much 
more. Especially the CMake integration is nice, since you don't have to leave the IDE for editing, compiling and debugging. 
The tooltips the IDE gave me in the past months made me write code much better. So quite an opposite opinion compared 
with KO, but luckily this planet has space for all kinds of opinions. I made myself the cheat sheet attached, which lets me 
do things much faster. Maybe you can use it.

Stefan

Eventually, I have settled for the SQLite format.
I could convert the MIDAS history files .hst to SQLite
database .sqlite3 using the utility mh2sql.
It worked out nicely, thank you for the advice.

However, as Konstantine predicted I did notice some
database corruption when a couple of problematic .hst
files were read. I solved the issue by just deleting
those .hst files (I think they were empty anyway).

Now I am developing a piece of code to read the
database using the SOCI library and integrate it
into a TTree but this is not relevant for MIDAS I think.

Thank you again for the discussion.

For the record, here's my report of difficulties getting mongoose to compile with macos.  This is a similar 
problem reported before, but with slightly different error messages.  So I put them here for posterity.

Setup: 
- macos: 10.13.6
- xcode: 9.2
- gcc: Thomass-MacBook-Pro-3:build lindner$ gcc --version
Configured with: --prefix=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr --with-gxx-include-
dir=/usr/include/c++/4.2.1
Apple LLVM version 9.0.0 (clang-900.0.39.2)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin17.7.0
- midas: today's version

Start with the openssl version I had already installed.  cmake says 

-- Found OpenSSL: /usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib (found version "1.0.2s") 
-- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.0.2s

make install fails with this error:

[ 35%] Linking CXX executable mhttpd
cd /Users/lindner/packages/midas/build/progs && /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.15.0/bin/cmake -E 
cmake_link_script CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/link.txt --verbose=1
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++  -O2 -g -
DNDEBUG -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names  CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mhttpd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mongoose616.cxx.o CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mgd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/__/mscb/src/mscb.cxx.o  -o mhttpd ../libmidas.a /usr/lib/libssl.dylib 
/usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib -lz -lcurl -lsqlite3
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "_SSL_CTX_set_psk_client_callback", referenced from:
      _mg_ssl_if_conn_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)

Use macports to upgrade to newer openssl

sudo port selfupdate
sudo port upgrade outdated

Now cmake says

-- Found OpenSSL: /usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib (found version "1.1.1g") 
-- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.1.1g

Error message is different now:

cd /Users/lindner/packages/midas/build/progs && /usr/local/Cellar/cmake/3.15.0/bin/cmake -E 
cmake_link_script CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/link.txt --verbose=1
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/c++  -O2 -g -
DNDEBUG -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names  CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mhttpd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mongoose616.cxx.o CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/mgd.cxx.o 
CMakeFiles/mhttpd.dir/__/mscb/src/mscb.cxx.o  -o mhttpd ../libmidas.a /usr/lib/libssl.dylib 
/usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib -lz -lcurl -lsqlite3
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "_OPENSSL_init_ssl", referenced from:
      _mg_mgr_init_opt in mongoose616.cxx.o
      _mg_ssl_if_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
  "_SSL_CTX_set_options", referenced from:
      _mg_ssl_if_conn_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
  "_SSL_CTX_set_psk_client_callback", referenced from:
      _mg_ssl_if_conn_init in mongoose616.cxx.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64

Fine.  Doing 'cmake -D NO_SSL=1 ..' to build still works fine; I will stick with that since I don't need SSL on my 
laptop.

Perhaps we should disable SSL by default on Macos?  People may only have ~50% chance of getting it to 
work.
  

> For the record, here's my report of difficulties getting mongoose to compile with macos. 
> -- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.0.2s
> -- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.1.1g
> ... [ all of them did not work ]

For the record, I get this on mac os 10.15.4 and it works.
-- MIDAS: Found OpenSSL version 1.1.1g

I think I am quite fed up with this openssl business, too.

What I will do in MIDAS is fix the mbedtls detection, add mbedtls instructions
in the documentation and remove openssl from mhttpd build.

Result will be:
- default build will have mhttpd without https support, and this works in 100% of our use cases at TRIUMF.
- if user do not want to use apache https proxy, they have to "git clone" mbedtls, build it, rebuild mhttpd, then
they get https support, but for https certificate management - getting them, renewing them, etc, they are
on their own.

Since mhttpd has no integration with certbot, automatic management of https certificates does not work,
so good luck again.

In theory, I can try to add certbot integration, but even the most basic tools are missing, for example, openssl
does not report certificate expiration dates (I guess I must write my own code to examine the certificate
and hope my idea of expiration matches their idea). Since I do not see certificate expiration dates, every day I could
blindly run "certbot renew" and restart openssl with the updated certificate (but I think openssl does
not have a "restart" function, so again, forget about it). Adding insult to injury, by default, certbot stores certificates
in a secret location in /etc where mhttpd cannot access them.

Bottom line is that powers-that-be messed up https certificate management and until that is sorted out and is easy
to integrate with custom web servers, I can only recommend that mhttpd must run behind the "OS support https proxy".

K.O.

midas-2020-03-a is here.

Accumulated changes and bug fixes since last tag midas-2019-09-i.

After this release, expect some instability on the develop branch as I commit the update of mhttpd to mongoose web server library 
version 6.16. More on that later.

To obtain this release, either checkout the top of branch release/midas-2020-03 (recommended)
or checkout the tag midas-2020-03-a.

K.O.

> midas-2020-03-a is here.
> checkout the top of branch release/midas-2020-03 (recommended) or
> checkout the tag midas-2020-03-a.

Since the release of midas-2020-03, we are in a cycle of rapid development of midas,
with many changes made daily.

For production use, unless you rely on latest changes and/or bug fixes, please use the midas-2020-03 release branch.

Some of the recent changes broke compatibility with ROOTANA.

The current ROOTANA release 2020-03 is meant to work with and is compatible with midas-2020-03. Going forward
we will try to keep releases of midas and rootana in "lock step".

K.O.

Hello,

We are going to implement a list of sequencer files to allow users to select one 
of them. The name of this file will be transferred to 
/ODB/Sequencer/State/Filename field of ODB. 

Is it possible to get a list of Sequencer files from MIDAS? Is there a jrpc 
command for this?

Thanks.

Best,
Ruslan

If you load a file into the sequencer from the web interface, you get a list of all files in that directory. 
This basically gives you a list of possible sequencer files. It's even more powerful, since you can 
create subdirectories and thus group the sequencer files. Attached an example from our 
experiment.

Stefan

> If you load a file into the sequencer from the web interface, you get a list of all files in that directory. 
> This basically gives you a list of possible sequencer files. It's even more powerful, since you can 
> create subdirectories and thus group the sequencer files. Attached an example from our 
> experiment.
> 
> Stefan


Dear Stefan,

Thank you for the explanation.

Ruslan

> If you load a file into the sequencer from the web interface, you get a list of all files in that directory. 
> This basically gives you a list of possible sequencer files. It's even more powerful, since you can 
> create subdirectories and thus group the sequencer files. Attached an example from our 
> experiment.
> 
> Stefan

Dear Stefan,

Could you please answer one more question:

We have a custom webpage and trying to get list of files from the custom webpage and need jrpc command to show it 
in custom page. Is there a jrpc command to get this file list?

Thanks,

> 
> We have a custom webpage and trying to get list of files from the custom webpage and need jrpc command to show it 
> in custom page. Is there a jrpc command to get this file list?
> 

The rpc method used by sequencer web pages is "seq_list_files". How to use it, see resources/load_script.html.

To see list of all rpc methods implemented by your mhttpd, see "help"->"json-rpc schema, text format".

As general explanation, so far we have successfully resisted the desire to turn mhttpd into a generic NFS file
server - if we automatically give all web pages access to all files accessible to the midas user account, it is easy
to lose control of system security (i.e. bad things will happen if web pages can read the ssh private keys ~/.ssh/id_rsa and
modify ~/.ssh/authorized_keys). Generally it is impossible to come up with a whitelist or blacklist of "secrets" that
need to be "hidden" from web pages. But we did implement methods to access files from specific subdirectory trees
defined in ODB which hopefully do not contain any "secrets".

K.O.

Dear Midas and Rootana people,

We have tried to update our midas DAQ with the new TID definitions describe in https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/1871 

And we have noticed an incompatibility of this new definitions with Rootana when reading an XmlOdb in our offline analyzer. 

The problem comes from  the function FindArrayPath in XmlOdb.cxx and the comparison of bank type as strings.
Ex: comparing the strings "DWORD" and "UNINT32"

An naive solution would be to print the number associated to the type (ex: '6' for DWORD/UNINT32), but that would mean changing Rootana and Midas source code. Moreover, it does decrease the readability of the XmlOdb file. 


Thanks for your time.
Estelle

> Dear Midas and Rootana people,
> 
> We have tried to update our midas DAQ with the new TID definitions describe in https://midas.triumf.ca/elog/Midas/1871 
> 
> And we have noticed an incompatibility of this new definitions with Rootana when reading an XmlOdb in our offline analyzer. 
> 
> The problem comes from  the function FindArrayPath in XmlOdb.cxx and the comparison of bank type as strings.
> Ex: comparing the strings "DWORD" and "UNINT32"
> 
> An naive solution would be to print the number associated to the type (ex: '6' for DWORD/UNINT32), but that would mean changing Rootana and Midas source code. Moreover, it does decrease the readability of the XmlOdb file. 
> 

Hi, it is unfortunate that a change was made in MIDAS that is incompatible with existing analysis software. I shall update the ROOTANA package to deal with this ASAP.

K.O.

Hi all,

I have been experimenting with a frontend solution for my experiment 
(ALPHA). The intention to replace how we log data from PCs running LabVIEW. 

I am at the proof of concept stage. So far I have some promising 
performance, able to handle 10-100x more data in my test setup (current 
limitations now are just network bandwith, MIDAS is impressively efficient). 

==========================================================================

Our experiment has many PCs using LabVIEW which all log to MIDAS, the 
experiment has grown such that we need some sort of load balancing in our 
frontend.

The concept was to have a 'supervisor frontend' and an array of 'worker 
frontend' processes. 
-A LabVIEW client would connect to the supervisor, then be referred to a 
worker frontend for data logging. 
-The supervisor could start a 'worker frontend' process as the demand 
required.

To increase accountability within the experiment, I intend to have a 'worker 
frontend' per PC connecting. Then any rouge behavior would be clear from the 
MIDAS frontpage.

Presently there around 20-30 of these LabVIEW PCs, but given how the group 
is growing, I want to be sure that my data logging solution will be viable 
for the next 5-10 years. With the increased use of single board computers, I 
chose the target of benchmarking upto 1000 worker frontends... but I quickly 
hit the '64 MAX CLIENTS' and '64 RPC CONNECTION' limit. Ok...

branching and updating these limits:
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/branch/experimental-beyond_64_clients

I have two commits. 
1. update the memory layout assertions and use MAX_CLIENTS as a variable
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/302ce33c77860825730ce48849cb810cf
366df96?at=experimental-beyond_64_clients
2. Change the MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION
https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/f15642eea16102636b4a15c8411330969
6ce3df1?at=experimental-beyond_64_clients

Unintended side effects:
I break compatibility of existing ODB files... the database layout has 
changed and I read my old ODB as corrupt. In my test setup I can start from 
scratch but this would be horrible for any existing experiment.

Edit: I noticed 'make testdiff' pipeline is failing... also fails locally... 
investigating

Early performance results:
In early tests, ~700 PCs logging 10 unique arrays of 10 doubles into 
Equipment variables in the ODB seems to perform well... All transactions 
from client PCs are finished within a couple of ms or less

==========================================================================

Questions:

Does the community here have strong opinions about increasing the 
MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION limits? 
Am I looking at this problem in a naive way?


Potential solutions other than increasing the MAX_CLIENTS limit:
-Make worker threads inside the supervisor (not a separate process), I am 
using TMFE, so I can dynamically create equipment. I have not yet taken a 
deep dive into how any multithreading is implemented
-One could have a round robin system to load balance between a limited pool 
of 'worker frontend' proccesses. I don't like this solution as I want to 
able to clearly see which client PCs have been setup to log too much data

==========================================================================

Hi Joseph,

here some thoughts from my side:

- Breaking ODB compatibility in the master/develop midas branch is very bad, since almost all experiments worldwide are affected if they just do blindly a pull and want to recompile and rerun. Currently, 
even during our Corona crisis, still some experiments are running and monitored remotely.

- On the other hand, if we have to break compatibility, now is maybe a good time since most accelerators worldwide are off. But before doing so, I would like to get feedback from the main experiments 
around the world (MEG, T2K, g-2, DEAP besides ALPHA).

- Having a maximum of 64 clients was originally decided when memory was scarce. In the early days one had just a couple of megabytes of share memory. Now this is not an issue any more, but I see 
another problem. The main status page gives a nice overview of the experiment. This only works because there is a limited number of midas clients and equipments. If we blow up to 1000+, the status 
page would be rather long and we have to scroll up and down forever. In such a scenario one would have at least to redesign the status and program pages. To start your experiment, you would have to 
click 1000 times to start each front-end, also not very practicable.

- Having 100's or 1000's of front-ends calls rather for a hierarchical design, like the LHC experiments have. That would be a major change of midas and cannot be done quickly. It would also result in 
much slower run start/stops.

- If you see limitations with your LabVIEW PCs, have you considered multi-threading on your front-ends? Note that the standard midas slow control system supports multithreaded devices 
(DF_MULTITHREAD). In MEG, we use about 800 microcontrollers via the MSCB protocol. They are grouped together and each group is a multithreaded device in the midas slow control lingo, meaning the 
group gets its own thread for control and readout in the midas frontend. This way, one group cannot slow down all other groups. There is one front-end for all groups, which can be started/stopped with 
a single click, it shows up just as one line in the status page, and still it's pretty fast. Have you considered such a scheme? So your LabVIEW PCs would not be individual front-ends, but just make a 
network connection to the midas front-end which then manages all LabVEIW PCs. The midas slow control system allows to define custom commands (besides the usual read/write command for slow 
control data), so you could maybe integrate all you need into that scheme.

Best,
Stefan

> 
> Hi all,
> I have been experimenting with a frontend solution for my experiment 
> (ALPHA). The intention to replace how we log data from PCs running LabVIEW. 
> I am at the proof of concept stage. So far I have some promising 
> performance, able to handle 10-100x more data in my test setup (current 
> limitations now are just network bandwith, MIDAS is impressively efficient). 
> ==========================================================================
> Our experiment has many PCs using LabVIEW which all log to MIDAS, the 
> experiment has grown such that we need some sort of load balancing in our 
> frontend.
> The concept was to have a 'supervisor frontend' and an array of 'worker 
> frontend' processes. 
> -A LabVIEW client would connect to the supervisor, then be referred to a 
> worker frontend for data logging. 
> -The supervisor could start a 'worker frontend' process as the demand 
> required.
> To increase accountability within the experiment, I intend to have a 'worker 
> frontend' per PC connecting. Then any rouge behavior would be clear from the 
> MIDAS frontpage.
> Presently there around 20-30 of these LabVIEW PCs, but given how the group 
> is growing, I want to be sure that my data logging solution will be viable 
> for the next 5-10 years. With the increased use of single board computers, I 
> chose the target of benchmarking upto 1000 worker frontends... but I quickly 
> hit the '64 MAX CLIENTS' and '64 RPC CONNECTION' limit. Ok...
> branching and updating these limits:
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/branch/experimental-beyond_64_clients
> I have two commits. 
> 1. update the memory layout assertions and use MAX_CLIENTS as a variable
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/302ce33c77860825730ce48849cb810cf
> 366df96?at=experimental-beyond_64_clients
> 2. Change the MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION
> https://bitbucket.org/tmidas/midas/commits/f15642eea16102636b4a15c8411330969
> 6ce3df1?at=experimental-beyond_64_clients
> Unintended side effects:
> I break compatibility of existing ODB files... the database layout has 
> changed and I read my old ODB as corrupt. In my test setup I can start from 
> scratch but this would be horrible for any existing experiment.
> Edit: I noticed 'make testdiff' is failing... also fails lok
> Early performance results:
> In early tests, ~700 PCs logging 10 unique arrays of 10 doubles into 
> Equipment variables in the ODB seems to perform well... All transactions 
> from client PCs are finished within a couple of ms or less
> ==========================================================================
> Questions:
> Does the community here have strong opinions about increasing the 
> MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION limits? 
> Am I looking at this problem in a naive way?
> 
> Potential solutions other than increasing the MAX_CLIENTS limit:
> -Make worker threads inside the supervisor (not a separate process), I am 
> using TMFE, so I can dynamically create equipment. I have not yet taken a 
> deep dive into how any multithreading is implemented
> -One could have a round robin system to load balance between a limited pool 
> of 'worker frontend' proccesses. I don't like this solution as I want to 
> able to clearly see which client PCs have been setup to log too much data
> ==========================================================================

> - On the other hand, if we have to break compatibility, now is maybe a good time since most accelerators worldwide are off. But before doing so, I would like to get feedback from the main experiments 
> around the world (MEG, T2K, g-2, DEAP besides ALPHA).

Hello Stefan,
For what is worth, DEAP will not be impacted: as we have been taking data around the clock for the last few years, we froze the code running on the computers. We may have some window of opportunity for upgrade in few months but such a move has not been discussed yet.

Best regards,
Pierre

TRIUMF stayed quiet, probably they have other things to do.

I allowed myself to move the maximum number of clients back to its original value, in order not to break running experiments. 
This does not mean that the increase is a bad idea, we just have to be careful not to break running experiments. Let's discuss it
more thoroughly here before we make a decision in that direction.

Best regards,
Stefan

Thank you very much for feedback.

I am satisfied with not changing the 64 client limit. I will look at re-writing my frontend to spawn threads rather than 
processses. The load of my frontend is low, so I do not anticipate issues with a threaded implementation. 

In this threaded scenario, it will be a reasonable amount of time until ALPHA bumps into the 64 client limit.

If it avoids confusion, I am happy for my experimental branch 'experimental-beyond_64_clients' to be deleted.

Perhaps a item for future discussion would be for the odbinit program to be able to 'upgrade' the ODB and enable some backwards 
compatibility.

Thanks again
Joseph

> Perhaps a item for future discussion would be for the odbinit program to be able to 'upgrade' the ODB and enable some backwards 
> compatibility.

We had this discussion already a few times. There is an ODB version number (DATABSE_VERSION 3 in midas.h) which is intended for that. If we break teh 
binary compatibility, programs should complain "ODB version has changed, please run ...", then odbinit (written by KO) should have a well-defined 
procedure to upgrade existing ODBs by re-creating them, but keeping all old contents. This should be tested on a few systems.

Stefan

> 
> Does the community here have strong opinions about increasing the 
> MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION limits? 
> Am I looking at this problem in a naive way?
> 

I think MAX_CLIENTS set at 64 is on the low side for today.

And in the past, we did have experiments that did not work without increasing MAX_CLIENTS. I 
think T2K/ND280 needed MAX_CLIENTS bumped to about 100 (200?).

If ALPHA needs MAX_CLIENTS bigger than the default 64, nothing stops the experiment
from changing this number in the local copy of MIDAS.

It is not necessary to change it in the central repository for everybody.

K.O.

> > 
> > Does the community here have strong opinions about increasing the 
> > MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION limits? 
> > Am I looking at this problem in a naive way?
> > 

The issue is binary compatibility.

MIDAS has been binary compatible with itself for a long time, 20 years now, easily.

If we are to give this up, we must gain more than we lose.

On the technical level, bumping MAX_CLIENTS from 64 to 100 gives us nothing, Tomorrow an experiment
will come along asking for 101 clients. Any number you pick, it is too small for somebody. And MIDAS
already has a solution for this: edit midas.h, hit make, done.

If we are to break binary compatibility, we should go big. Remove these limits completely!

Move the MAX_CLIENTS & co fixed size arrays out of the headers in ODB and in event buffers, put
them where they can be resized as needed.

That's a binary-compatibility breaking solution I would vote for.

K.O.

> > > 
> > > Does the community here have strong opinions about increasing the 
> > > MAX_CLIENTS and MAX_RPC_CONNECTION limits? 
> > > Am I looking at this problem in a naive way?
> > > 

The issue is: how to organize an experiment? how many frontends should I have?

There are two extremes:

- collect all data in 1 frontend (and today with c++ threads and c++ ring buffers, this is trivial)
- instantiate 1 frontend for each data source. (for example, ALPHA-g detector has 8 ADCs, 64 PWBs plus some
small fish. No that's wrong. Each ADC looks like 48 individual data sources, each PWB looks like 4 data sources,
so this would be 8*48+4*64=640 data sources, could be 640 frontends easily, plus small fish).

Which way is best? Every experiment is different, but consider simple things:

640 frontends writing into 1 event buffer will probably cause large contention for the event buffer lock. bad.
640 frontends running on a 4 core CPU will probably cause unhappiness in the OS. bad.
starting and stopping 640 frontends requires some scripting, monitoring that they all still run, etc. extra work. bad.
640 frontends on the midas status page? your cell phone web browser will explode. bad.

What I am saying is - arbitrary limits are good for you. Make you think about what is going on before throwing 
resources at the problem.

K.O.

Dear all,
       I'm trying to compile MIDAS on MacOS 10.10 and I get this error:

/Users/francesco/MIDAS/midas/src/system.cxx:3187:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 
'CLOCK_REALTIME'
   clock_settime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ltm);

Is it related to my (old) version of MacOS? Can I fix it somehow?

Thank you,
      Francesco

> Dear all,
>        I'm trying to compile MIDAS on MacOS 10.10 and I get this error:
> 
> /Users/francesco/MIDAS/midas/src/system.cxx:3187:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 
> 'CLOCK_REALTIME'
>    clock_settime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ltm);
> 
> Is it related to my (old) version of MacOS? Can I fix it somehow?
> 
> Thank you,
>       Francesco

If I see this correctly, you need at least MacOSX 10.12. If you can't upgrade, you can just remove line 3187 
from system.cxx. This function is only used in an online environment, where you would run a frontend on your 
Mac, which you probably don't do. So removing it does not hurt you.

Stefan

> > /Users/francesco/MIDAS/midas/src/system.cxx:3187:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 
> > 'CLOCK_REALTIME'
> >    clock_settime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ltm);
> > 
> > Is it related to my (old) version of MacOS? Can I fix it somehow?

I think the "set clock" function is a holdover from embedded operating systems
that did not keep track of clock time, i.e. VxWorks, and similar. Here a midas program
will get the time from the mserver and set it on the local system. Poor man's ntp,
poor man's ntpd/chronyd.

We should check if this function is called by anything, and if nothing calls it, maybe remove it?

K.O.

> > > /Users/francesco/MIDAS/midas/src/system.cxx:3187:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 
> > > 'CLOCK_REALTIME'
> > >    clock_settime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ltm);
> > > 
> > > Is it related to my (old) version of MacOS? Can I fix it somehow?
> 
> I think the "set clock" function is a holdover from embedded operating systems
> that did not keep track of clock time, i.e. VxWorks, and similar. Here a midas program
> will get the time from the mserver and set it on the local system. Poor man's ntp,
> poor man's ntpd/chronyd.
> 
> We should check if this function is called by anything, and if nothing calls it, maybe remove it?
> 
> K.O.

It's called in mfe.cxx via cm_synchronize:

/* set time from server */
#ifdef OS_VXWORKS
   cm_synchronize(NULL);
#endif

This was for old VxWorks systems which had no ntp/crond. Was asked for by Pierre long time ago. I don't use it 
(have no VxWorks). We can either remove it completely, or remove just the MacOSX part and just exit the program 
if called with an error message "not implemented on this OS".

Stefan

Dear MIDAS developers and colleagues,

    This is Yu CHEN of School of Physics, Sun Yat-sen University, China, working in the PandaX-III collaboration, an experiment under development to search the neutrinoless double 
beta decay. We are working on the DAQ and slow control systems and would like to use Midas framework to communicate with the custom hardware systems, generally via Ethernet 
interfaces. So currently we are focusing on the development of the FRONTEND program of Midas and have some questions and discussions on its ODB structure. Since I’m still not 
experienced in the framework, it would be precious that you can provide some suggestions on the topic.
    The current structure of the frontend ODB tree we have designed, together with our understanding on them, is as follows:
      /Equipment/<frontend_name>/
        ->  /Common/: Basic controls and left unchanged.
        ->  /Variables/: (ODB records with MODE_READ) Monitored values that are AUTOMATICALLY updated from the bank data within each packed event. It is done by the update_odb() 
function in mfe.cxx.
        ->  /Statistics/: (ODB records with MODE_WRITE) Default status values that are AUTOMATICALLY updated by the calling of db_send_changed_records() within the mfe.cxx.
        ->  /Settings/: All the user defined data can be located here. 
            -> /stat/: (ODB records with MODE_WRITE) All the monitored values as well as program internal status. The update operation is done simultaneously when 
db_send_changed_records() is called within the mfe.cxx.
            -> /set/: (ODB records with MODE_READ) All the “Control” data used to configure the custom program and custom hardware.

    For our application, some of the our detector equipment outputs small amount of status and monitored data together with the event data, so we currently choose not to use EQ_SLOW 
and 3-layer drivers for the readout. Our solution is to create two ODB sub-trees in the /Settings/ similar to what the device_driver does. However, this could introduce two 
troubles:
    1) For /Settings/stat/: To prevent the potential destroy on the hot-links of /Variables/ and /Statistics/ sub-trees, all our status and monitored data are stored separately in 
the /Settings/stat/ sub-tree. Another consideration is that some monitored data are not directly from the raw data, so packaging them into the Bank for later showing in /Variables/ 
could somehow lead to a complicated readout() function. However, this solution may be complicated for history loggings. I have find that the ANALYZER modules could provide some 
processes for writing to the /Variables/ sub-tree, so I would like to know whether an analyzer should be used in this case.
    2) For /Settings/set/: The “control” data (similar to the “demand” data in the EQ_SLOW equipment) are currently put in several /Settings/set/ sub-trees where each key in 
them is hot-linked to a pre-defined hardware configuration function. However, some control operations are not related to a certain ODB key or related to several ODB keys (e.g. 
configuration the Ethernet sockets), so the dispatcher function should be assigned to the whole sub-tree, which I think can slow the response speed of the software. What we are 
currently using is to setup a dedicated “control key”, and then the input of different value means different operations (e.g. 1 means socket opening, 2 means sending the UDP 
packets to the target hardware, et al.). This “control key” is also used to develop the buttons to be shown on the Status/Custom webpage. However, we would like to have your 
suggestions or better solutions on that, considering the stability and fast response of the control.

    We are not sure whether the above understanding and troubles on the Midas framework are correct or they are just due to our limits on the knowledge of the framework, so we 
really appreciate your knowledge and help for a better using on Midas. Thank you so much!

Dear Yu Chen,

in my opinion, you can follow two strategies:

1) Follow the EQ_SLOW example from the distribution, and write some device driver for you hardware to control. There are dozens of experiments worldwide which use that scheme and it works ok for lots of 
different devices. By doing that, you get automatically things like write cache (only write a value to the actual device if it really has chande) and dead band (only write measured data to the ODB if it changes more 
than a certain value to suppress noise). Furthermore, you get events created automatically and history for all your measured variables. This scheme might look complicated on the first look, and it's quite old-
fashioned (no C++ yet) but it has proven stable over the last ~20 years or so. Maybe the biggest advantage of this system is that each device gets its own readout and control thread, so one slow device cannot 
block other devices. Once this has been introduced more than 10 years ago, we saw a big improvement in all experiments.

2) Do everything by yourself. This is the way you describe below. Of course you are free to do whatever you like, you will find "special" solutions for all your problems. But then you move away from the "standard 
scheme" and you loose all the benefits I described under 1) and of course you are on your own. If something does not work, it will be in your code and nobody from the community can help you.

So choose carefully between 1) and 2).

Best regards,
Stefan

> Dear MIDAS developers and colleagues,
> 
>     This is Yu CHEN of School of Physics, Sun Yat-sen University, China, working in the PandaX-III collaboration, an experiment under development to search the neutrinoless double 
> beta decay. We are working on the DAQ and slow control systems and would like to use Midas framework to communicate with the custom hardware systems, generally via Ethernet 
> interfaces. So currently we are focusing on the development of the FRONTEND program of Midas and have some questions and discussions on its ODB structure. Since I’m still not 
> experienced in the framework, it would be precious that you can provide some suggestions on the topic.
>     The current structure of the frontend ODB tree we have designed, together with our understanding on them, is as follows:
>       /Equipment/<frontend_name>/
>         ->  /Common/: Basic controls and left unchanged.
>         ->  /Variables/: (ODB records with MODE_READ) Monitored values that are AUTOMATICALLY updated from the bank data within each packed event. It is done by the update_odb() 
> function in mfe.cxx.
>         ->  /Statistics/: (ODB records with MODE_WRITE) Default status values that are AUTOMATICALLY updated by the calling of db_send_changed_records() within the mfe.cxx.
>         ->  /Settings/: All the user defined data can be located here. 
>             -> /stat/: (ODB records with MODE_WRITE) All the monitored values as well as program internal status. The update operation is done simultaneously when 
> db_send_changed_records() is called within the mfe.cxx.
>             -> /set/: (ODB records with MODE_READ) All the “Control” data used to configure the custom program and custom hardware.
> 
>     For our application, some of the our detector equipment outputs small amount of status and monitored data together with the event data, so we currently choose not to use EQ_SLOW 
> and 3-layer drivers for the readout. Our solution is to create two ODB sub-trees in the /Settings/ similar to what the device_driver does. However, this could introduce two 
> troubles:
>     1) For /Settings/stat/: To prevent the potential destroy on the hot-links of /Variables/ and /Statistics/ sub-trees, all our status and monitored data are stored separately in 
> the /Settings/stat/ sub-tree. Another consideration is that some monitored data are not directly from the raw data, so packaging them into the Bank for later showing in /Variables/ 
> could somehow lead to a complicated readout() function. However, this solution may be complicated for history loggings. I have find that the ANALYZER modules could provide some 
> processes for writing to the /Variables/ sub-tree, so I would like to know whether an analyzer should be used in this case.
>     2) For /Settings/set/: The “control” data (similar to the “demand” data in the EQ_SLOW equipment) are currently put in several /Settings/set/ sub-trees where each key in 
> them is hot-linked to a pre-defined hardware configuration function. However, some control operations are not related to a certain ODB key or related to several ODB keys (e.g. 
> configuration the Ethernet sockets), so the dispatcher function should be assigned to the whole sub-tree, which I think can slow the response speed of the software. What we are 
> currently using is to setup a dedicated “control key”, and then the input of different value means different operations (e.g. 1 means socket opening, 2 means sending the UDP 
> packets to the target hardware, et al.). This “control key” is also used to develop the buttons to be shown on the Status/Custom webpage. However, we would like to have your 
> suggestions or better solutions on that, considering the stability and fast response of the control.
> 
>     We are not sure whether the above understanding and troubles on the Midas framework are correct or they are just due to our limits on the knowledge of the framework, so we 
> really appreciate your knowledge and help for a better using on Midas. Thank you so much!

I received my new 2020 mac book air, so between Stefan and myself, MacOS support for 
MIDAS is assured for 5 more years at the least. K.O.